# Any bets on what Rachel Dolezal is going to say tomorrow in addressing charges against her? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 14, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516 "2015-06-14T16:21:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/21 "2015-06-14T22:30:09Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I know it’s not what the OP meant, but I find it amusing to think she’s being charged with something legally, like 1st Degree Crackerness, or Felonious Honkytude Negritude Under False Pretenses. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/22 "2015-06-14T23:32:29Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It’s no skin off my nose if she wants to claim to be black. I really don’t care. That’s between her, her employer, and her co-workers. There’s a certain community of people whom she has claimed to represent, some members of which may want to take issue with her actions as well… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/23 "2015-06-14T23:38:36Z")
> [@ratatoskK](#): > > Her parents seem to have a vendetta against her Her real parents or her imaginary stepparents? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/24 "2015-06-14T23:44:28Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I know it’s not what the OP meant, but I find it amusing to think she’s being charged with something legally, like 1st Degree Crackerness, or Felonious Honkytude Local authorities are facing difficulties. They know that if they arrest Dolezal on some flimsy made-up charge, it’s going to strengthen her claim to being black. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/25 "2015-06-14T23:48:04Z")
I don’t think she’s irrational and lacking in self-awareness. I think she’s the complete opposite, actually. It would be difficult to deceive thousands of people (many of them black) into thinking you’re another race for so many years without being smart and politically savvy. It is only in hindsight that we see the outlandishness of her lies. Probably lots of people have long suspected parts of her history were exaggerated, but they still doesn’t question her race. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/26 "2015-06-14T23:48:11Z")
I’ve been looking for reactions from black community members with interest. So far I’ve only seen tweets and such, all negative. Are there any black people who have supported her? ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/27 "2015-06-14T23:56:18Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > I’ve been looking for reactions from black community members with interest. So far I’ve only seen tweets and such, all negative. Are there any black people who have supported her? I was visiting with family this weekend. One of my sisters (not **you with the face** ) immediately rushed to her defense. Don’t know if she was just doing that to be contrary or what. And I don’t know if the newer information has changed her mind. Honestly, if it weren’t for her lying about the hate crimes, all of this would just be hilarious to me. But the nature of the lies she’s told has been hurtful. Black folk don’t need anyone looking at them sideways if they report being a victim of a hate crime. She’s made it that much easier for people to not take such claims seriously. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/28 "2015-06-14T23:58:30Z")
A few celebrities like[Kerri Hilson](http://www.people.com/article/keri-hilson-tweets-support-Rachel-Dolezal) have defended her. But the vast majority of online black chatter about her has been critical and derisive. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/29 "2015-06-15T00:03:51Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > Honestly, if it weren’t for her lying about the hate crimes, all of this would just be hilarious to me. But the nature of the lies she’s told has been hurtful. Black folk don’t need anyone looking at them sideways if they report being a victim of a hate crime. She’s made it that much easier for people to not take such claims seriously. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/30 "2015-06-15T00:15:14Z")
I just read that the meeting has been cancelled. > **[Rachel Dolezal's NAACP Statement Canceled](https://www.ibtimes.com/rachel-dolezal-no-longer-speaking-monday-naacp-meeting-canceled-1966107)** > > Rachel Dolezal, the Spokane, Washington, NAACP leader at the center of a racial identity controversy, will not speak Monday as planned. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/31 "2015-06-15T01:02:50Z")
> [@ratatoskK](#): > > 1. Her parents seem to have a vendetta against her [Maybe](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123571/Did-Rachel-Dolezal-s-parents-white-supporting-brother-s-accuser-Family-rift-deepened-claims-sexual-assault-against-NAACP-leader-s-brother.html)there’s something to this. > [@](#): > > The sensitive matter at the center of the Rachel Dolezal family schism concerns a felony case involving charges of sex assault against Dolezal’s older brother, the Daily News has learned. > > The white Dolezal, who has made international headlines for masquerading as a black woman, has been assisting a victim who has accused Dolezal’s biological older brother of child molestation in Colorado, sources confirmed to The News Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/32 "2015-06-15T01:11:25Z")
My advice is to turn this around and ask, “Do you have to be Black to be a leader in the NAACP?” Make them look racist. Or claim she was born in South Africa or Egypt to white parents so technically she is an African-American. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/33 "2015-06-15T01:15:44Z")
So, you want her to keep digging a deeper hole for herself? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/34 "2015-06-15T01:17:09Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > My advice is to turn this around and ask, “Do you have to be Black to be a leader in the NAACP?” Make them look racist. The NAACP chapter in question has said already they have no problem with her. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/35 "2015-06-15T02:06:47Z")
The problem is _not_ that she is a white woman in a leadership position in a local NAACP chapter but that she lied about her race. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/36 "2015-06-15T03:32:05Z")
> [@Omega\_Glory](#): > > [Maybe](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123571/Did-Rachel-Dolezal-s-parents-white-supporting-brother-s-accuser-Family-rift-deepened-claims-sexual-assault-against-NAACP-leader-s-brother.html)there’s something to this. I was wondering about the youngest sister, Esther. It appears that there is a young lady by that name in Spokane. I don’t know anything about the biological brother, but it seems that at least one adopted child is wholly on Rachel’s side in the family conflict, two are apparently on the family’s side, and the young girl is …unknown. Izaiah left the adopted parents at least in part due to physical punishment, according to [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/). ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/37 "2015-06-15T05:49:37Z")
> [@Pai325](#): > > I just read that the meeting has been cancelled. > > [Rachel Dolezal No Longer Speaking Monday, NAACP Meeting Canceled | IBTimes](http://www.ibtimes.com/rachel-dolezal-no-longer-speaking-monday-naacp-meeting-canceled-1966107) [Another article noting that she has canceled the meeting.](http://news.yahoo.com/spokane-naacp-meeting-postponed-because-ongoing-talks-200916770.html) Others in the group are questioning whether she has the authority to cancel the (regularly scheduled?) meeting, seemingly implying that it _might_ take place anyway without her. Others are talking of boycotting the meeting (if it happens), or of protesting outside the meeting place. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/38 "2015-06-15T16:01:35Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The problem is _not_ that she is a white woman in a leadership position in a local NAACP chapter but that she lied about her race. I don’t see that as a problem, necessarily. Race is a social construct, and if she wants to be black and is accepted by people as black, then so be it. I still think she has, as **monstro** said in the other thread, some serious “coping” mechanism problems, but that’s between her and her therapist. Also, if she lied about the hate mail/hate crime stuff, that’s a serious offense both legally and ethically. Ethically, because she then makes it harder for people with real complaints to get traction. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/39 "2015-06-15T16:14:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t see that as a problem, necessarily. Race is a social construct, and if she wants to be black and is accepted by people as black, then so be it. I still think she has, as **monstro** said in the other thread, some serious “coping” mechanism problems, but that’s between her and her therapist. The thing is, she seems to rely on spray tanning to make it look plausable (sorta, kinda) that she’s African-American. That suggests a certain level of fakery, which fits in with her apparent tendency to invent stories about herself. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516/40 "2015-06-15T16:17:11Z")
It was just announced that Dolezal is stepping down as head of the Spokane NAACP chapter: > **[Rachel Dolezal steps down as Spokane NAACP president](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rachel-dolezal-steps-down-as-spokane-naacp-president/)** > > Embattled chapter president, accused of being white by her family, says "a separation of family and organizational outcomes" is necessary [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-bets-on-what-rachel-dolezal-is-going-to-say-tomorrow-in-addressing-charges-against-her/722516.md?page=3)