Any chance they can get the grounded Italian ship back upright?

It was an order.

Dangerous, yes - but it was absolutely part of his duty as Captain.

How he imagined he could leave the ship early and avoid being roasted alive in public and official opinion is beyond me - I’d have said that would be obvious to anyone qualified to command a rowboat.

That’s the first article I’ve seen that discuses the recovery of the ship. I imagine that phase will start soon. I know pumping out the oil is a big priority first. They are worried about oil spills.

Sadly they still have at least 20 more victims to recover. They have to be on that ship somewhere. That’s a huge space to search and under difficult conditions.

There was a second captain on board this ship. Captain Roberto Bosio was a passenger and in his cabin when the ship crashed. He apparently coordinated much of the rescue effort that night.

Not really.

They could have fallen or jumped into the sea during the evacuation & been swept away. They could have drowned on board & their bodies have since drifted away due to the current / tides / waves. If they are still aboard it’s a little soon yet for all their remains to have been eaten by scavengers, but that’ll start happening quickly after death.

In the aviation accident investigation business we call it “Purina crab chow.” I don’t know what impolite term the Italian Coast Guard might use away from the press. But I’d bet a tall pile of lira they have one.

Yes, the mising people’s remains may be aboard & more or less intact right now. But it’s far from a sure thing.

A lot if stories are cropping up about what this is going to cost, thecompany and the industry as a whole.

According to this cite, the best case is $130 million dollars, if the ship can be salvaged. The article also notes a loss of revenue of $85-90 million dollars during the time the ship is out of service. I am not certain that the latter figure is included in to first or not. They story says the ship cost $650 million to build, so spending $130 mil to rebuild it doesn’t seem out of line.

Carnival faces the full $650 mil loss if it can’t be salvaged. Apparently, while they have liability and some damage insurance, it isn’t insured against total loss.

Carnival Cruise stock is down 15% since the crash. Don’t know what that totals up to.

This article claims that a sampling of travel agents has indicated that about 3% of cruises booked this season have already been canceled since the accident. That’s a pretty shaky number, no details as to how many agents were questioned or much of anything else. They claim 27 billion euros annually are spent on cruises.

Here’s another story with more detail about the insurance coverage. Claims estimates are running between 500 million to 1 billion dollars. Because of deductibles, the company is on the hook for at least 40 million.

This last link contradicts the first. According to it, after a $30 million deductible paid by Carnival, the cost for the loss of the ship, called “hull insurance”, will be picked up by a consortium of insurers. From its name, I have to wonder if this insurance covers everything including the accommodations and amenities, or just the keel and engines and maybe the general physical plant that powers it all.

As far as liability, Carnival has a $70 million dollars in policies, with a $10 million deductible. That may go pretty fast . With 4,200 passengers and crew, that works out to less than $15,000 each.

This is my first attempt at doing a link but here goes. http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-cruise-ship-disaster-simulation-20120117,0,7749443.premiumvideo

If I have done that right there is an explanation at the end of how the ship may have tipped opposite what people think it should have.

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And now the latest innuendo: there was a 25-year-old Moldovan cutie, a Costa employee, who was not on the passenger list, who was allegedly seen dining with Schettino in the evening and was allegedly on the bridge at the time the accident happened. She has also been quoted in the press defending Schettino.

I’ve been on 4 cruises…one Disney, 3 Carnival…and it was first come first served on where people stood for the drill. Women and children did not stand in front.

So where were the rest of the ship’s officers? Neither Schettino nor Bosio could handle the entire evacuation themselves. Did no one else with stripes on their sleeves accept any responsibility either? There’s a rush to put *all *the blame on Schettino, not just the bulk of it, but maybe the focus should be a little wider.

According to several stories, the three most senior officers including the captain were all in the same lifeboat.

I’ve been on several different cruise lines, and the muster drill was a little different on each line.

There should have been at least 1 Captian, and 3 Mates. But I would thinkl it would have been 1 Seinor CAptian, Staff Captian, and up to 8 mates. That would be the officers of the Deck department. I would guess the engineering department would have had a Chief Engineer, and up to maybe 7 other enginering officers. Add to that all the unlicienced crew members.

The Captian should be working with lhis staff to keep track of which life boats haved been lanched. Troubles that come up and work with the ship’s crew to solve the problems. He should be in contact with rescue personel and giving them instructions on how they can help.

Snnipe: why do you spell “captain” as “captian”?

You know I do not know why but I keep doing it, and have for years. May be I should write it 100 times, then maybe the correct way will finally stick?

Or put it into the auto-correct dictionary of your word processor.

On the tape, you can hear DeFalco’s shocked disbelief when after all the crap he’s been hearing from Schettino, Schettino accidentally lets slip that other officers are in the lifeboat with him.

They sure had a lot of people who were prone to tripping.

Behaviour is catching. If you look around and everyone else has their stiff upper lip on and is steadily getting on with their jobs, you’re quite likely to do the same.
If they are uncertain, running round like headless chickens, cowering in corners or just running like they stole something, you are also quite likely to do the same.

If the media reports are in any way accurate, Schettino doesn’t come across as an example of the confident, unflappable leader.

There seem now to be a number of reports that the ship’s current position is precarious and it could slide into deeper water, which would enormously complicate things like searching for bodies, removing the fuel and salvaging the ship.

It would seem to make sense to try to secure the ship against this - say, by hauling an anchor ashore and perhaps running another serious cable from aft (around a propeller shaft?) to shore.

Any evidence this sort of thing is being done, or considered?