# Any double standards you stand behind? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 22, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598 "2011-01-22T20:49:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/41 "2011-01-25T19:19:24Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > Let’s start another one. > > No women on the front lines of combat. > > Female soldiers as a rule do not have the physical strength of male soldiers. > Male soldiers start trying to protect the females and the team cohesion breaks down. > > When captured, females can be raped. > [@Otara](#): > > "When captured, females can be raped. > > Lawrence of Arabia has news for you. And males can be castrated too, which women obviously can’t. I recall one of the female victims of the Serbian rape camps talking about how she heard the screams of the men as they were castrated and felt that they were worse off than she was. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/42 "2011-01-25T19:33:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And males can be castrated too, which women obviously can’t. I recall one of the female victims of the Serbian rape camps talking about how she heard the screams of the men as they were castrated and felt that they were worse off than she was. Cite? Also, have you never heard of [female genital mutilation](Female genital cutting)? It can be done to women as well as girls, you know, and is surely agonizing. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/43 "2011-01-25T21:01:11Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Your 14-year-old son and his gay teacher? I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/44 "2011-01-25T21:11:31Z")
> [@Filbert](#): > > I personally doubt I’d be very happy if I found my 14-year-old hypothetical son was banging a teacher, but I don’t really think the male/female student divide is such a double standard either. > At least, not until someone figures out a way for a male student to get pregnant. I’d expect a female teacher to at least have some clue about how to avoid getting knocked up by one of her students, and less likely to insist on trying to make the teenage boy paying child support if she does. > A 15-year-old girl is less likely to be taking sensible precautions- yes, the male teacher could well insist on the use of contraception, but as they’re hardly displaying immaculate judgement. I wouldn’t count on it. > > The act is not equivalent, as the potential consequences for the most vulnerable partner are different. > > By the way, I know it has been pointed out, but on the profiling of grannies and little kids, I know damn well my grandfather used to smuggle cigars back from holiday in my mum’s bag when she was tiny, knowing full well that her bag was much less likely to be searched. She found them in there once. It really would not be a big step for someone willing to blow themselves up to set up a toddler-bomb, and stopping doing any searches on kids is more likely to make it happen. The thing is a female student’s pregnancy is completely under her and probably her parents control. She can have an abortion, have the baby and keep or adopt out (because let’s face it the father isn’t likely to contest the adoption in those situations). With a teenage boy the options decrease. If the female teacher having sex with her male student gets pregnant and keeps the child, she has 18 years to potentially file for child support and otherwise screw up the student’s life. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/45 "2011-01-25T21:25:47Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > The thing is a female student’s pregnancy is completely under her and probably her parents control. She can have an abortion, have the baby and keep or adopt out (because let’s face it the father isn’t likely to contest the adoption in those situations). With a teenage boy the options decrease. If the female teacher having sex with her male student gets pregnant and keeps the child, she has 18 years to potentially file for child support and otherwise screw up the student’s life. Cite? Not being snarky, I really want to know Has a rapist, because that’s what she’s be under the law, ever successfully sued to get child support from her former victim who was underage but has turned 18? ---
**Author:** ![purplehorseshoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/purplehorseshoe/32/2996_2.png) [@purplehorseshoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehorseshoe)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/46 "2011-01-25T21:51:22Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > …There are plenty of guys with whore-madonna complexes… > > I think this mindset is falling out of favor definitely, but it’s still there. I almost dated a textbook case of one. And there’s nothing defensible about it. Slightly late to the party but … you almost dated my ex? If so, you dodged one helluva bullet, my friend. Also, I am against students shaking hands with their teachers. ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/47 "2011-01-26T03:36:05Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Teenage boys screwing their female teachers is an fairly common fantasy, but very very rare generally. It is very rare in terms of it happening to any particular student, but not really rare as people think. Ever read [Fark.com](http://Fark.com)? They link to a male-student-female-teacher/mom relationship at least once a week. They even have the [student/teacher matrix](http://www.hippotoaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/2000415588023241637_rs.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/48 "2011-01-26T11:07:29Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I guess **Shakes** at least does feel that way or he wouldn’t have called his opinion a double standard, but so far he hasn’t explained why he thinks male and female teachers should be held to different standards when it comes to sex with underage students. Or, looking back at the OP, is the double standard that it’s only okay for teachers to have sex with their underage students when the teacher is hot, but when the teacher is ugly it should still be a crime? Or that it’s OK for teenaged boys to have sex with hot people in their 20s, but only when the nominal adult is the boy’s teacher? ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/49 "2011-01-26T14:17:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And males can be castrated too, which women obviously can’t. I recall one of the female victims of the Serbian rape camps talking about how she heard the screams of the men as they were castrated and felt that they were worse off than she was. Women could have a clitoldectedemy ( sp?) performed. I’m thinking that would be about the same as castrastion. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/50 "2011-01-26T14:18:50Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Cite? > > Also, have you never heard of [female genital mutilation](Female genital cutting)? It can be done to women as well as girls, you know, and is surely agonizing. nuts, StR beat me too it. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/51 "2011-01-26T14:46:12Z")
> [@Carmady](#): > > I agree. > > Hypothetically, suppose: > > 1. Men in general prefer women who have had fewer partners (while untrue, there is some truth to this for long term relationships). > > 2. Women in general prefer men who have had more partners (this is somewhat true, you don’t ever hear of male virgins being considered desirable). > Each of these is a fair preference. The “double standard” is really just that men and women have _different_ standards. > > But does it make sense to try to force women to desire inexperienced men in order to change the “double standard”? Of course not. Neither does it make sense to argue that men “shouldn’t” have any preference for less experienced women. CITE? I do support the “Outsider/Insider” Rule; i.e. I see a big difference between a person I know greeting me with “Hey, girlfriend,” and an unknown person calling me a “girl.” ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/52 "2011-01-26T16:13:38Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Your 14-year-old son and his gay teacher? the 14-year-old son, his gay teacher and her girlfriend? ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/53 "2011-01-26T16:20:21Z")
I’m against the Death Penalty. I also think some folk need killin’. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/54 "2011-01-26T16:25:26Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Cite? Not being snarky, I really want to know > > Has a rapist, because that’s what she’s be under the law, ever successfully sued to get child support from her former victim who was underage but has turned 18? My google-fu is not that great right now, but there is some evidence that yes, that can happen. Granted the following is not a non-biased site. [http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberthirtysix.htm](http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberthirtysix.htm) ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598/55 "2011-01-26T16:50:21Z")
I’m a firm believer in eugenics, to the degree that I’m convinced humanity’s survival _depends_ on weeding out the physically sick, genetically infirm, and psychopathically deranged for the primary purpose of enlightening universal knowledge and allowing our species to evolve into a higher form of existence. But when I think about people like Stephen Hawking…well, shit. That’s a sticky wicket. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-double-standards-you-stand-behind/568598.md?page=2)