# Any EuroDopers out there? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 8, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820 "2006-04-08T03:23:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/1 "2006-04-08T03:23:31Z")
It seems like we have legions of Aussie, British, and (obviously) American (and yes I’m including Canadians, whether they like it or not, under the header of “American”) Dopers, but it seems pretty rare that someone identifies themselves as a European around these parts. Now if you are an expat from one of the above mentioned countries _living_ in Europe, I permit you to reply, but you must identify yourself as such and thus only count as a Quasi-EuroDoper. So, any EuroDopers? ---
**Author:** ![kellner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c2a13f/32.png) [@kellner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellner)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/2 "2006-04-08T03:41:21Z")
Yes. There are several others, but it might take a few hours until they wake up. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/3 "2006-04-08T06:13:18Z")
I’m awake. Hiya. Why did you ask, **Rigamarole**? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/4 "2006-04-08T07:03:32Z")
> [@gum](#): > > I’m awake. Hiya. Why did you ask, **Rigamarole**? 🙂 I’m always curious about what kind of demographics the Dope represents, and I’m wistful for tales of faraway lands. I spent 6 months in Mexico living by a university for foreign students where I got to meet people from France, Germany, Norway, et al. for the first time in my life. (yes I met Mexicans too but there was a total cultural amalgamation in that particular town) It was one of the most interesting experiences I’ve had. Maybe we can like… exchange stories or ideas between our foreign cultures… or something. Wouldn’t want the power of the internet to go to waste. Anyway right now though I’m dead tired - I’ll have to see who else posts by tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![gum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbe5ce/32.png) [@gum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gum)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/5 "2006-04-08T08:06:02Z")
Welterusten = goodnight, **Rigamarole** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/6 "2006-04-08T08:08:43Z")
There are bucketloads of us. By the way, why do you exclude British Dopers? Last I checked, Britain (both of them) was in Europe. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/7 "2006-04-08T18:55:19Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > There are bucketloads of us. By the way, why do you exclude British Dopers? Last I checked, Britain (both of them) was in Europe. You don’t say? I thought Brits were very insistent on _not_ being included as part of Europe. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/8 "2006-04-08T19:45:00Z")
Présent! ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/9 "2006-04-08T20:24:08Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > You don’t say? I thought Brits were very insistent on _not_ being included as part of Europe. No, not the typical SDMB Brit, at any rate. Just most of them are insistent on political distance from Brussels. Very different. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/10 "2006-04-08T20:36:09Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > You don’t say? I thought Brits were very insistent on _not_ being included as part of Europe. Interesting definitions that you’ve used in what countries of origin get classified into what categories, and rather inflammatory to some (both Canadian and American) to suggest that Canadians “whether they like it or not” are American. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2006, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/11 "2006-04-08T21:02:41Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > … Last I checked, Britain (both of them) was in Europe. Both of them? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/12 "2006-04-09T06:25:06Z")
> [@Celyn](#): > > Both of them? :dubious: Yes. Great and… the other one. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/13 "2006-04-09T06:36:55Z")
> [@PastAllReason](#): > > Interesting definitions that you’ve used in what countries of origin get classified into what categories, and rather inflammatory to some (both Canadian and American) to suggest that Canadians “whether they like it or not” are American. Errr… well, I really have heard British people insist that G.B. is not part of Europe. I’m not making it up. But I guess that isn’t an across-the-board feeling. As for Canadians being “American”, they **are** North American, and I think lists seperated by commas that contain more than 3 items are superfluous. Hence Aussie, British, and American Dopers. If you want to contest this categorization, I do have a mailing address where I receive complaints, it is located at: P.O. Box 42 Sense of Humor, America 90210 ---
**Author:** ![Coil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Coil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coil)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/14 "2006-04-09T07:35:13Z")
Present. Isn’t there a joke about a British newspaper headline “Fog on Channel, Continent isolated”? ---
**Author:** ![Jman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jman/32/4416_2.png) [@Jman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jman)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/15 "2006-04-09T18:59:37Z")
I am a quasi-European doper. American living in Germany. I’ve been here for 3.5 years, and have been all over Europe. I’m moving back to the US May 1, and I will miss Europe terribly, though I’m ready to go home. It’s been a wonderful experience, though. ---
**Author:** ![ColonelDax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@ColonelDax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColonelDax)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/16 "2006-04-09T20:57:15Z")
Another U.S. expat here, coming up on 12 1/2 years in Europe. I spent my first 2 1/2 years in Brussels and have lived since then in London. I have so-called indefinite leave to remain in the U.K. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/17 "2006-04-09T21:13:11Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Errr… well, I really have heard British people insist that G.B. is not part of Europe. I’m not making it up. But I guess that isn’t an across-the-board feeling. If this attitude exists at all, it must be in a teensy little minority. There is a habit here (and in Ireland to a smaller extent) of referring to the continent of Europe as “Europe” rather than “the continent”, but that’s just a mistake. We might have a vocal anti-EU lobby, and we’re not part of the Euro currency, but we’re European by geography and we’re European by membership of the EU. Any Brit saying we’re not part of Europe is just plain flat-out wrong. So, I identify myself as a EuroDoper. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/18 "2006-04-09T21:48:15Z")
As a UK passport holder / Brit / Englishman / Londoner / Cockney / European, I feel qualified to answer. I think there are several reasons for British attitiudes to Europe. ‘Against’ would include: - some country folk don’t care for Europe. They may have never travelled abroad, and consider the Queen the rightful ruler. - some think the special relationship with the US matters far more than Europe. (This is far less prevalent with the current US President. :eek: ) - The UK Independence Party (only a small minority, but a registered political party) ‘For’ would include: - some parts of these islands have taken advantage of European grants + the Common Market (Ireland comes to mind) - Euro Members of Parliament (overpaid and over there, so to speak) ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/19 "2006-04-09T21:53:48Z")
> [@glee](#): > > …I think there are several reasons for British attitiudes to Europe… Come on, let’s be consistent…are you talking about Europe or the EU? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2006, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820/20 "2006-04-09T22:09:28Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#): > > Come on, let’s be consistent…are you talking about Europe or the EU? 😛 I’m not sure of the difference between the countries in Europe, the European Union, the European Football Championship and the Eurovision song contest\*. 😕 \*but this includes Israel! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-eurodopers-out-there/351820.md?page=2)