# Any Evidence That shysters Are Taking Advantage of Chipotle's Woes? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 26, 2015, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393 "2015-12-26T14:42:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/21 "2015-12-27T18:38:02Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > Maybe, but many insured people have large deductibles and co-pays, especially for the ER. And imagine if your entire family was hit because you all ate there together? > > Until I switched back to the PPO, I would have been on the hook for $2,500 before my insurance even kicked in. Yes, and I’m saying Chipotle would just pay those bills. They’ll definitely lose going to court on that. It’s the idea of them being sued for pain and suffering. Before I say anything else, at this point I have no idea if Chipotle can was negligent here. The problem with Norovirus is that it’s difficult to prevent even when using great care. If Chipotle wasn’t following food health regulations they are in deep trouble and deserving what they get. If they were following code and this outbreak still occurred then the company could go under from the cost of the lawsuits for something they were unable to prevent. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2015, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/22 "2015-12-27T20:22:48Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Yes, and I’m saying Chipotle would just pay those bills. They’ll definitely lose going to court on that. It’s the idea of them being sued for pain and suffering. I don’t know; if I had spent several days in the hospital and gone into kidney failure due to someone else’s negligence in pursuit of greater profits, I might want a bit more than just my medical expenses and possibly lost wages. Not millions, you understand, but enough to send a message. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/23 "2015-12-28T01:23:05Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > These are both perfectly valid points. > > What we _really_ need is public health regulatory agencies with serious funding and enforcement teeth. Lawsuits by private parties are much less efficient, but better than nothing. Thank you. At least \*somebody \*can comprehend what I (intended to) write. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/24 "2015-12-28T13:50:53Z")
So, suppose i buy and eat a garbage burrito at my local Chipotles. next day, i get sick and vomit-I am sure that poor food handling was the cause-can i file a lawsuit and expect a big payoff? ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/25 "2015-12-28T14:51:53Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > Nice title. :rolleyes: Chipotle’s food wasn’t spiked by someone else, like the Tylenol poisonings, so they’re hardly “woes” that just happened to them. And heaven forfend anyone expect compensation when their lunch makes them violently ill; anyone who does must be greedily “taking advantage” and the lawyers who’d take their cases simply **must** be shysters. > > Apparently wells got poisoned along with burritos. 😛 There certainly are people who will file a bogus claim just to try to get money. Ask General Motors. Ken Feinberg (the guy they hired to manage the ignition switch compensation fund) received thousands of claims. Even after accepting some rather dubious claims (including ones where the driver was drunk when they crashed), he still ended up throwing out over 90% of the claims as being without merit. So yeah, if you shout “Money!” you should definitely expect greedy bastards to come crawling out of the woodwork. ETA: I remember getting sick after eating at Chipotle, but that was years ago. I suspect this is a problem of long standing for them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/26 "2015-12-28T15:03:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Using tort lawsuits to enforce sanitary laws & good corporate governance is like considering the Powerball to be an effective social welfare program just because most winners are poor. Wise or not, tort liability is really the only thing that enforces sanitary laws and good governance. Most government regulators, however well-meaning, are simply too small and too heavily influenced by regulatory capture to fully enforce safety, sanitary or other public protection measures. Overtime and minimum wage laws are “enforced” largely by wage and hour lawsuits, not by direct action by the Department of Labor. Environmental regulations are most frequently enforced by private litigation brought be environmental groups and even individuals, not the EPA. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/27 "2015-12-28T15:27:45Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Those sickened by E. coli and norovirus shouldn’t be suing Chipotle - they should be going after the biotech terrorists who poisoned the food. > > Chipotle was targeted by companies who resented its anti-GMO stance. Get the details [here](https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/23/biotech-company-terrorists-poison-chipot). :eek: :rolleyes: The simple fact is that Chipotle grew too fast for its food sourcing processes. Relying as much as possible on local family farms while opening over 1,000 restaurants in the past 6 years almost guarantees problems with quality and standardization. > **[National Good Food Network (NGFN) | Organization Profile](https://yippy.health/profile/national-good-food-network)** > > at yippy: The US food system for a healthier and sustainable future. About the National Good Food Network's mission, programs, and impact on communities. Above is a presentation by the Director of Quality Assurance and Food Safety at Chipotle where they explain their outsourcing strategies and the problems they’ve had with it. I do note that, in the slide that lists “Food Safety” as a concern, “Food Safety” is not mentioned at all by the speaker. If I were of a conspiracy mindset, I would then use this as proof that the head of their food safety department @ Chipotle wasn’t concerned about food safety at all. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/28 "2015-12-28T15:29:31Z")
Jackmannii was being facetious. He does not _actually_ believe Chipotle was sabotaged by Big GMO. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/29 "2015-12-28T15:31:14Z")
Gotcha. Color me wooshed, then. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/30 "2015-12-28T20:30:52Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Thank you. At least \*somebody \*can comprehend what I (intended to) write. Believe it or not, someone can understand you fully and disagree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/31 "2015-12-28T21:26:23Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Believe it or not, someone can understand you fully and disagree with you. Yes, but in fairness, that does not seem to be the situation here. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/32 "2015-12-28T21:28:30Z")
ETA: @ **Derleth** Actually, I think I understand you and that I think that you understand me. And I think we both agree that in today’s world fear of class action lawsuit or social media viral “justice” is about the only thing holding corporate feet to the fire. Where we \*might \*differ is whether we think that’s as good as it can ever be vs. whether we as a society can / should develop other means of achieving corporate responsibility and corporate membership in civil society. My complaint was with the other fellow who it seemed to me was asserting that I believe all lawsuits against corporations are evil, lawyers are ambulance chasers (his words not mine) and that outlawing “frivolous” things like people suing when injured would be a Good Thing. All of which is about the diametric opposite of what I believe. I certainly could have misinterpreted him. His comments, though clearly hostile, were rather cryptic on the details. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/33 "2015-12-28T21:37:18Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Thank you. At least \*somebody \*can comprehend what I (intended to) write. Hard to take your questions seriously when they contain such an ugly slur: > [@](#): > > Any Evidence That shysters Are Taking Advantage of Chipotle’s Woes? ---
**Author:** ![Driver8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5a626/32.png) [@Driver8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Driver8)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/34 "2015-12-28T21:54:51Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Hard to take your questions seriously when they contain such an ugly slur: To be fair to **LSLGuy** , you’ve attributed a quote to him that was said by someone else entirely. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/35 "2015-12-28T21:56:54Z")
> [@Driver8](#): > > To be fair to **LSLGuy** , you’ve attributed a quote to him that was said by someone else entirely. Oh god, you’re right. Apologies all around. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393/36 "2015-12-28T22:23:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Where we \*might \*differ is whether we think that’s as good as it can ever be vs. whether we as a society can / should develop other means of achieving corporate responsibility and corporate membership in civil society. I think we should, but I don’t think we’ll be able to for quite some time, and it will likely take some more disasters for it to happen, much like how it took a few ecological disasters to create the EPA. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-evidence-that-shysters-are-taking-advantage-of-chipotles-woes/741393.md?page=1)