# Any good Asian historical fiction? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 12, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558 "2004-08-12T17:47:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![liirogue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dbc845/32.png) [@liirogue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/liirogue)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/1 "2004-08-12T17:47:42Z")
European and American historical fiction is abundant. But what about novels of this genre that take place in Asia? Any country or time period, I’m not picky. And Harlequins masquerading as historical fiction need not apply. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/2 "2004-08-12T20:33:25Z")
Well, there are James Clavell’s books…Shogun, Tai-Pan, Noble House, etc. There’s also Gore Vidal’s “Creation”, although the framing story takes place in Greece. James Michener’s “The Source” primarily takes place in Israel, as do Leon Uris’s “Exodus”, and Herman Wouk’s “The Hope” and “The Glory”. ---
**Author:** ![Lao\_Tsu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lao\_Tsu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lao_Tsu)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/3 "2004-08-12T20:44:36Z")
Well, are plenty out there you just have to look a little harder. I would recommend the Samurai tetrology. There’s four or five of these, but I can’t remember the author’s name right off. Here’s a comic novel of Japan the was written in the 19th century. I highly recommend it. [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0804815801/qid=1092343181/sr=1-1/ref=sr\_1\_1/103-7793338-4847869?v=glance&s=books](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0804815801/qid=1092343181/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-7793338-4847869?v=glance&s=books) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/4 "2004-08-12T21:12:29Z")
Try [Musashi](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4770019572/002-8581389-6392869?v=glance) by Eiji Yoshikawa. Possibly the best samurai novel ever written. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/5 "2004-08-12T22:25:37Z")
[http://www.friesian.com/ross/dee.htm](http://www.friesian.com/ross/dee.htm) A Dutch diplomat named Van Gulick wrote a series of novels featuring Judge Dee, who was real. Set in ancient China, absolutely fascinating! I heartily recommend them, one was actually made into a TV movie, but my grandmother loved them and I got hers=) note - we need a thumbs up smiley … ---
**Author:** ![Necros](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/necros/32/11086_2.png) [@Necros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Necros)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/6 "2004-08-12T22:40:59Z")
Also, if you like mysteries, Laura Joh-Rowland’s novels of a court detective in medieval Japan are excellent. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2004, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/7 "2004-08-12T22:41:26Z")
Try _The Romance of the Three Kingdoms_ by Luo Guanzhong, or Lo Kuan-Chung. Chinese historical fiction (about China in the Third Century) by a Chinese writer (of the 14th Century). Can’t get much more historical or Asian than that. ---
**Author:** ![Atticus\_Finch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Atticus\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atticus_Finch)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/8 "2004-08-13T01:18:28Z")
I remember Rebels of the Heavenly Kingdom being OK, but perhaps it’d seem a bit childish now. Ever read the Flashman series? Set during Victorian times, and it’s all a big joke, but there’s some real history in there too. Great fun, I highly recommend them. (Note that Flashman and the Dragon is an inaccurate one.) ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/9 "2004-08-13T01:37:24Z")
> [@](#): > > * * * > > [http://www.friesian.com/ross/dee.htm](http://www.friesian.com/ross/dee.htm) > > A Dutch diplomat named Van Gulick wrote a series of novels featuring Judge Dee, who was real. Set in ancient China, absolutely fascinating! > > I heartily recommend them, one was actually made into a TV movie, but my grandmother loved them and I got hers=) > > note - we need a thumbs up smiley … I entered this thread specifically to mention Judge Dee. I’ve read all the books, and love them. Two other people have co-authored two more Judge Dee books.One is titled **Deception**. The books aren’t consistent with van Gulik’s (all of which are fiction, of course), but they _did_ keep Dee a detective. Worth th read. For that matter, the original Chinese Judge Dee novel is stoill available from Dover books as **Dee Goong An: The Celebrated Cases of Judge Dee**. It was an 18th century Chinese novel (about a Tan Dynasty historical character), translated into English by the Dutch van Gulik. The TV movie was **Judge Dee and the Haunted Monastery** , based on Gulik’s novel **The Haunbted Monastery**. I taped it off the TV. Sadly, I don’t think it’s available on VHS or DVD. Nicholas Meyer wrote the teleplay (and Stan Winston did the makeup!) It’s not the only TV version of Dee. There was a six-episode British TV series back in the 1970s that I’d love to see. Paul Veerhoeven (RoboCop, Total Recall, etc) was rumored t have been working on a Judge Dee movie, but it never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/10 "2004-08-13T04:46:00Z")
You could give _The Tale of Genji_ a try. It was historical fiction when it was written a thousand years ago. It might take a bit of dedication, but I think it’s worth it. I won’t lie to you, it can be a difficult read, since the female characters don’t have names per se, and the titles by which certain characters are known changes throughout the text. But it gives a rich and nuanced portrait of what life was like in Heian Japan. I prefer [this](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/014243714X/qid=1092371666/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-4970424-6589613) translation for readability, but [this](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394735307/qid=1092371666/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-4970424-6589613?v=glance&s=books) one for the poetry-- the poems just flow better in the latter one. I actually like to read it having both copies open, comparing the two texts to get a broader sense of meaning. The former has a helpful chart at the beginning of each chapter explaning the relationships between characters, which can get a bit confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/11 "2004-08-13T06:06:21Z")
There’s always Pearl S. Buck’s _The Good Earth_. I enjoyed it when I read it, but it’s been a while. I know Buck has written other novels set in China at about the same time. Can’t vouch for their fantasticness, though. If you want beach reading, Amy Tan’s _The Hundred Secret Senses_ switches between present day and Boxer Rebellion era China. It’s not terribly deep or anything, just “give your mind a break” reading. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/12 "2004-08-13T13:56:54Z")
There’s also John Hersey’s “The Call”, which is about a Baptist (I think) missionary in China. Hersey, who was the son of Chinese missionaries, even makes his parents minor characters. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/13 "2004-08-14T01:12:01Z")
Betty Bao Lord had a novel called spring moon. Dunno, I haven’t read much in this genre that goes beyond bad stereotypes. I like Amy Tan. James Clavell is “lite” reading but I also enjoyed his books 20 years ago. Maybe I should reread them ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/14 "2004-08-14T01:40:14Z")
Another vote here for Murasaki’s **Tale of Genji**. And again, it’s not the easiest thing to read, but it’s not impossible, either. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/15 "2004-08-14T01:54:31Z")
> [@Pochacco](#): > > Try [Musashi](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/4770019572/002-8581389-6392869?v=glance) by Eiji Yoshikawa. Possibly the best samurai novel ever written. Possibly? Au contraire this is the defining book by which all other samurai novels must be judged. You can check out books by Louis Cha like the Deer and the Cauldron. Not sure if this is completely translated and published yet. Louis Cha is possible the most widely read, recognizeable author in modern China. He pioneered the mystic, taoist, buddhist, kungfu masters restoring the dynasty against all odds while helping the common man. any Chinese person has read at least a couple of his epics (5 volumes and couple thousand pages) and has a favorite. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/16 "2004-08-14T03:11:54Z")
_Journeyer_, by Gary Jennings is a fictionalized “memoir” of Marco Polo. [warning: requires a strong stomach for all manner of sexual perversions and graphic violence] I would also second Gore Vidal’s _Creation_, a book that features characters such as Confucious, Buddha, Zoroaster, Xerxes and Socrates and traverses the ancient Eastern world from Greece to Persia to India to China. ---
**Author:** ![Time\_Stranger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Time\_Stranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Time_Stranger)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-good-asian-historical-fiction/259558/17 "2004-08-14T06:28:39Z")
I found Cao Xueqing’s **Story of the Stone** quite enjoyable, even though it is incredibly long… I’d say only read the first 80 chapters, as the rest are by a separate author. I thought it provided a lot of interesting insight to wealthy Chinese households in the 18th century.