# Any good "hard" SF that isn't depressing?

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I would recommend Poul Anderson’s _The High Crusade_. Medieval Englishmen take on an interstellar empire. There are some humorous bits and an upbeat ending. Anderson wrote some stories that are upbeat and/or pretty funny and some that were tragic. His short story “Day of Burning” gives Chee Lan some funny lines and is pretty good. That story uses FTL travel, but _Tau Zero_ was firmly grounded in the hard science of the early 1970’s and has a great ending.

I recently read Connie Willis’ _The Domesday Book_, and while parts are grim, it does have an ending as upbeat as can be about the Black Death. Highly recommended.

Fritz Leiber’s novel _The Silver Eggheads_ is hilarious and has a great ending.

Someone mentioned P.J. Farmer’s Riverworld series. Try _The Maker of Universes_, the first and best of the World of Tiers series.

I agree that Heinlein, Niven, and Asimov were generally upbeat. Pournelle and Niven’s _Lucifer’s Hammer_ has an optimistic ending although much of the world gets destroyed. Someone mentioned Arthur C. Clarke and I would try _Childhood’s End_ and _The Sands of Mars_.

Also recommended are Zelazy’s _Lord of Light, Creatures of Light and Darkness_, and “The Doors of his Eyes, the Lamps of his Mouth.”

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