# Any interest in another SDMB Diplomacy Game? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 28, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058 "2011-04-28T17:38:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/21 "2011-04-29T16:15:49Z")
Updating: 1. **Scuba\_Ben** 2. **AClockworkMelon** 3. **fubbleskag** 4. **garygnu** 5. **grimpixie** Potentially: 6. **etv78** 7. **John DiFool** 8. **Omniscient** Lookin’ good so far… ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/22 "2011-04-29T16:45:08Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > The last Doper Dip game I recall, it was entirely public negotiations. Having no privacy must have made that game more complex than Dip normally is. Yeah, that had it’s good and bad side. The good was that thread lurkers could follow all the discussions and strategy (and as such it had entertainment as well as heuristic value). The bad was that you were often on the thorns of various dilemmas-you had to communicate to your allies in some way, but you couldn’t spill your exact plans out in the open like that, and this led to various misunderstandings going every which way when you did something that your allies didn’t expect (much less your enemies). Thus I assume private press for this one? As in, at the risk of further insomnia, you can count me in (as long as it’s not Standard like I said). The Modern map makes for a bit of a more freewheeling game, tho the large distances often mean offensives are telegraphed way ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/23 "2011-04-29T16:45:13Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Lookin’ good so far… And a pleasing number of n00bs - \*\*AClockworkMelon \*\*& **fubbleskag** , all you need to remember is never to trust **garygnu** , especially if he is playing France. Actually, never trust anyone playing France - that’s shorter and easier to remember. Grim (Your friend and trusted future ally) ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/24 "2011-04-29T16:47:42Z")
Oh, don’t forget retreat phases-perhaps those can be shorter. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/25 "2011-04-29T17:04:52Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Oh, don’t forget retreat phases-perhaps those can be shorter. Good idea. When we get to Saturday and have a full roster of players, I’ll post: - Variants that work with the number of people we have - my preference is for Modern, but we’ll see what we can get. - Due date for turns schedule (e.g. maybe we’ll have turns due on Sunday and Thursday nights) - Due date for retreat/build orders after a turn comes due - Communication methods - how people would prefer to be contacted - Where I’ll post the maps - Advance schedule for any out-of-town pauses (we’ll need to know who all the players are before we know when they’ll be out-of-town) - Policies to avoid NMRs (No Move Received) and dropouts 7 things I should have laid out for us on Saturday… anything else I’m forgetting? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/26 "2011-04-29T18:47:43Z")
I would love to play. Theres a kickass [1600’s europe varient](http://www.diplom.org/Online/recovered/1600/1600.htm) that looks awesome. It allows us to 9 players too I think. ETA: In fact, screw it, if no one else wants too I’ll host this version. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/27 "2011-04-30T14:39:01Z")
I think we’ve got a good crew of people so far 🙂 1. **Scuba\_Ben** 2. **AClockworkMelon** 3. **fubbleskag** 4. **garygnu** 5. **grimpixie** 6. **Sitnam** Potentially: 7. **etv78** 8. **John DiFool** 9. **Omniscient** I’ll leave sign-ups open for additional players until 5 PM Pacific time today, then we’ll set to work on the 7 housekeeping issues. **Sitnam** , I like the 1600 variant, but unfortunately it’s not one of the variants supported by jDip. If we were to play a game of 1600 after this one, I’d be happy to be a player. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/28 "2011-04-30T20:28:10Z")
Correction - sorry, **John** - I missed that you had said you’re in. 1. **Scuba\_Ben** 2. **AClockworkMelon** 3. **fubbleskag** 4. **garygnu** 5. **grimpixie** 6. **John DiFool** 7. **Sitnam** Potentially: 8. **etv78** 9. **Omniscient** I’ll be out going to roller derby tonight just before 5, so instead I’ll post after I get back (late, Pacific Time.) ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/29 "2011-04-30T22:30:33Z")
Got wrecked my first game. I need revenge! Count me in please. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/30 "2011-04-30T23:05:29Z")
2 more! Come one come all (sharpens knives)… ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/31 "2011-04-30T23:26:57Z")
I’ll give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/32 "2011-04-30T23:56:40Z")
^ Don’t trust that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/33 "2011-05-01T00:40:40Z")
Yeah, Dip…what is it? Diplomacy? I think heard about that somewhere. How hard can it be? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/34 "2011-05-01T03:31:26Z")
^ And don’t trust that guy either. v This guy you can trust. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/35 "2011-05-01T03:41:53Z")
😃 ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/36 "2011-05-01T06:26:54Z")
Our players: 1. **Scuba\_Ben** 2. **AClockworkMelon** 3. **fubbleskag** 4. **garygnu** 5. **grimpixie** 6. **John DiFool** 7. **Sitnam** 8. **Mosier** 9. **Hawkeyeop** 10. I’ve PM’d **Omniscient** and **etv78** since they were our maybes… if I hear from one of them in the affirmative, I’ll draw countries Some stuff I’d like to suggest. If something seems like a bad idea, let me know so we can fix it and get the game started soon - I’d like to have our first turn due Wednesday, May 4th. Due Dates: Turns will be due by 10 PM Pacific Time on Sundays and Wednesdays (that should help **Scuba\_Ben** who is not available Friday and Saturday) Retreat/Build Orders: Retreat orders will be due 16 hours after the main phase (e.g. Monday 2 PM PST and Thursday 2 PM PST) Build orders will be due 10 hours after that (26 hrs after the main phase… I’m aiming for Fall turns on Mondays, so 12 midnight PST Mondays) Feel free to turn these orders in early also, if possible Communication: PMs through the board will be default; if you would rather receive emails, let us know, and we can make a contact list that includes peoples’ emails. It might be a good idea to clear your PM folder if you have a lot saved (I think it only keeps 50) Maps: Maps will be posted as Google Docs: [check to see if this link works](https://docs.google.com/document/d/19XmjQLnFZfjU_kuYv36_TERs-Qhx6SLGmBcKnOxb2kQ/edit?hl=en&authkey=COahrskG). I will link each map with an update in the game/public press thread Advance schedule for out of town pauses: I will be out of town without internet access from July 9-24, so we should pause the game during that time (if it lasts that long) Anyone else who will be without internet access should let us all know as soon as possible so we can schedule any other pauses in advance. Avoiding NMR (No Move Received, also called CD or Civil Disorder): For those of you who are new to the game, NMRs are really, **really** annoying to all the other players ☹ . Make sure you get your orders in by the deadline. Worse than a sudden yet inevitable betrayal is not sending in orders on time. I would recommend sending in a set of orders early, with what you think you’ll do before even negotiating (that can also serve as an ideal set of orders on which to start your negotiations.) I will accept orders submitted early, and I will replace those orders with the _most recent_ set of orders I have received from you. I strongly, strongly recommend you submit an early set of orders, so that if something in life comes up, at least your units won’t sit there doing nothing. It’s better to have your units do something you didn’t agree on with your allies than to have your units do nothing. I will also be pestering people who don’t have their orders in a few hours before the deadline. Don’t take it personally, I just want the game to run smoothly. As a last resort, if you have 2 turns where you have not sent in orders, I will start looking for a replacement player. Please, please don’t do this. It makes the game a lot less fun. Any questions before we start? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/37 "2011-05-01T09:09:14Z")
> [@wevets](#): > > Any questions before we start? 🙂 I’d prefer to do my negotiations via email - I’ll send it via PM to **wevets** for distribution to the group. I’d also prefer to start the game next week rather than this, being a variant I’ve never played, I’d prefer a longer first round of negotiations if that’s OK with everyone else? Grim ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/38 "2011-05-01T14:48:30Z")
I think the minor phases need to be at no less than 24 hours long each. 10 hours could have me going to bed right before the build phase is due, and waking up late and getting no builds. I’d also like to express country preferences, but if you don’t want to do that it’s no biggie. Like Spain/France/Italy/etc., roll a die if there’s a tie. I’d also prefer email, as that PM folder can fill up pretty quick. Too bad about your down time **wevets** , as I’ll be out from the 25th to Aug. 4th. ☹ Perhaps a junior mod can volunteer & run the game in your absence? There was an article on some rules allowing a NMR country in (as they call it) “civil disorder” to at least get self-supports in place where possible (randomly rolling if there’s two or more possibilities). I’ll try to find it… ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/39 "2011-05-01T15:05:20Z")
**grimpixie** and **John DiFool** bring up some excellent points. **Modifications to what I said above** : Start Let’s aim for a first turn due at 10 PM PST Sunday, May 8th. Turn timing 24 hours between phases will mean that retreats from the May 8th turn will be due 10 PM PST Monday May 9th. Sounds like a good idea to me. **Scuba\_Ben** , if we have a Wednesday turn with both retreat and build phases, you may want to send in your build orders with your retreat orders (if any) - if that might be a problem - PM me, I think it’s a resolvable problem. Country Preferences Feel free to send me your preferences (3 maximum, in order of preference) for the countries you would like to play. I’ll resolve preference conflicts with random selection between the preferring players, then proceed to random assignment of non-preferred countries. I’ve already started to receive info for a contact list, and I’ll compile that list as it comes in. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2011, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058/40 "2011-05-01T15:10:53Z")
For those making country preferences, the powers in Modern variant are: A. Britain B. Egypt C. France D. Germany E. Italy F. Poland G. Russia H. Spain I. Turkey K. Ukraine [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-interest-in-another-sdmb-diplomacy-game/580058.md?page=3)