Any other Autistic/Asperger's dopers out there?

This is going to be long and hijack-like, and I appologize, but I’d appreciate an opinion from you guys. I’ve been wondering about this for a long time.

How important is it to get a diagnosis? Are there ways to signifigantly improve your lives through that?

The reason I ask is this: I come from a family of unusual people. I myself have always been described as strange (Sunspace, I had no idea other people didn’t think visually. Seriously. I don’t even understand how that would even be possible). My level of strangeness can be maintained, while in public, at “quirky”, in that I function well in society and manage to hide my truly bizzare traits from all but my nearest and dearest. Thankfully I’ve managed to find a small group of friends who love me anyway.

My little sister, however, is on the other side of the line, and I worry about her. She has few social skills, and no social preception. She doesn’t get facial expressions, or vocal inflection. You can make her cry with a joke, or laugh with an insult, because she can’t comprehend sarcasm. She insists on sealing (closing all windows & door, shutting drapes) any room she’s in. She has a fear of bathing or washing her hair. She is often ‘in her own world’, sitting in her room in the dark, listening to the same song over and over and over. Sometimes, when she’s alone (often at night) she makes noises to herself. She calls it ‘yodeling’, but it’s more like singing ‘ya-ya-ya-ya-ya’ over and over again. I asked her once and she told me it relaxes her. She hates leaving the house, and gets upset when my parents are out for dinner & dancing. She does not ever leave the confines of her ‘sealed’ room when on vacation. (Thankfully my parents have finally stopped forcing her to go along). New places scare her She has only just begun to learn a modicum of impulse control. She was a teenager before she stopped having regular tantrums.

She doesn’t read well, due to severe dyslexia, but she’s very smart and loves books on tape (or having them read to her). She’s an artist, and produces paintings/drawings/sculptures that are. . .I can’t really describe them. When you first look at them, they look strange and ‘not right’, but are at the same time deeply appealing. Like you want to keep staring at them until you figure them out. She’s a horseback rider and has this zen way with animals that I can’t even begin to explain. You bring an abused/tempermental/difficult horse (or a feral barn cat) into her stables, and by the end of the day it’ll be her best friend.

Her school classified her as ADD, and my parents are accepting of that-- despite the fact that she actually has concentration powers 10 times stronger than anyone I know. I said once that I thought maybe she had a ‘touch’ of autism. My mother insisted there was no such thing as slightly autistic. My parents are very opposed to any kind of psychiatrist or counseling. They had a very bad experience early on with Ritalin and have consequently written off the entire subject.

My sister is now 18. She’s a wonderful and facinating person, and it breaks my heart that no one sees that but me because they’re too turned off by her innapropriate social actions. She would give you the shirt off her back if you ever needed anything. But people are so goddamn judgemental. My mother insists that my sister is going through a ‘phase’ (she has always been like this-- the yodeling thing is from infancy. For a while when she was a little, she would only communicate via that noise. You figured what she wanted via tone & emphasis. She still does thing occasionally). I worry about her getting along in the adult world.

Does this seem to you (as it does to me) that this is more that just ADD? Could it be something like Asperger’s/HFA? Is there any point now that she’s an adult, or is the help available geared mostly to children?

That sounds like autism to me. Or something more than ADD. Just MHO.

Actually, I dug out my Abnormal Psych book. Here’s a link to how the DSM-IV defines autism. http://www.autism-biomed.org/dsm-iv.htm

Unfortunately, most of the treatment options discussed in it are for children, I didn’t see anything about adults, though they mentioned that SSRIs may be of some help. My book is a few years old (2000), so someone with more current information may be along.

Obsidian, read the Temple Grandin book, Thinking in Pictures. You will find a lot in there familiar.

I might be a bit…
I am definately:

  1. non social, not anti but definately happier by myself

  2. totally at sea in dealing with people I don’t know (aside from being extremely shy)

  3. Most of the time in my own world. It runs like a movie in the back of my head at all times even if I am not actively “telling” it at the moment. I have just started writing parts of that world down and getting rave comments from people who are amazed at how well I am “in the characters lives” mostly I am surprised when I remember they are NOT walking beside me

  4. apparently from talking to Sunspace I also think in pictures… writing is just visually describing what I am seeing

You mean some people don’t SEE the book they are reading… I just can’t wrap my brain around that!

  1. when I was a teen I designed houses… for fun :smiley:
    I could see them in 3 D and down to the scrollwork on the doorways… hmmmmmmmm

GMRyujin, that DSM-IV section on Aspergers sounds awfully familiar.

I just remembered something:

When I was about 17 I decided to be “deaf” I had become interested in what it was to be deaf and so I STOPPED hearing. I became an excellent lip reader. And so whenever I was by myself somewhere I didn’t hear or speak…

odd… definately eccentric

Okay, Krisfer, you are Officially Cool. :slight_smile:

Me too! I really thought I was the only one who did that. I am a conniseur of home architecture programs.

When I read, I ‘build’ the setting in my mind. I’m often annoyed when halfway through the book, the author contradicts my picture. I find it impossible to change said picture (this also goes for character descriptions). I’ve actually had to stop reading books because i couldn’t reconcile the images.

I also write. I’ve always been afraid to admit I see my characters in my head as clearly as I see the person i’m talking to. When i say it outloud, it sounds insane. Writing is actually how I got into the house designing thing. I found that I’d always picture stories taking place in my house or other houses, and that I had to build myself new sets.

OH, I was outlining the next couple chapters and telling about the foretelling in the early ones( I am planning on dropping a nuke in about 2 chpts) to my lunch date today… he was just listening and grinning…“Krisfer, your funner than TV!”

I think that was a compliment!

One of my coworkers is autistic. He’s a great guy and we all love him.

I know what you mean, Obsidian. When I was reading the Lord of the Rings, I got the layout of the Mines of Moria flopped in my mind left for right, and even though I’m rereading the book, and if it very plainly says they’re going downhill and then turning left, I still think of it as turning right to match my old picture, and I can’t get rid of it.

Krisfer, that’s neat.

I have a student that just entered my class who has Aspergers. I have noticed that he does not do what he’s supposed to be doing unless personally, specifically directed to do it. Also, he gets very upset about minor setbacks, which makes me worry about him.

Are these typical behaviors of people with Aspergers? Is there any way I can help a kid with Aspergers be more comfortable in class without singling him out or making it obvious that he has something different about him?

Reading and IEP and a description in a book about Aspergers doesn’t answer these questions for me, and I’ve never met anyone with it before, so I want to do right by him.

Thanks.

Yes, it’s normal. I know I don’t like to have disruptions during classes, but I can’t think of anything to stop that.

I suggest writing down ALL the instructions beforehand. Oftentimes I’ll have a teacher who talks just for a short while, and it’s impossible to remember everything in the whole. I just have a hard time with it, and I’m easily distracted, so it’s easy to miss some critical bit of information. With having it on the paper, it’s easy to check, instead of asking multiple times to a teacher just to make sure I heard it/understand it properly.

Aslan: I’m not sure that’s possible, to write everything down for him. I need him to be able to take notes during class-- not elaborate notes, this is 7th grade, but to follow along and jot down a word or two every couple of minutes. He seems unwilling to do this.

Also, is there anything I can do about him getting so upset? For instance, for fun they were supposed to draw the image described as I read a poem (they were reading along too). He thought his drawing was bad and got a bit wrought, even though it wasn’t for a grade, was just a goof, and his was not that bad.

Thanks.

I have some symptoms of Asperger’s Syndrome (the “rocking”, the tendency to obsess, and the feelings of frustration), but I am missing other important symptoms (I function well around others, I can do things without people constantly telling me to do them, I controll my impulses), and what symptoms I do have are somewhat muted (for instance, I can ignore my obsessions for long stretches of time).

Well, I know when I copy down notes, it’s hard to make sense of them because following along is difficult. As soon as I would have a sentence in my head, and then wrote it down, the class would be several sentences ahead. I don’t really know what to suggest, other than having him copy another person’s notes, but if the notes are needed for something in class, it might get him behind because he’s doing it while the others are working on something else.

Regarding not being upset… Did he know beforehand that it was a goof? I know that it annoys/upsets me to get invested into work, and then find out it’s not worth anything or just a few marks. That tends to downgrade my opinion of the work.

I called the drawing a game and told them just to do the best they could, that the point of it wasn’t to draw a fabulous picture but to transfer the images in your head formed by the poem, onto the paper as best you can.

He also got quite upset when he, 3 other kids, and I were playing the card game UNO. Any time anyone gave him a Draw 3 or Skip, he’d get all exasperated and say that we were against him, trying to make him lose. This is not true–we were all trying to beat each other, but everyone else could tell it was all in good fun.

Is it a quality of Asperger’s that a person has trouble gauging the relative importance of certain social actions or activities? Or to misjudge the intentions or feelings of other people? Do other people with Asperger’s find themselves becoming overwrought in casual social situations? If so, what could a person do to help you feel better?

Yes to all 3.

When I feel that way, nothing really helphed me previously(see below), at least nothing that another person could do.

Here’s an idea, I dunno if it’s a viable idea… But as I said before in this thread, tell his parents to teach/practice with him good sportsmanship, how to react properly to things, and to realize that the world’s not against him when things don’t go his way. I feel like that sometimes, but thru training, I was able to realize (sometimes) that what was going on didn’t really matter, or wasn’t as big as it felt.

THAT’s the book I was thinking of in my previous post - I just got the email from my neighbor…it is supposed to be wonderful.