# Any Situation You Might Use Chick Tracts? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 9, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549 "2009-12-09T02:06:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/21 "2009-12-10T02:41:16Z")
I find the Cthulhu Tracts to be the best Chick parodies. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/22 "2009-12-10T02:46:35Z")
I’ll help the OP out: Some of his tracts are mostly or all straight from the Bible (KJV only). I might, in a rather bizarre set of circumstances, want to use them as a substitute for scripture. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/23 "2009-12-10T03:01:26Z")
I think his tracts are great. I would be leaving them all around if I didn’t have to purchase them via mail. I used to buy them at Christian book stores, but there are so few of those around here, and I couldn’t find any at the last Xn book store that I went to. hh ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/24 "2009-12-10T03:11:37Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > For instance I assume many of you guys are annoyed by Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormon missionaries knocking at your doorstep. Jack Chick’s tracts and comic books do point out some correct facts about them like for instance the Jehovah’s Witnesses did make a bunch of wrong predictions that weren’t true or that Joseph Smith had a very jihadist mentality. > > As for my response I would say that probably not until Jack Chick becomes less anti-Catholic and more “mainstream”. Cite? In which tract does Chick have more fact than fiction about ANYTHING? The problem with using something like a Chick tract is that there’s so much incorrect information in it, if there are any facts that are actually facts, they’re tainted by the Chick propaganda. In other words, even if there’s specks of gold in all that shit, that gold is still tiny bits, and not worth digging through the shit to find. If I want to point out the errors in the prophecies of the JW or discuss Joe Smith’s outlook, I am perfectly capable of finding far more objective and reliable sources. Chick is biased, his research is completely laughable, and he has no credibility with anyone who has any respect for the truth. What’s more, his SOURCES are also laughable and suffer a similar lack of credibility. Just look up [Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind,](http://www.kent-hovind.com/) for instance. Chick often cites Hovind as a source. I’m delighted to report that Hovind is currently serving 10 years for tax evasion. > [@amarinth](#): > > papier-mâché > origami, maybe? if I were going to spray paint it later. > > And the few times that Chick does manage to stumble upon an actual fact, he usually surrounds it with “information” that is incorrect, misleading, or flat out lies and delivers the whole package in an absolutely awful wrapping. It’s been a while since I’ve handled those tracts IRL, but as I recall, they wouldn’t work well for origami. Maybe I could use them in paper mache (I don’t use French accent marks, because I can never remember which goes where), but I’d want to paint the thing afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/25 "2009-12-10T03:18:19Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Some of his tracts are mostly or all straight from the Bible (KJV only). Chick has done a tract about how the King James Bible is the only “real” version and how King James was so great for creating it. I think he should do a tract about how much King James loved to suck and blow on dicks and make love to other men. Anyway - I found an _excellent_ use for a Jack Chick tract - I removed the text from the speech balloons and made up new dialog. Behold my masterpiece, [The Cocksucker.](https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/akentisa/Filemanager_Public_Files/hoggcomic.jpg) Language NSFW. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/26 "2009-12-10T03:20:57Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > For instance I assume many of you guys are annoyed by Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormon missionaries knocking at your doorstep. Jack Chick’s tracts and comic books do point out some correct facts about them like for instance the Jehovah’s Witnesses did make a bunch of wrong predictions that weren’t true or that Joseph Smith had a very jihadist mentality. If I wanted to argue with Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons then I’m capable of doing it on my own, without the help of bigoted and poorly-drawn cartoons, but I doubt their unexpected visits become any less annoying if you start arguing with them. Anything that prolongs the visit is IMHO a bad thing, and defending the very questionable accuracy of a Chick Tract to a stranger (or to anyone) is not a way I’d choose to spend my time. If Chick said anything about JWs or Mormons that was actually correct then it can only be because even a broken clock is right twice a day. I’m sure an actual JW or Mormon would immediately recognize all the incorrect claims he makes about their denominations. I’m also certain that neither JWs nor Mormons would suddenly renounce their faiths if presented with a Chick Tract. Converting them to Chick-style Fundamentalist Protestantism would hardly be an improvement anyway. In my experience the fastest way to get rid of JWs is to just take the copy of _The Watchtower_ that they’re offering you and say good day. There’s no reason to bring Jack T. Chick into the picture. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/27 "2009-12-10T03:41:22Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I think his tracts are great. I would be leaving them all around if I didn’t have to purchase them via mail. I used to buy them at Christian book stores, but there are so few of those around here, and I couldn’t find any at the last Xn book store that I went to. > > hh I believe that’s because of his anti-Catholic works bookstores have decided to remove them. > [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Cite? In which tract does Chick have more fact than fiction about ANYTHING? The problem with using something like a Chick tract is that there’s so much incorrect information in it, if there are any facts that are actually facts, they’re tainted by the Chick propaganda. In other words, even if there’s specks of gold in all that shit, that gold is still tiny bits, and not worth digging through the shit to find. If I want to point out the errors in the prophecies of the JW or discuss Joe Smith’s outlook, I am perfectly capable of finding far more objective and reliable sources. I like his “regular” gospel tracts ie, ones without any of the anti-Catholic/anti-Mason/anti-evolution etc. theories and just hit the message “Believe in Jesus”. Too bad such an original and brilliant idea as cartoon religious tracts was turned into an ultra-fundie and anti-Catholic hotbed. > [@](#): > > Chick is biased, his research is completely laughable, and he has no credibility with anyone who has any respect for the truth. What’s more, his SOURCES are also laughable and suffer a similar lack of credibility. Just look up [Kent “Dr. Dino” Hovind,](http://www.kent-hovind.com/) for instance. Chick often cites Hovind as a source. I’m delighted to report that Hovind is currently serving 10 years for tax evasion. I’m a theistic evolutionist and I think Hovind for instance is a fraud and a tax cheat. I also think a lot of Chick’s “partners” such as Alberto Riviera, Rebecca Brown, and so on are quite insane too. > [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Chick has done a tract about how the King James Bible is the only “real” version and how King James was so great for creating it. I think he should do a tract about how much King James loved to suck and blow on dicks and make love to other men. Proof King James was gay? ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/28 "2009-12-11T05:05:39Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Chick has done a tract about how the King James Bible is the only “real” version and how King James was so great for creating it. I think he should do a tract about how much King James loved to suck and blow on dicks and make love to other men. [Chick’s response to such questions](http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_03.asp). It’s interesting that he (well, actually a certain Dr. Samuel Gipp, but it’s published by Chick) seems to avoid the actual issue as much as possible, as if King James being a wise scholar and driving force behind the King James Bible means that he must be straight. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/29 "2009-12-11T05:39:09Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Proof King James was gay? [Here ya go.](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/James_I%2C_VI_by_John_de_Critz%2C_c.1606..png) Although in this particular picture, historians agree he was trying to up his “street” or “pimp” cred with the fur coat and hat. He, of course, wasn’t fooling anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/30 "2009-12-11T05:58:14Z")
I was going to link to that picture, but then I figured it would be too sarcastic and not directly addressing the point, which is that most scholars agree that King James’s relationship with male courtiers went far beyond what was typical even for that time; his own contemporaries referred to him as homosexual and claimed that he “fucked the Duke of Buckingham,” and homosexual courtiers like Henry Wriothesley who were imprisoned at the end of Elizabeth’s reign (for reasons unrelated to sexuality) were freed and became figures at court again as soon as James took over. He wrote letters to George Villiers calling him “my sweet child and wife”; he had a secret passageway built which linked their bedrooms together. There is very little debate today about whether King James was gay, except among Christians who are unable to reconcile his obvious homosexuality with his advances for Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/31 "2009-12-11T11:14:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I like his “regular” gospel tracts ie, ones without any of the anti-Catholic/anti-Mason/anti-evolution etc. theories and just hit the message “Believe in Jesus”. Since I’m an atheist, no, I wouldn’t use those tracts. However, even if I DID believe in the Christian god/Jesus, I wouldn’t use Chick tracts. He has a reputation for being hateful and just plain WRONG about so many things that he’s simply not a credible source for anything. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/32 "2009-12-12T18:06:38Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I was going to link to that picture, but then I figured it would be too sarcastic and not directly addressing the point, which is that most scholars agree that King James’s relationship with male courtiers went far beyond what was typical even for that time; his own contemporaries referred to him as homosexual and claimed that he “fucked the Duke of Buckingham,” and homosexual courtiers like Henry Wriothesley who were imprisoned at the end of Elizabeth’s reign (for reasons unrelated to sexuality) were freed and became figures at court again as soon as James took over. He wrote letters to George Villiers calling him “my sweet child and wife”; he had a secret passageway built which linked their bedrooms together. There is very little debate today about whether King James was gay, except among Christians who are unable to reconcile his obvious homosexuality with his advances for Christianity. Linky please. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/33 "2009-12-12T18:10:27Z")
Also since this probably fits in a thread about Jack Chick there are some Christian fundies who think Jack Chick preaches a “works” gospel for arguing that to be saved you must turn from sin. [http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Lordship%20Salvation/bad\_tracts.htm](http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Lordship%20Salvation/bad_tracts.htm) ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/34 "2009-12-12T19:45:55Z")
I very much wish he’d abandon & denounce his anti-Catholicism & patronage of Todd, Rivera, Rebecca Brown & William Schoebelin, all various “Conspiracy” hoaxers. He parted ways with Brown but never denounced her. His Bible-based tracts are some of the best out there, but even they are often tainted by one or two panels of anti-Catholic or other extremism. And even those that aren’t still carry “guilt by association”. This documentary is a MUST SEE for anyone interested in Chickology! I’m watching this as I write- OMG! It has Brown and FRED CARTER! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/35 "2009-12-12T20:12:20Z")
If I were still a Rapturist & Chick did the fore-mentioned repentance, I’d really love to see a re-issue of the original THE BEAST, in which the AntiChrist just wears a regular business suit. Alas, that was changed to Papal robes in the late 1970s. Just got done watching the documentary. Interesting & amazingly respectful- especially from Church of the SubGenius founder Rev. Ivan Stang. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/36 "2009-12-12T20:14:57Z")
I forgot to link two entries up… [http://www.sling.com/video/show/161351/38/God's-Cartoonist:-The-Comic-Crusade](http://www.sling.com/video/show/161351/38/God%27s-Cartoonist:-The-Comic-Crusade) Thanks to Alistair McCello for pointing it out here… > **[Jack Chick Documentary Available Online!](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=543597)** > > Not sure where to post this. I know that Jack Chick threads traditionally go in the pit but given that this is a documentary film I figured I would put it here. It was mentioned on the boards a few months ago but as far as I know no one found a way... ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/37 "2009-12-12T20:18:17Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Also since this probably fits in a thread about Jack Chick there are some Christian fundies who think Jack Chick preaches a “works” gospel for arguing that to be saved you must turn from sin. [http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Lordship%20Salvation/bad\_tracts.htm](http://jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Doctrines/Lordship%20Salvation/bad_tracts.htm) There’s an interesting thing here. Several of Chick’s more recent pubs take a new approach and link backsliding to loss of salvation, at least until fresh repentance. This is quite different from all of Chick’s early tracts and full-sized comics. As one of the clearest example, we see the backslider in “Sabotage” straightened out by the team of Tim and James, and told that “God doesn’t expect you to do it again.” But there is not one word about losing salvation during this time. It seems that the worst that could happen is that he would be extremely embarrassed at the Second Coming. (Which, of course, way back in the mid-70’s, was SOON!) What I found interesting from your link is that JTC is criticized with his early tracts, for implying that you can only receive salvation by accepting Lordship, and being determined to turn away from all sin. (Although he warns against wanting to “clean yourself up first” and makes a point of stating that only God and Christ can accomplish the actual cleaning-up in your life.) Your linked author points out that from the beginning JTC specified these requirements on the back of tracts. Interestingly enough, the author also read his Statement of Faith, and claims that Chick had it correct there, contradicting himself elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/38 "2009-12-13T03:49:00Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Linky please. [Your wish is my command:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_I_of_England#Personal_relationships) > [@](#): > > Throughout his life James was rumoured to have had love affairs with male courtiers, in particular Esmé Stewart, 6th Lord d’Aubigny (later 1st Duke of Lennox); Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset; and George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham. In his own time he was notorious for his male loves, and it was said of him that Elizabeth was King, now James is Queen (Rex fuit Elizabeth, nunc est regina Jacobus). referring to his position of power in post-elizabethan times. However, this was often misread to mean other things. Some modern historians disagree: “The evidence of his correspondence and contemporary accounts have led some historians to conclude that the king was homosexual or bisexual. In fact, the issue is murky.” (Bucholz, 2004) In Basilikon Doron, James lists sodomy among crimes “ye are bound in conscience never to forgive”. At age 23, James and 300 of his men performed a dramatic rescue of Anne of Denmark when she was stranded on the coast of Norway. They married and she gave birth to seven children, some sources say nine children, only three of whom survived. James also had a documented two year affair with Anne Murray, later with Lady Glamis, to whom he wrote poetry. > > However, restoration of Apethorpe Hall, undertaken 2004-2008, revealed a previously unknown passage linking the bedchambers of James and his favourite, George Villiers. There’s also a [link](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_relationships_of_James_I_of_England) there that describes these relationships more extensively. James’s own words on his feelings for the Duke of Buckingham: > [@](#): > > I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George. He also addressed the man himself: > [@](#): > > James in some letters addressed him as his spouse saying that “I desire only to live in this world for your sake… I had rather live banished in any part of the Earth with you than live a sorrowful widow’s life without you… God bless you, my sweet child and wife, and grant that ye may ever be a comfort to your dear dad and husband”. Judge for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![StoutHearted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@StoutHearted](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StoutHearted)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/39 "2009-12-13T05:05:31Z")
There are numerous scholarly references to King James’ bisexuality – it’s no secret, it wasn’t a secret even in his own times. Guinastasia posted some good leads. I never understood Chick’s motives. His pamphlets seem to preach the opposite of Christ’s teachings. Some of them are downright paranoid, such as his rant against Dungeons & Dragons. The tracts come across as the rantings of a sad, sick man who rails against any culture he doesn’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-situation-you-might-use-chick-tracts/520549/40 "2009-12-13T05:32:07Z")
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