# Any Trump supporters here? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 23, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349 "2015-09-23T22:34:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/101 "2016-02-18T18:11:52Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Like say Australia or New Zealand or all of South America. > > The issue isn’t _immigration_ it’s an utterly fucked up, hopelessly unrealistic and provincial national self image. > > Dump the fucking wagon trains and the WW2 heroism already - pretty much everything the US experiences has happened a hundred times eleswhere. Often hundreds of years before. > > Please, just get the fuck over yourselves. Why? Being #1 has its privileges. ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/102 "2016-02-18T18:38:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why? Being #1 has its privileges. But pretending to be #1 has its drawbacks. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/103 "2016-02-18T21:04:22Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > As for the specific criticisms raised, I don’t think his actions are making other Republican candidates look more “respectable”. Indeed most of the criticisms of the Cuban candidates for TRUMP has been from the right-insinuating he isn’t a real conservative because of his past stance on abortion or his attacks on Bush. That may benefit them in the primaries (although it’s doubtful) but certainly won’t in the general election when the Democratic party machine can turn its big guns on such genuine extreme right-wingers. If anything the threat would have been bigger without TRUMP-any GOP candidate that emerged from a "normal’ primary would have been far more of a shill for the Wall Street (think of the prospect of electing an anti-union archreactionary like Scott Walker to national office!). And if Donald is actually elected President-so what? He’s undoubtedly vastly preferable to virtually any other serious Republican candidate (and no Kasich is not a serious contender for the GOP nomination, **adaher** notwithstanding). Nothing would have been more destructive of my faith in democracy then the American people voting for third Bush term in the form of either Jeb! or Rubio. At least with TRUMP, they are voting for something at least somewhat different. Qin, I’ve already noted you - and warned someone else - about your insinuations about Rubio’s sexuality. Being coy and putting his name in pink only demonstrates that you know exactly what you’re doing. If you wish to continue posting at the SDMB you will straighten up immediately. Warning issued. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/104 "2016-02-19T00:39:21Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Those founding immigrants all came from the same place and had roughly the same values. Assimilation was not really an issue. Even throughout the 1900’s immigrants mostly came from Northern and Western Europe. Cultural differences were not so vast that assimilation to American society would be so difficult. Not really true. From today’s perspective, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism looks starkly different than Christianity, but in the nineteenth century the Protestant majority (when they were not bickering over whether Baptists or Methodists should be regarded as acceptable) looked on the incoming Catholics as utterly removed from good “American” values. There were fierce tracts issued right up to WWII warning of the dangers of Southern and Eastern Europeans. And while there were immigrant communities in the U.S. who held on to their religion, language, and foods right up until the 1950s, Doug Saunders has demonstrated that the Muslim immigrants to Europe (from both the M.E.N.A. region as well as from Iraq, Iran, and India), (prior to the current war-driven migration), were assimilating quite well into European culture. Assimilation is always an issue and there are groups who readily assimilate and groups who do not so readily assimilate–and the rate of assimilation is often based on the welcome or hostility they face on the local level. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/105 "2016-02-19T01:51:39Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Those founding immigrants all came from the same place and had roughly the same values. Assimilation was not really an issue. Even throughout the 1900’s immigrants mostly came from Northern and Western Europe. Cultural differences were not so vast that assimilation to American society would be so difficult. Most immigrants to the U.S. today come from Latin America and the Caribbean. If there is such a thing as “Western Civilization” that includes both Europe and the U.S., then it also includes Latin America and the Caribbean. What’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/106 "2016-02-19T01:59:51Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Like say Australia or New Zealand or all of South America. > > The issue isn’t _immigration_ it’s an utterly fucked up, hopelessly unrealistic and provincial national self image. > > Dump the fucking wagon trains and the WW2 heroism already - pretty much everything the US experiences has happened a hundred times eleswhere. Often hundreds of years before. > > Please, just get the fuck over yourselves. Yes, I actually mentioned Australia to my students as an example (there are many others) of why “American exceptionalism” is mostly such a crock. They engaged in a respectful and interesting debate with each other about this (“American exceptionalism” in all its guises, not jus about immigration.) ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/107 "2016-02-19T14:29:14Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Not really true. > > From today’s perspective, Islam, Buddhism, or Hinduism looks starkly different than Christianity, but in the nineteenth century the Protestant majority (when they were not bickering over whether Baptists or Methodists should be regarded as acceptable) looked on the incoming Catholics as utterly removed from good “American” values. > > There were fierce tracts issued right up to WWII warning of the dangers of Southern and Eastern Europeans. > > And while there were immigrant communities in the U.S. who held on to their religion, language, and foods right up until the 1950s, Doug Saunders has demonstrated that the Muslim immigrants to Europe (from both the M.E.N.A. region as well as from Iraq, Iran, and India), (prior to the current war-driven migration), were assimilating quite well into European culture. > > Assimilation is always an issue and there are groups who readily assimilate and groups who do not so readily assimilate–and the rate of assimilation is often based on the welcome or hostility they face on the local level. Fair point regarding the contentious attitude toward early Catholic immigrants. But would you say they did not readily assimilate? > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Most immigrants to the U.S. today come from Latin America and the Caribbean. If there is such a thing as “Western Civilization” that includes both Europe and the U.S., then it also includes Latin America and the Caribbean. What’s the difference? Agreed. Do immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean have difficulty assimilating? ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/108 "2016-02-19T14:35:16Z")
Back in January, we were at my FIL’s for his birthday. Somehow, the conversation turned to the election, at which point he offered that Trump had a lot of good ideas, and that his second choice would be Ben Carson. A statement like that pretty much knocked my wife and me back on our heels, and we quickly changed the topic. So they are out there, you just need to know where to look. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/109 "2016-02-20T04:41:04Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Agreed. Do immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean have difficulty assimilating? Compared to previous generations of immigrants, no, not especially. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/110 "2016-02-20T10:56:49Z")
I’d love to pick the brain of one of the Trump supporters they found on the Triumph Hulu election special. They had segments with fake Fox News reporters asking Republicans about various “breaking news” absurdities. My favorite: the dude who responded to “did Trump go too far in calling for Puerto Ricans to be sterilized ‘until we get this thing figured out’?” with an enthusiastic “he’s not going far enough!”. Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/111 "2016-02-20T12:22:11Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’d love to pick the brain of one of the Trump supporters they found on the Triumph Hulu election special. Aw, you’re sweet. Try to find something nice, but, you know, tasteful. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349/112 "2016-02-20T14:07:11Z")
Lol…then he wouldn’t be a Trump supporter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-trump-supporters-here/732349.md?page=5)