# Any White Sox fans? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 20, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602 "2005-09-20T21:15:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/21 "2005-09-21T15:19:28Z")
Some of the drama of this historic collapse (assuming it happens) is removed by the fact that the Sox could choke up their 15 game lead, and still make the playoffs as a wild card. But still… ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/22 "2005-09-21T15:39:32Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’ve never had any particular beef witrh the White Sox, but every time i hear those godawful commentators of theirs, i just fiund myself prayiong for a White Sox loss. I could not fucking watch White Sox games because of those two. Darren Jackson isn’t good, they both sound bored, but the fucking Hawk is terrible. By the way, is it me, or are the announcers more open about being homers in Chicago? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/23 "2005-09-21T15:42:05Z")
Look to the Manager. When you publicly castigate your players almost daily, performance will drop. Additionally, much of the pitching staff was pitching better than history would have expected. They have come back to earth. On Worst team ever: Red Sox (Who I hate as only a Yankee fan can hate) are off the list. The team with the most losses all time and only 1 WS victory is the Phillies. Of any of the 16 old teams they have the lowest all time winning percentage and accumulating losses since 1883 they actually have more losses than the Cubs and every other team in the history of the world. (No other team has the games played except the original NL teams) Philadelphia Phillies (1890 - 1942,1945 - 2004) - 1 World Championship, 5 Pennants, and 9 Playoff Appearances Philadelphia Blue Jays (1943, 1944) Philadelphia Quakers (1883 - 1889) Thank you to Excel and [Baseball Reference](http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/PHI/) Aggregate record 8591-9805 0.467 They are within stiking range of 10000 losses now. The WhiteSox are attempting a collaspe to rival the 51 Dodgers, 78 Red Sox and 63 or 64 **Phillies** _{I can’t remember the Year, it does seem to be as famous as the other 2}_ ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/24 "2005-09-21T15:45:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Some of the drama of this historic collapse (assuming it happens) is removed by the fact that the Sox could choke up their 15 game lead, and still make the playoffs as a wild card. But still… Perhaps. Even if they make it, I’d be stunned if they made it out of the first round. And given the way they were lapping the field two months ago, that’s still a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/25 "2005-09-21T15:47:35Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I don’t follow the AL Central all that closely…but just what the hell is going on there, anyway!!! Cleveland’s going on. Yeah baby. YEAH! ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/26 "2005-09-21T16:15:10Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > The team with the most losses all time and only 1 WS victory is the Phillies. … They are within stiking range of 10000 losses now. Ahhh, screw you for bringing it up. We prefer to suffer quietly, unlike those martyrs in Chicago. And it was 1964. Friggin’ Mauch. ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/27 "2005-09-21T16:30:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > By the way, is it me, or are the announcers more open about being homers in Chicago? I don’t have a lot of points of comparison, but IMO they’re pretty bad. I don’t have a TV, so this is based on radio play-by-play. The Cubs radio guys are just ridiculous homers, far worse than the Sox guys. Santo, I’m looking at you here. Please stop whooping when the Cubs do something good. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/28 "2005-09-21T16:31:26Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Ahhh, screw you for bringing it up. We prefer to suffer quietly, unlike those martyrs in Chicago. > And it was 1964. Friggin’ Mauch. LOL Thanks on the 1964 part. I couldn’t verify. You’re right. Phillie fan are very good at not being loud feel sorry for me matyr like certain New England Fans were known to me. Silent sufferers. ---
**Author:** ![mazinger\_z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@mazinger\_z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mazinger_z)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/29 "2005-09-21T17:06:29Z")
> [@Kyla](#): > > I don’t have a lot of points of comparison, but IMO they’re pretty bad. I don’t have a TV, so this is based on radio play-by-play. The Cubs radio guys are just ridiculous homers, far worse than the Sox guys. Santo, I’m looking at you here. Please stop whooping when the Cubs do something good. I am a Sox fan, though I don’t follow their history as much as I should. My dad is a die hard Cubs fan, and even he can’t stand the guys on the radio (that’s you Santo, in particular). I would take Hawk and DJ any day over Ron Santo and Pat Hughes. In Chicago, a lot of good points were made regarding the park and neighborhood (i.e. liquor). Wrigley, despite its many failings (the homoerotic/turkish bath style urinals don’t help) has ivy and nostalgia. Comiskey is a fusion of old style retro parks and modern day parks. As in food, imo, fusion in architecture (well, baseball stadiums) don’t mix. There really isn’t much to do before, during, or after the game. With the media giant WGN broadcasting games all over the world, it’s no wonder everyone identifies Chicago with the Cubs over the White Sox. To the OP: the Sox have been seriously lacking in the lumber department all year. They are seriously lacking it now. Pitching, while still great, can’t win every game. There isn’t that much depth, either, not like the Tribe, in either hitting or pitching. Over the course of 162 games, pitchers become hittable and batters become tired. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/30 "2005-09-21T18:52:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I could not fucking watch White Sox games because of those two. Darren Jackson isn’t good, they both sound bored, but the fucking Hawk is terrible. By the way, is it me, or are the announcers more open about being homers in Chicago? Absolutely. This is a Chicago tradition, dating back to Jack Brickhouse (and possibly before; my father tells me that Brickhouse copied the style from earlier Chicago radio announcers). To me, it’s jarring to travel to other cities and hear announcers that _aren’t_ homers. I don’t mind Hawk and DJ myself but I totally understand how they would be intolerable to anyone who wasn’t a White Sox fan. Regarding Cubs dominance in Chicago, even when attendance was similar in the 1970’s and early 1980’s, the Cubs had **way** more fans. They just didn’t start filling up the park until the North Side re-gentrified and a lot of people started living close to the ballpark. The Cubs were more aggressive in getting their games onto radio and television, throughout the Midwest, in the early days of both media, and they benefited from the more affluent (and, in days of segregated baseball, whiter) population that lived on the North Side in the early 1900’s and fanned out into the suburbs and passed the Cubbies on (like a genetic disease) to their children. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/31 "2005-09-21T19:20:28Z")
> [@mazinger\_z](#): > > (the homoerotic/turkish bath style urinals don’t help) Can anyone fill me in on what the hell that is? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/32 "2005-09-21T19:34:02Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Can anyone fill me in on what the hell that is? Wrigley has strange horse trow-like urinals that were popular when Wrigley was built in 1912. Not WORK SAFE (I don’t know why) [http://images.google.com/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=urinals+Wrigley](http://images.google.com/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=urinals+Wrigley) ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/33 "2005-09-21T21:00:17Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > Wrigley has strange horse trow-like urinals that were popular when Wrigley was built in 1912. > Not WORK SAFE (I don’t know why) > [http://images.google.com/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=urinals+Wrigley](http://images.google.com/images?svnum=30&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=urinals+Wrigley) I’ll take the trough over the urinal every time when I’ve got a game to get back to. You can have fun standing in line. Even in ballparks built in the last few years (Soldier Field, United Center) the waits can be longer then the troughs which have a hell of alot higher demand. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/34 "2005-09-21T22:58:29Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’ll take the trough over the urinal every time when I’ve got a game to get back to. You can have fun standing in line. Even in ballparks built in the last few years (Soldier Field, United Center) the waits can be longer then the troughs which have a hell of alot higher demand. I was answering the question, not condemning the troughs. Yankee stadium has a definate shortage of bathrooms as does Shea. The old Veterans stadium actually smelled like a bathroom. I like Wrigley alot. I was only there twice. The troughs were fine but different. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/35 "2005-09-21T23:20:31Z")
I knew that, probably should have quoted the earlier poster. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/36 "2005-09-21T23:42:15Z")
> [@mazinger\_z](#): > > In Chicago, a lot of good points were made regarding the park and neighborhood (i.e. liquor). Wrigley, despite its many failings (the homoerotic/turkish bath style urinals don’t help) has ivy and nostalgia. Comiskey is a fusion of old style retro parks and modern day parks. As in food, imo, fusion in architecture (well, baseball stadiums) don’t mix. There really isn’t much to do before, during, or after the game. Speaking as an outside observer - a Blue Jays fan from Toronto - who’s been to both parks, I gotta tell you, Comiskey’s a lot nicer than Wrigley. Yeah, it’s in a bad neighborhood. But in terms of the stadium itself, it’s superior in every way. Wrigley has ivy; Comiskey doesn’t smell like piss, has better ballpark food, and just looks terrific. It’s a really nice park. As to the current pennant race, Sox fans should bear in mind that even if the Indians streak to the end and win the division, the Sox would likely still make the playoffs. They’re four games ahead of the Yankees, who have had to get hot just to get that close. There’s not that much time left; even 6-6 the rest of the way means New York has to go 11-1 to pass them. Plus they’re 3.5 ahead of Cleveland and Boston. They’d have to collapse even worse than the current slump AND have Boston, New York, and Cleveland all play really well to miss the playoffs. I know it’s possible, but it’s really, really unlikely, much unlikelier than I think people realize - I’d say the odds of Chicago missing the playoffs are like one in a hundred, tops. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602/37 "2005-09-21T23:54:09Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > I’ll take the trough over the urinal every time when I’ve got a game to get back to. You can have fun standing in line. Even in ballparks built in the last few years (Soldier Field, United Center) the waits can be longer then the troughs which have a hell of alot higher demand. Agree. [hijack]I’ve been going to Wrigley since I was 7 (which was in 1969 - how’s that for a formative experience?) So I’m used to the troughs. I’m also been in my share of clubs, bars and concert venues where women got tired of long bathroom lines and invaded the men’s john. No big deal. Hell, certain trendy spots have gone unisex. But it was seriously weird to see women in the Wrigley johns earlier this month. Not at a game, of course. At Wrigley’s first ever concert. (Good concert. Although I’m still not much of a Buffet fan, he knows how to put on a show.) [/hijack] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-white-sox-fans/322602.md?page=1)