# Any WWE fans in the audience? (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** boxing-wrestling-mma\ **Created:** [June 5, 2014, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124 "2014-06-05T15:34:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 226
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4503 "2016-07-17T19:22:02Z")
According to what I’ve read, NYSAC only licenses and penalizes wrestling _promoters_, not individual wrestlers. So even if Nevada suspends Brock and New York honors that suspension in terms of MMA, they don’t have the power to suspend him from wrestling. They could potentially fine WWE for putting on the fight, but I’ve also read that NYSAC’s rules prohibit such things as “wrestlers fighting in the stands” and “wrestlers wearing a mask”, and WWE finds it easier to pay the fine than to comply with the rules. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4504 "2016-07-18T00:29:07Z")
The NYSAC “Rules” for professional wrestling/sports entertainment are quite funny. Masks are not covered (as far as I could find). Here are some of the special rules pertaining to wrestling matches > [@](#): > > §8928-b. Professional wrestling; promoters. > > 1. For the purposes of this act, “professional wrestling” shall mean an activity in which participants struggle hand-in-hand primarily for the purpose of providing entertainment to spectators and which does not comprise a bona fide athletic contest or competition. > > §216.11 Tactics forbidden to wrestlers. Wrestlers are prohibited from indulging in the following unfair or foul tactics: striking, scratching, gouging, butting or unnecessarily punitive strangleholds. Any unsportsmanlike or physically dangerous conduct or tactics by any wrestler during an exhibition entitles the referee to stop the exhibition and award the decision to the other wrestler > > §216.12 Conduct of seconds. Seconds, managers and coaches may not touch a wrestler during an exhibition, neither shall they give any advice or coaching until a rest period is declared. > > §216.17 Where wrestling must take place. All wrestling must take place within the ropes. Wrestlers deliberately throwing opponents out of the ring are guilty of a foul and the referee may therefore award the exhibition to the fouled wrestler. > > §216.18 Effect of wrestler leaving ring. No wrestler shall deliberately leave the enclosed ring during the course of an exhibition, and if the offense is repeated after once given warnings by the referee, a penalty fall will be scored against him or her by the referee. > > §216.25 Wrestler=s conduct toward third parties. No wrestler shall molest, hit or abuse any spectator, referee or judge, or engage in any unsportsmanlike conduct. They devote a rather large section (compared, at least, to these) on tag team wrestling. One simply cannot make this shit up. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4505 "2016-07-18T12:08:12Z")
So the rules for the draft have been announced, and 6 NXT spots are available. Who do we think is being called up? Remember that tag-teams count as 1 pick. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4506 "2016-07-18T13:13:23Z")
My guesses: Finn Bayley American Alpha Austin Ares Carmella or Alexa Tye Dillinger They won’t bring up Joe (he has the title) or Nakamura just yet because they need SOME star power there, and I think NXT is going to wait until they develop a little bit more talent before calling one (or both) of them up ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4507 "2016-07-18T15:37:55Z")
NYSAC [has issued a statement](http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/0718/614668/exclusive-new-york-state-provides-statement-on-brock-lesnar/) saying that whether or not Brock works Summerslam is WWE’s call and that any suspension issued against him won’t stop it from happening. The statement mentions that the law in NY was amended in 2002 to recognize wrestling as a work - I’m guessing a lot of the odder statutes mentioned above are relics from the days when wrestling was on the up-and-up (or at least presented to authorities as being such). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4508 "2016-07-18T15:54:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > NYSAC [has issued a statement](http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2016/0718/614668/exclusive-new-york-state-provides-statement-on-brock-lesnar/) saying that whether or not Brock works Summerslam is WWE’s call and that any suspension issued against him won’t stop it from happening. > > The statement mentions that the law in NY was amended in 2002 to recognize wrestling as a work - I’m guessing a lot of the odder statutes mentioned above are relics from the days when wrestling was on the up-and-up (or at least presented to authorities as being such). Sure, the state is not in control any more, but now the heat is on the WWE to justify Brock wrestling under their Wellness Policy. Other wrestlers who have been suspended could turn around and sue Vince if he lets Brock wrestle. I hadn’t seen Brock admit to anything yet, I recall him saying something like he “wanted to get to the bottom of it”, which is suspicious to me right away because he didn’t say “I didn’t do it”. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4509 "2016-07-18T16:35:59Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > My guesses: > > Finn > Bayley > American Alpha > Austin Ares > Carmella or Alexa > Tye Dillinger Six from NXT are supposed to be called up. Don’t know if tag teams are considered 1 unit in their case. Agree with your first three, and maybe Carmella to balance the face vs heel women count, and to make more heat magic with Enzo & Cass. I think there’s a strong possibility for Mojo Rawley to go directly to Superstars. 🙂 Since AA seems to be working a feud with No Way Jose, not now but later. They seem to want more old timers like Rhyno to work with the up-and-comings. I don’t think Tye’s ready yet. He connects with the audience and he’s done really good work, but his mic work isn’t anything remarkable. What’s the status of Eric Young and Bobby Roode? Their foots are in the door but they haven’t stepped all the way through yet. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4510 "2016-07-18T17:12:25Z")
Finn, American Alpha and Bayley I think are givens. Of course, I can see them NOT calling up Bayley and we burn the place down. 😃 I don’t see them calling up Carmella yet. She isn’t ready. I’m thinking Bayley, Nia and Asuka, but that would either require a vacated title and a tournament crowning either Carmella or Bliss (who is improving, but should stay in NXT as well). I’d say call up Joe, but who is he facing at Brooklyn again? Maybe Finn, Shinsuke, Alpha, Austin Ares, Bayley, Nia. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4511 "2016-07-18T17:15:16Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Sure, the state is not in control any more, but now the heat is on the WWE to justify Brock wrestling under their Wellness Policy. Other wrestlers who have been suspended could turn around and sue Vince if he lets Brock wrestle. > > I hadn’t seen Brock admit to anything yet, I recall him saying something like he “wanted to get to the bottom of it”, which is suspicious to me right away because he didn’t say “I didn’t do it”. Why, to both paragraphs? I’m not going to hunt down and read the WWE Wellness Policy, but I presume that it is WWE tests that exclude wrestlers, not third party tests. If third party tests are included, then I would agree. As for being picayune over the choice of words, “getting to the bottom of it” could just as well mean wanting to find out how he tested positive _if_ he didn’t do anything. [Unrelated P.S. - the paragraphs I posted earlier were from the latest available revision, circa 2010] ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4512 "2016-07-18T17:43:16Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Why, to both paragraphs? I’m not going to hunt down and read the WWE Wellness Policy, but I presume that it is WWE tests that exclude wrestlers, not third party tests. If third party tests are included, then I would agree. WWE fired Billy Gunn earlier this year for failing a third-party drug test, so the precedent exists. If they wanted to pay the barest amount of lip service to it, they could say something like “Well, we learned about it the second week of July, so that’s when his 30-day suspension began, and wouldn’t you know it, we didn’t have him scheduled to appear until after the time it ended anyway”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4513 "2016-07-18T18:30:07Z")
Fair enough - I didn’t remember that (though to be fair, I remember as little as possible about Billy Gunn, and whenever I do remember something, I kill those brain cells right away). ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4514 "2016-07-18T18:36:51Z")
They have been very strict for a while now. Even approved drugs used for medical reasons have to be approved by their doctor because there’s potential for abuse. How they’ll handle it though is open to question, I have no idea how they apply it to part time talent like Brock. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4515 "2016-07-18T20:04:57Z")
Have Brock job to Orton. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4516 "2016-07-18T20:10:23Z")
I agree that Carmella and Alexa are both probably too green, but that certainly didn’t stop them from calling up Dana too quickly. I’m actually just trying to think like them. Same with Tye. Yeah he gets over, but if they call him up, who replaces him as the “guy everyone knows but loses to the new/big people” like CJ Parker and Tyler Breeze were? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4517 "2016-07-18T20:43:06Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Same with Tye. Yeah he gets over, but if they call him up, who replaces him as the “guy everyone knows but loses to the new/big people” like CJ Parker and Tyler Breeze were? Angelo Dawkins? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4518 "2016-07-18T20:51:28Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > If they wanted to pay the barest amount of lip service to it, they could say something like “Well, we learned about it the second week of July, so that’s when his 30-day suspension began, and wouldn’t you know it, we didn’t have him scheduled to appear until after the time it ended anyway”. We have a winner here, I predict. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4519 "2016-07-18T20:55:22Z")
I’d love to see Trips scheduled to work an event in Madison Square Garden, only to have the NYSAC show up with a pee cup. Maybe one for Vince too, if he steps out from behind the curtain. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4520 "2016-07-19T01:00:59Z")
ok, wanted to hear Enzo go “And this here is John Cena. And you can’t teach that!” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4521 "2016-07-19T12:31:25Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124/4522 "2016-07-19T12:46:57Z")
That was an interesting promo with Enzo talking all modern urban and Cena not connecting with him, suggesting that his youth connection has now expired. Foreshadowing for the errant forearm in the ensuing match. AJ Styles and his soccer mom haircut, HAH! I finally get the that sense AJ & the Club are no longer outsiders. While I’m happy Foley and Bryan are back on TV, I’m not sure it’ll work, unless they turn heel. Bryan’s appeal is that he overcame adversity and maintained a steadfast cheerfulness throughout all his constant shitstorms. That being said, he’s been a good crybaby heel before. His pairing with Kane was classic. If that Daniel Bryan could turn into a weasely GM, it could work. Let’s face it, authority figures have to be heels. I’m not so sure about Foley. He’s an iconoclast for sure. I saw his standup show and he signed my book, so I love him. But as an authority figure? The unhinged psychopath who nearly killed himself in the ring? Sure, if RAW goes family-unfriendly, but not as straight man to Stephanie’s entitled bitch princess character. He’s the type who would kidnap her and talk to her in the third person as she whimpers in a 30-ft deep pit, not be her stooge. So, is Darren Young great again yet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124.md?page=225) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-wwe-fans-in-the-audience-part-1/690124.md?page=227)