# Anybody who’s on the fence about Biden, or think he’s “lost a step” mentally should listen to this interview **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 23, 2023, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049 "2023-12-23T16:59:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/101 "2023-12-26T14:37:34Z")
> [@jlh3rd](#): > > I know corruptness, lies, and evil when I see it. That I rather doubt. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/102 "2023-12-26T14:48:01Z")
Republicans elected and continue to support a criminal, and somehow it’s the Democrat’s fault? Maddening. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/103 "2023-12-26T15:16:54Z")
I was at a holiday gathering where husband/wife Trump supporters packaged up Trump hats as white elephant gifts. They naturally started hoot hooting about Trump once their victims opened the “gifts”. The husband contended that Trump should be re-elected so that he could “fix the economy”. Maddening, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/104 "2023-12-26T15:32:17Z")
Moderating: > [@jlh3rd](#): > > what the left accuses the right of doing, is EXACTLY what the left …you…are doing. > Your statement is a lie. > [@jlh3rd](#): > > that’s a lie. You can label, rationalize, impose idiotic words like " projection"…any word salad you choose to use “harris” , ok? > Your statement is another pompous lie. > [@jlh3rd](#): > > I’ve read through that …drivel. Ya’ll can pat yourselves on your backs all you want. > I know corruptness, lies, and evil when I see it. I don’t need the left to tell me what I actually see. > Pissing on my boot again? It is against our rules to accuse someone of lying in this forum. Moreover, your tone is confrontational and patronizing. Dial it back, and don’t engage in calling others a liar again. No warning. This time. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/105 "2023-12-26T15:38:38Z")
Moderating: To all participating: This thread is not about Trump, nor is it a thread for hurling insults at other posters. Take that to the Pit, and return to the topic at hand. If you’ve nothing to contribute to this topic, then leave it. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/106 "2023-12-26T16:10:46Z")
I agree with the OP, despite having previously expressed concerns about Biden looking frail. I mean, he does look frail, but the words out his mouth remain logical, principled and astute. And in agree with how the media does him dirty, on both sides. Let’s consider the economy for example. Many of the metrics: jobs, growth, stock market etc were horrible when Biden took over, and implicitly Trump is given a pass for all of it because of covid. Meanwhile for Biden, everything’s great except inflation (and even that is fantastic compared to the rest of the world) and no mention of covid in that context, it’s all Biden’s fault. Somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/107 "2023-12-26T16:15:36Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > At this point I’m convinced that “Democrats hate Biden” is the new “Walkaway”, a deliberate astroturfed message being endlessly pushed and parroted by those who want to weaken Biden’s chances of re-election, either to benefit Trump or because a more contentious election is good for ratings. > > In 2020 Biden was about 5th on my list of preferred Democratic nominees and I thought at best he would be good in office by being not-Trump. Instead, he has far exceeded all my expectations, with record economic growth, low unemployment, a manufacturing boom, the infrastructure development Trump promised for four years and never delivered, America’s global influence restrengthened, handling of the war in Ukraine, etc etc. > > But Americans think the economy is bad and that Biden is senile, incompetent and corrupt. Because the one thing the right are _really_ good at is lying. After all of the above, I reiterate: the first sentence is speculation and the last sentence is an opinion (albeit both based on experience and observation). Everything else is demonstrably true. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/108 "2023-12-26T21:32:28Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Really? Yes- Really= > **[President: general election Polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/)** > > The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight. Harris and newsome vs trump is not bad at all. > [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I’m pretty sure Hilary would have won if Comey had not decided to make his last minute announcement. I could be wrong, obviously, but last minute things can have an affect on an outcome. 538 said three things lost the election for her- The Comey Memo Poor election planning Relentless negative campaigning, even by members of her own party. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/109 "2023-12-27T01:20:22Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Let’s consider the economy for example. Many of the metrics: jobs, growth, stock market etc were horrible when Biden took over, and implicitly Trump is given a pass for all of it because of covid. Meanwhile for Biden, everything’s great except inflation (and even that is fantastic compared to the rest of the world) and no mention of covid in that context, it’s all Biden’s fault. Somehow. It’s a matter of perspective. It’s not so much that Trump is given a pass for the economy. It’s that he did so many things that were so much worse that being responsible for a stock market downturn doesn’t even register. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/110 "2023-12-27T01:38:18Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I mean, he does look frail I see him looking _old_, but not frail. He rides bikes. He walks without issue; his balance is fine, and he doesn’t drag his feet. A recent picture had him standing on a step stool. He isn’t slouching; he looks trim. [![](https://i.ibb.co/qBZVTMj/C50-F97-D6-EFFF-4481-BF14-DA66-D6-AFA226.webp) ](https://i.ibb.co/qBZVTMj/C50-F97-D6-EFFF-4481-BF14-DA66-D6-AFA226.webp) A lot of 80 year olds are doddering. Biden is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/111 "2023-12-27T01:46:22Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > It’s not so much that Trump is given a pass for the economy. It’s that he did so many things that were so much worse that being responsible for a stock market downturn doesn’t even register. I don’t think I agree. It’s such a meme that trump did well with the economy, and left-leaning media rarely pushes back against it, so most people believe it. Heck, I think if you had asked me a year ago if employment was higher or lower after trump’s term I would have thought higher. Granted, the main reason we lost jobs overall was covid, but then that’s clearly the main reason that inflation initially spiked under Biden. ---
**Author:** ![betonbill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@betonbill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betonbill)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/112 "2023-12-27T19:54:01Z")
Take away the hair dye and the excessive makeup from Trump and he would look a whole lot different. Biden is what you see is what you get. An elephant in the room that is never mentioned re high prices is the fact that pay/hour for many workers jumped significantly post Covid, and the consumers are having to pay more to compensate. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/113 "2023-12-27T20:42:35Z")
> [@betonbill](#): > > An elephant in the room that is never mentioned re high prices is the fact that pay/hour for many workers jumped significantly post Covid, and the consumers are having to pay more to compensate. It’s a lot more complicated than that. High prices were also influenced by scarcity brought about from supply line disruptions during the pandemic. Also, many people left the workforce when jobs dried up due to restrictions in restaurants and retail and tourism, etc. Folks got by through a combination of gig work and unemployment wages, and not everyone wants to go back to those old jobs even after the handouts dried up, so places struggling to get workers might raise pay to entice people back. It’s something of a chicken and the egg situation, and a bit of a vicious cycle as higher wages raise prices and so people need to be paid more to afford things… The economy is really complex. Which shouldn’t be a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049/114 "2023-12-27T20:58:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s a lot more complicated than that. Yeah. > [@betonbill](#): > > An elephant in the room that is never mentioned re high prices is the fact that pay/hour for many workers jumped significantly post Covid, and the consumers are having to pay more to compensate. This is not wrong, but it is simplistic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anybody-who-s-on-the-fence-about-biden-or-think-he-s-lost-a-step-mentally-should-listen-to-this-interview/995049.md?page=5)