Anyone available to do an "Ask the Aussie" thread?

The majority of people would probably describe themselves as “no religion”. Christianity is the most common religion, but there aren’t all that many of us. For example, there were seven Christians that I know of in my Year Twelve class of around one hundred and forty. (Those numbers probably aren’t representative of the population as a whole.) The Muslim population has been increasing in recent years. There must be a fair number of Buddhists around because my uni has a “Be With Buddha” society, but I’ve only personally known one. There’s a lot less religious extremism here than in the US.

As for sexuality, while there is still homophobia around, the attitude in general seems to be that it’s not that big a deal. My uni has a Queer Society, and several of my straight friends are members to show support. I’m not, but that’s just because I’d feel uncomfortable about misrepresenting myself or looking like I don’t take gay rights issues seriously. There are some discriminatory laws - in one state the age of consent for a homosexual relationship is three years older than the age of consent for a heterosexual relationship. Though that might have changed by now, it was two years ago that I read it. Perhaps someone who knows more about this will come along with more information.

Hmmm … social habits … this is hard! I’ve lived here all my life, so it’s hard to say what’s specifically Australian and what’s not. We tend to give people nicknames that are the opposite of what you’d expect - calling a red-haired person “Bluey” or a tall person “Shorty” and that sort of thing. As other posters have said, giving each other shit is an art form. Mum says that the tradition of bringing a plate of food to gatherings like barbecues is Australian too, so I’ll put it down even though I thought everyone does that.

Yes, we have an obesity problem. There was a study recently saying that we’ve officially become the fattest country in the world.

There is, unfortunately, still a lot of this around. Many Aboriginal communities live in appalling conditions, the government neglecting their need for basic services like water, power, sanitation, hospitals, schools and jobs. Communities are being forced to sign their land over to the government in order to be provided with houses. Then there was the Northern Territory Intervention. It was claimed that there was rampant child sex abuse in the Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory, and the government sent people in to deal with it. There was no evidence of sexual abuse, and many people now believe the whole thing was just an excuse for a landgrab. We’ve all heard the story of the Aboriginal man who was arrested a few years ago and died of heat stroke in the back of the police van. His family still haven’t gotten compensation. We have a long history of treating our indigenous population like shit.
We have been trying to make up for it a little lately - for instance, there was Kevin Rudd’s official apology to the Aboriginal population for the stolen generation. (A huge movement in the '30s to remove Aboriginal children from their homes and foster them to white families, put them in orphanages or train them as servants.) A nice gesture, even if it didn’t do much. And it’s become common practice for speeches at gatherings to begin “We respectfully acknowledge the [insert name of tribe] people, the traditional owners of this land.”

Shame: The way we’ve treated the Aboriginal population, the way we’re still treating boat people (asylum seekers), live animal export.

Pride: The beautiful physical environment, the friendly, laid back culture.We take pride in values like loyalty and fairness in much the same way that Americans take pride in values like liberty and rights.

What do you guys thinks makes Australia the fattest country in the world? Is it some sort of food(s) you guys eat?

Also, how hard or easy do you think it would be for an American to assimilate in Australia? What would I need to know if I found a job and moved there tomorrow?

Ever seen “Rabbit Proof Fence”?

We were outside the top 10 less than a decade ago.
There is some question over the metrics and methodology but:

The influence of global chain junk food.
The biggest impact has been in consumption of soft drinks.
Increasingly sedentary lifestyle
The usual gambit of Western dietary influences.

Straightforward
Driving on the LHS of the road can be a bit disconcerting for newbies.
Don’t carry concealed weapons.
Don’t barrack for Carlton, Collingwood or Manly.

:eek: Not according to my husband! (on the Manly part, at least) :slight_smile:

tr0psn4j, I’m an American married to an Australian. We lived there for a few years (moved back to the U.S. 3.5 years ago), one of my sons was born there, and my kids are dual citizens. Living in Australia as an American was fairly easy. I would say the hardest thing for me to adjust to was the lack of “serious” conversation. From an American point of view, it seems like everything’s a joke, there’s not very much discussion of topics like politics or issues, and conversations typically center on sports, sports, and sports. There’s also a cultural characteristic called “tall poppy syndrome.” Basically (and this is a generalization), if you get a bit “above yourself”, you’ll be dragged back to earth. This wasn’t something I really noticed too much, but it’s something that drives my husband nuts.

As an American in Oz, I encountered a little bit of anti-Americanism, but nothing not solvable by friendly conversation. From my perspective, people are friendly but snarky and you have to have a thick skin and be able to dish it out. I would also say that there’s a pretty high level of blindness to the country’s problems, especially racism, but I’m sure that could be said of all countries and definitely of the U.S.

For an American, everything seems pretty familiar. Many of the same brand names & t.v. shows; what isn’t the same is similar.

Go Woods! :stuck_out_tongue:

I now know that I will never be going to Australia.

Does the phrase “Sic 'em, Rex!” bring a smile to your face?

And people dare to say that Americans have no sense of irony, nor a sense of humour about their government.

What I really want to know, is which one of you Aussies will send me some Shingleback skinks wrapped up as something else?

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I could almost swear I’ve asked this question here before, but I don’t remember the answer, so…

Anyone with experience in both countries care to comment on relative levels of sexism in Australia vs. the United States in 2010? Multiple anecdotes ( which yes, are not collectively real data :wink: ) I’ve heard over the years, but mostly 20 years old or older, have indicated a greater relative level of machismo in Australia and slightly less everyday respect for women.

For example young American sailors ( not known for their enlightened attitudes to casual dates back in the day ) claiming that young Australian women preferred to date them because they were so much “nicer” than local guys. Or a gristled old dad buying steak for him and his son for a barbeque, but hamburger for the American wife to save money ( this one is true, I know the family ). To a less flattering film like Puberty Blues, which of course is decades old and may have just represented a particular sub-culture.

Isolated snapshots, never amounting to anything but a false appearance? An artifact of an earlier age, long since died out/declined in the 21rst century ( at least as much as sexism has declined in the U.S. ) ? A real, but these days pretty minor difference? A little more significant?

Now, the “sport, sport, and more sport” thing is - I won’t deny it - a big thing in Australia. However, a lot depends on who you meet. I’m an “arts” person, and the majority of the people I know are writers, musicians, film-makers, photographers, and other creative types, or people who work in the field, like sound engineers, events promoters and the like.

Some of those people are into sport, some aren’t. But conversations are about all manner of things, and talking about sport is pretty rare in the circles I travel in. I’m sure it’s the same in the US; in some social contexts, all you’ll hear is conversations about ball games, in other contexts you’ll hear conversations on a wide range of topics.

Australia (I’m sorry to say) probably deserves some of its low-brow reputation, but that doesn’t mean that Australia doesn’t regularly come up with some amazingly talented people. Many of whom, sadly, leave to work in the big money markets - as a quick look at the roll-call of Australians in Hollywood, in front of and behind the cameras, will amply demonstrate.

There is a little more of the old British-style dependence on government to solve your problems here than I apprehend exists in the US. Ridiculously high expectations of what government can actually do, followed by vicious condemnation if government fails to do it.

But the continual air of crisis promoted by the media does not actually reflect lived reality for most people.

The upmarket food is sensational - lots of European/Asian fusion things.

And it is possible to have significant conversations other than about sports. It’s just considered rude or pushy to do so about politics, other than in circumstances where you know the people very well. A stranger invited to a barbecue who suddenly decided to fire up a conversation by whaling on the PM’s latest policy choice would be looked at strangely. Talking politics at an informal gathering has the flavour of selling Amway at an informal gathering. A bit naff.

Feel free to talk about arts, music, entertainment or whatever. As with anywhere, much depends on the interests of the people you’re with.

Notwithstanding the egalitarian ambitions of Australians, there is a degree of class-based distinction. There can be chip-on-the-shoulder working class resentment (the politics of envy sells well here) and its reverse - elitist snobbery. But I wouldn’t want to overstate that - most people can get on with each other just fine no matter what their circumstances. If you’ve seen *The Castle/I], you can get a sense of that in the way Darryl Kerrigan gets on with the constitutional QC who becomes his mate.

Me? I love the place.

I’d say that’s not very accurate. Again, it depends on what circles you’re travelling in - it’d be pretty easy to find anecdotal evidence of massive sexism in the US, too.

Australian women are fierce. That’s my perception, and I’ve heard foreigners (including foreign women) say much the same thing. Seriously, never get between an Australian woman and something she wants. Not unless you’re prepared for big fight.

It’s worth mentioning that Australia was the first full nation that gave full voting rights to women. New Zealand actually beat us, but NZ was still a British colony at the time. As an independent nation, Australia was the first, in 1901, at Federation. So women have had the vote here since day one of Australia as a nation. (Before 1901, “Australia” as a nation didn’t exist, it was a collection of separate British colonies, much like US states before the revolution.)

Women got the vote in the US in 1920. In Britain, 1927. So, who’s sexist now?

Is Yahoo Serious taken seriously?

Does anyone drink XXXX?

Does anyone in Australia watch Home and Away or Neighbours?

Why are there so many Aussies in every European city?

Re sexism, I haven’t lived in America for almost 30 years, and I was only a child at the time, so I can’t compare directly, but I think sexism in Australia is widespread but mild. Aussie blokes are not known for their charm and sophistication, and American manners are often more formal than ours, so maybe that is why the sailors did well (also, they come into port ready to party and spend lots of money).

If the wife had hamburger, it may have been because she preferred it, or because she wanted to save money too. Individual families vary, but in general the women would get the food they want as much as anyone. Although at my all girls’ school, there were several families that sent the girls to that school, which was cheaper, and less prestigious, while the boys went to posher, private schools.

To me, it seems like the sexism is more by collusion than oppression. Gender roles are collectively enforced, and generally speaking, women don’t compete with men. That doesn’t mean women are disrespected or worth less.

  1. Never was.

  2. Yes.

  3. Only 12-year-old girls. We were quite surprised to discover adults watch those shows in the UK.

  4. Australians like to travel. We’ve heard so much about everywhere else, but it’s a hell of a long way away. So, those who can afford it like to go to “civilisation” and come back sporting an air of smug “sophistication”.

Thanks and absolutely :).

My parents and their Aussie friends/political compatriots ( all, I should say, of extreme leftwards political persuasion ) are responsible for most of my anecdotal info, but like I said most of it reaches back to the 1970’s - early 90’s, nothing recent. And I’ve always wondered if ( or rather how much ) their rather outre political views influenced their social perceptions.

I was wondering the same - it might just have been more a “grass is always greener-type” freshness of dealing with some 19 yr old from Nebraska.

Not in this case, no. He really was a seemingly oblivious chauvinist of fairly extreme character. But no accounting for individuals. He might have just have been a peculiar chap that way.

Agree.

Depends what you mean by “charm and sophistication”. Australians can be very charming with the whole "subvert formality"thing. We are self-aware enough to realise this and exploit it, sometimes to the point where it is more than a little over the top. There will always be an Australian in any given group somewhere who, when introduced to the President of the USA, will say “Bazza! Mate! How the fuck are ya?!”
The social sexism is collusive, but I still detect real sexism in employment. Women in my office still complain about a glass ceiling. Commercial life here has some high profile women, but the boy’s club of industrialists, etc, is still real.

As to An Gadai’s questions -

Yahoo Serious was an odd and aberrant moment in cinematic history. We all laughed politely, but were mostly scratching our heads saying WTF? In hindsight, his chaotic style of storytelling and linking history with bizarre plot lines was a one-shot deal - you get it the first time, and trying to repeat it doesn’t improve it.

Beer is sold here, as it is everywhere, on the back of local chauvinism - the beer ad that essentially goes “We’re real men here in (insert your locale here) who work hard and sweat a lot, and we drink (insert your local brand here) which proves just how hard working salt-of-the-earth we are” is universal.

It has been updated to insert more humour, but a consequence of local chauvinism about beer promotion is that in Queensland, you drink XXXX, in NSW you drink Tooheys, in Victoria you drink VB, etc. (No-one drinks Fosters). If you drink Toohey’s in a certain sort of Queensland pub you may as well go up to the biggest bloke there and say that Wally Lewis and Artie Beetson played rugby league like little girls who dress in tutus.

Home and Away and Neighbours wouldn’t exist here but for the overseas sales - they would have died here long ago because there wouldn’t be the financial support. So it’s all your fault. The only demographic that watches them here is teenage girls, and even they are pretty campy about the whole thing. My impression is that they watch it with the same sensibility with which people used to watch Melrose Place or now watch Desperate Housewives.

And we do travel a great deal. It’s part of the rite of passage thing to go OS in your 20s and bring back stories.