# Anyone care to know the real reason for Cheneys defense of Gitmo? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 17, 2005, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655 "2005-06-17T05:00:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/41 "2005-06-17T14:31:50Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Nope. All his stock revenue goes to charity. All he gets is residual deferred income amortized for tax purposes. And after this year, that dries up as well, and he’ll get no money at all from them. > > [http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html](http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html) And the deffered income is all insured so that Cheney gets paid even if Halliburton goes backrupt. Now, if someone wants to claim (ie, prove) that he is enriching his friends, have at it. But Cheney won’t get one dime more or one dime less whether Halliburton gets no fed contracts for the remainder of his tenure or gets every contract there is to be had. Having said that, I do think it’s politically stupid for him to allow this kind of stuff to happen. It has the appearance of impropriety, and that’s all that really matters in politics. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/42 "2005-06-17T14:33:44Z")
Of course, one presumes that there is no money being shuffled around under the table, or stored in anonymous accounts in the Cayman Islands. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/43 "2005-06-17T14:33:48Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > It only takes a few minutes at “[FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org)” to learn that they are less interested in “holding politicians accountable” than “criticizing ‘liberals’ and vindicating ‘conservatives’”. It’s more right-wing doublespeak. [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org) is [SpinDoctor.org](http://SpinDoctor.org). That has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read all week. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/44 "2005-06-17T14:34:47Z")
Of course, Cheney could alwasy go back to Halliburton after his term is finished :d&r: ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/45 "2005-06-17T14:36:52Z")
I never said Cheney would profit from it. It’s called taking care of your buddies. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/46 "2005-06-17T14:38:10Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > That has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read all week. Oh, go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/47 "2005-06-17T14:51:16Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Nope. All his stock revenue goes to charity. All he gets is residual deferred income amortized for tax purposes. And after this year, that dries up as well, and he’ll get no money at all from them. > > [http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html](http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html) In fact, the link you provided states that profit from the sale of his **stock options** will go to charity; I see nothing to indicate he owns no stock at all in Haliburton. If you can show me that he has no stock in the company, I will retract my comment. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/48 "2005-06-17T14:55:06Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > That still leaves us with plenty of other reasons to despise the man, though. I very much agree with that. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/49 "2005-06-17T14:55:06Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > That has to be one of the stupidest things I’ve read all week. You didn’t read the OP? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/50 "2005-06-17T14:58:05Z")
I admitted I was wrong about [FactCheck.org](http://FactCheck.org), which was based on “a few minutes” (as I said in my post), and a suspicion based on the fact it came from Liberal and that I’ve seen an awful lot of bogus “accuracy” and “fairness” sites. I see now that FactCheck is more reliable and attempts not to spin. I retract my comment. I do, however, stand by my “fuck you,” since it was a fly-by self-righteous piece of snottery and regarded a post on which I had already admitted hasty judgment. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/51 "2005-06-17T15:06:51Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > In fact, the link you provided states that profit from the sale of his **stock options** will go to charity; I see nothing to indicate he owns no stock at all in Haliburton. If you can show me that he has no stock in the company, I will retract my comment. All his public shares went into blind trust on July 25, 2000, the day he resigned. That information is available just about anywhere. Try Wikipedia. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/52 "2005-06-17T15:20:48Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Of course, one presumes that there is no money being shuffled around under the table, or stored in anonymous accounts in the Cayman Islands. That’s the second stupidest thing I’ve read all week. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/53 "2005-06-17T15:22:02Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > That’s the second stupidest thing I’ve read all week. What, you don’t read your own posts? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/54 "2005-06-17T15:25:48Z")
The burden of proof is on those accusing Cheney of having a financial interest in Haliburton. Thanks to the good work of **liberal** , I’m satisfied that Cheney personally does not benefit financially. He is still reprehensible, but not for profitting personally. I believe Haliburton is making obscene profits off this war and very likely Cheney greased the skids to benefit his former cronies, and Cheney is still reprehensible for many things but not for making personal financial gain from the war. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/55 "2005-06-17T15:26:09Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Of course, one presumes that there is no money being shuffled around under the table, or stored in anonymous accounts in the Cayman Islands. The problem with a statement like that is it can never be proven. Even if someone did somehow get a list of all accounts in all the Cayman banks and the account holders’ names, someone can just respond back with, “But how do we know he doesn’t have a Swiss/German/Nigerian/Martian bank account?” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/56 "2005-06-17T15:29:14Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > The problem with a statement like that is it can never be proven. Even if someone did somehow get a list of all accounts in all the Cayman banks and the account holders’ names, someone can just respond back with, “But how do we know he doesn’t have a Swiss/German/Nigerian/Martian bank account?” I do know and appreciate that you can’t prove a negative. However, it would be naive to presume that money doesn’t get slipped around between big business and the pols giving them multi-million and multi-billion dollar contracts. ---
**Author:** ![Psycho\_Pirate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Psycho\_Pirate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psycho_Pirate)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/57 "2005-06-17T15:29:35Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > Of course, one presumes that there is no money being shuffled around under the table, or stored in anonymous accounts in the Cayman Islands. The tinfoil goes shiny side _out_, :wally . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/58 "2005-06-17T15:31:00Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > What, you don’t read your own posts? What’s next, George, are you going to tell us the one about the jerk store? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/59 "2005-06-17T15:31:28Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > The tinfoil goes shiny side _out_, :wally . Now THAT’S the stupidest thin I’VE read all week. Actually, it’s only like top 5. Somebody linked to the WorldNet Daily and somebody else posted some rubbish on the Schiavo case. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655/60 "2005-06-17T15:34:18Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > I do know and appreciate that you can’t prove a negative. Oy. :smack: [http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard\_carrier/theory.html](http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/theory.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-care-to-know-the-real-reason-for-cheneys-defense-of-gitmo/308655.md?page=4)