# Anyone else getting tired of Una's delusions?

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [March 24, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716 "2012-03-24T21:53:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/61 "2012-03-25T06:53:10Z")

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…and if you want to quibble over “I thought I was supporting the message board, not helping pay someone’s rent or buy them school books or sending a wedding gift when two board members got married,” _if_ you do, then I will return with “a board is never a server, never circuits and wires, it’s a community of people.” Supporting the board to me meant giving back to the people, the people who posted they needed help, or asked directly. My conscience is clear that giving to board members who needed help was the right thing to do, rather than sticking the money in my bank account. Which, FTR, **the donations never even entered.** Scotti wrote the checks, I didn’t have access to the money at all (barring what I contributed out of my own pocket) because I felt like having 1 level of separation was a more fiscally honorable way to do things. FUCKING ASK HER if she was the one who wrote the checks, if you think I’m lying.

And FTR because I don’t know what other skeleton will be marched out of the closet, absolutely no fucking donations went into the costs and time of publishing the fucking book. I donated _hundreds_ of person-hours to assemble, edit, and publish that book (with lots of help from others who donated as well, such as Eye-Zee).

To the best of my knowledge you never let on that you were in serious trouble or tight straits, nor did I ever receive a request for assistance. If you had then the community we had, a community of good people who helped each other out, and yes that even includes me, would have been there to lend a hand. If I missed something you posted, a call for help, because I was blind or ignorant, I apologize.

What a fucking senseless tragedy this is. What a motherfucking waste. I may as well have spent the money on lottery tickets and beer for how you’ve made me look in public. I wouldn’t have posted what you did over something like this without first at least trying to contact the person and clearing the air, before choosing to try and publicly humiliate them and drag their name through the mud. And that’s not what the Duke I remember would have done, either.

Holy fuck, what a horrorshow.

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/62 "2012-03-25T06:57:34Z")

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> [@mister\_nyx](#):
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> Why in the world are you in a community as terrible as what you describe rather than running away as fast as you can and then living well in order to get the best revenge?

I’m not in the snark “community”, I only get beaten up over there every now and then.

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/63 "2012-03-25T07:13:49Z")

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> [@Una\_Persson](#):
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> I also posted in my journal thread years ago that I would return any donations to anyone who felt cheated with interest. I believe I offered a rate of 4% (which was the going rate at the time). I had no takers whatsoever. If you want your $100 back with interest then present any sort of proof as far as what year you wrote the check (because I never handled the money - Scotti did that so I don’t have all the records) and the amount and I will send the money to Scotti and she will pass it on to you, with 4% interest, same offer as before. Oh you say it’s not about the money, but it clearly has some meaning, so let’s stop fucking around.

FTR Post #855, “Journal Five” thread, dated 06-07-2006, 03:42 PM. You know where to find it; I’m not going to post a link to an MO area.

> [@](#):
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> I doubt I will, it’s just too much. And I don’t deserve it, it’s just a silly thing to spend money on. Lots of people would likely be pretty disgusted with me for spending $50 on something like that when they’re struggling to make ends meet. I only liked it because of the coal goddess.
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> And that brings up another point - over the years quite a lot of you all have been extremely generous with donating funds to this community, to help defray server and software costs, or for general support. I hope that you know that this money has instead been used to support the community here. It’s clear from my wanting to spend $50 on a frivilous gift for myself that things have greatly improved for us overall, and while the donations we received were a nice operating safety net we did not need them and used them via the kindness of Scotticher for “member’s in need.” However, if any folks feel that they would rather have had their money go directly for board support, or for any other reason want a refund, please contact Scotticher with the details of:
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> - When you paid.
> - How you paid (paypal, check, etc.)
> - How much you paid.
> 
> And I will send you back your money with interest. Think of it as a loan if you want, to me which I’m now paying back.

I guess you get me on a technicality in that I never said “4% interest.” Oh well, the intent is unambiguous.

Edited: because I fucking wanted to edit this, that’s why.

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**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/64 "2012-03-25T07:20:27Z")

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> [@mister\_nyx](#):
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> Why in the world are you in a community as terrible as what you describe rather than running away as fast as you can and then living well in order to get the best revenge?

FYI: There exists a satellite board of the SDMB where posters share their thoughts anonymously and exists to harass people here. Last I checked it was fairly active. **CarnalK** promoted it in his sig in the past, before he was instructed not to. He obeyed, under protest.

Before I visited it, I didn’t realize that a substantial minority of humanity was that petty.  
Oh yeah, FWIW I’ll vouch for Una’s characterization of the preceding, based upon limited information about the board (I don’t visit MO) and moreover a passing familiarity with her character. What can I say? I trust her.

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**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/65 "2012-03-25T07:48:30Z")

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This was a fun read. Maybe we should all spend a little more time outdoors.

I was lucky enough to ski yesterday and ride motorcycles today! Life is good! (away from the computer)

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**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/66 "2012-03-25T12:35:26Z")

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> [@Gatopescado](#):
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> I was lucky enough to ski yesterday and ride motorcycles today! Life is good! (away from the computer)

And this is why I hate the internet. People will make up shit that anybody with half a brain could see is blatantly false. And half the people will believe it 🙂

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**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/67 "2012-03-25T12:43:01Z")

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You know why I didn’t bring it up before, Una? Because you would have acted like this, and I would have been the bad guy, because it’s your word over mine and you’re the one with support here. Hell, I’m the one who gets called “the worst person breathing” and nobody pops up to say, “whoa, that was a little over the top.”

Frankly, I never asked for the money back at the time because I feared this reprisal. And honestly I knew, just as will happen now, anything I said would be seen as a campaign of hate. This isnt the only thing that ran me off your board, Una, and I’m sure you know what some of those things were, but I won’t dare say them.

Tell you what then. If you’re concerned about your reputation here, petition the miss to wish my post and anything related to it “into the cornfield” I.e to the mod forum. Leave Rand’s posts up, though. To be honest I do now feel like the worst human breathing. I had no idea about a lot of the other things you said–although I couldn’t have known because you never said them on board and I just wasn’t one of the people who heard the inside stories–but I’m sorry I had the wrong impression. I will support my posts being wiped, and any punishment due me. It was a foolis thing to post and I’m sorry I slandered you.

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**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/68 "2012-03-25T12:55:10Z")

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For the record, I don’t think either of you are bad people. I do think you are masters at making tempests in teapots, but I can’t say I haven’t gotten riled up over board matters before either.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/69 "2012-03-25T13:34:47Z")

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**Duke** , FWIW my comment about your walking away from inconsequential pixels was in reference to **Rand Rover** ’s sociopathic comment about you and your appropriate response in post #51.

The positive outcome is that you have found out that your contribution in fact does appear to have gone to some probably worthy causes, even if not in the manner that you had chosen. Perhaps best to think of it as you having made a roundabout donation to others in need as a way to honor your relationship that was initiated in that community. Perhaps that closure over something that had been digging at you is worth having to shrug off the likes of **RR** (whose comment to me seems way worse than any invocation of a wide variety banned words) and **Una** being so dramatically hurt and insulted.

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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/70 "2012-03-25T13:51:52Z")

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I do want to expand on that last bit because it does bring back to the cause of this particular Pitting. I spend a fair amount of time here, admittedly not most of it in the Pit, and its that delusion of **Una** ’s as being the victim, on this board, of “hobgoblins who have had fun throwing shit at me for years”, that bugs the shit out of me, especially but not exclusively when I am included in that list. Sure, I _do_ look a bit hobgoblinish, but she doesn’t know that! From what I can witness **Una** dishes out lots of snark and receives remarkably little. She is not persecuted and overall is held in some respect.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/71 "2012-03-25T14:21:23Z")

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> [@miss\_elizabeth](#):
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> Is that enough elaboration, or shall I go on about how idiotic you are?

Not even a start on any actual substance whatever, just more childish invective from what is obviously one of the board’s regular purveyors of such.

At least you’ve established your level here, on the same emotional level as \*\*Una \*\*but without the same command of language. Pity.

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**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/72 "2012-03-25T14:22:44Z")

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> [@DSeid](#):
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> I do want to expand on that last bit because it does bring back to the cause of this particular Pitting. I spend a fair amount of time here, admittedly not most of it in the Pit, and its that delusion of **Una** ’s as being the victim, on this board, of “hobgoblins who have had fun throwing shit at me for years”, that bugs the shit out of me, especially but not exclusively when I am included in that list. Sure, I _do_ look a bit hobgoblinish, but she doesn’t know that! From what I can witness **Una** dishes out lots of snark and receives remarkably little. She is not persecuted and overall is held in some respect.

Some people are just like that. They can say anything they want to anybody in any manner they please and it’s fine, but someone looks at them halfway cross-eyed, and they’re the most persecuted creature to ever draw breath. I have a cousin like that, though she’s slowly gotten better over the years. All you can do with people like that is roll your eyes and move on because 1) there is dick-all anybody can do or say to change them and 2) most people either already know or eventually see how they are and overlook their histrionics.

Although I do have to say that I’m having a little trouble reconciling her posts in the “what if” thread with her posts in this one. Maybe it’s an indicator of a lacking intellect, but I don’t really see how a person can be so incredibly educated and experienced and hardworking and generally awesome they have their pick of jobs in this shitstorm of an economy and yet be “terrified” at the prospect of losing their job in a much better economy. If you’re that awesome, it seems to me that getting another job should be a mere snap of your fingers.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/73 "2012-03-25T14:33:06Z")

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> [@Una\_Persson](#):
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> What a fucking senseless tragedy this is. What a motherfucking waste.

I admit that I didn’t read _every_ single post in this thread, but I thought we were still talking about a bunch of stupid Internet fights. Did a bus full of schoolchildren get hit by a train somewhere up-thread and I missed it?

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/74 "2012-03-25T14:36:46Z")

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> [@Duke](#):
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> You know why I didn’t bring it up before, Una? Because you would have acted like this, and I would have been the bad guy, because it’s your word over mine and you’re the one with support here. Hell, I’m the one who gets called “the worst person breathing” and nobody pops up to say, “whoa, that was a little over the top.”

_Nothing prevented you over years from asking me in private via PM or mail._ You can poison the well for that potential action by saying you know I would have “acted like this” and how can I respond? Furthermore, any of the Staff could have been asked. Scotti could have been asked - do you think she would have “acted like this?” Nothing was a secret about this, just not widely publicized in a sticky thread.

> [@](#):
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> Frankly, I never asked for the money back at the time because I feared this reprisal. And honestly I knew, just as will happen now, anything I said would be seen as a campaign of hate. This isnt the only thing that ran me off your board, Una, and I’m sure you know what some of those things were, but I won’t dare say them.

The only reason you have any so-called “reprisal” at all is because you chose to post in the most public place possible to drag my name and reputation through the mud, rather having simply asking a question directly, two people communicating to each other. And if you want to leave the thread with this dropping of a hint of other deadly secrets soon to come proving how bad I am and why you left, at some point in the future, then I guess that’s what you want to do and there’s nothing I can do about it. I had no idea you both were so ill-used on my board.

> [@](#):
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> I had no idea about a lot of the other things you said–although I couldn’t have known because you never said them on board and I just wasn’t one of the people who heard the inside stories–

Several of these efforts were openly discussed on-board, such as Katsu’s laptop, which even had photos posted of it. Several people who received money posted thank-you notes in threads or posts. Many didn’t, for whatever reason. Some even took the money and left the board and never came back, no idea why. We didn’t make a big deal about things because the point of charity is not wear it like laurels. It’s understandable if you missed things, even all of them. It’s not understandable that to the best of my knowledge you never asked I or any of the Staff members a simple, straightforward question.

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**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/75 "2012-03-25T14:37:42Z")

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> [@Derleth](#):
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> And got extremely lucky. Multiple times, I’d imagine.
> 
> For example: No major congenital disorders. No major acquired disorders.

Actually, **Una** is a Type 1 diabetic, which actually IS a major acquired disorder in that it is invariably fatal without modern medicine and even when treated some of the side effects and/or adverse effects can be horrible. However, **Una** also exhibits considerable effort in properly treating and controlling that disorder.

End of nitpick.

Yes, \*\*Una \*\*has been successful. \*\*Una \*\*has worked her ass off for years, nay, probably a couple decades now. \*\*Una \*\*has also had a bit of luck along the way, and has the self-discipline to manage things in her life pretty well. Like the rest of us, Una is also imperfect, has flaws, baggage, issues, and occasionally sticks her foot in her mouth. She’s human. Somehow, I’ve never found that fact particularly surprising.

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/76 "2012-03-25T14:45:52Z")

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> [@MsWhatsit](#):
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> I admit that I didn’t read _every_ single post in this thread, but I thought we were still talking about a bunch of stupid Internet fights. Did a bus full of schoolchildren get hit by a train somewhere up-thread and I missed it?

Context. They’re not stupid internet fights because for a very long time, many years, I considered Duke and tygre to be friends. Internet friends are real too - this is 2012, not 1998 where it’s still possible to handwave the online world away.

The waste and tragedy is that a friendship has to end and folks had years of regret and anger over something that wasn’t anything all, because no one asked a simple question. I could at least understand being flamed for something I did wrong, even if I didn’t like it. But this? We had a huge argument back in the day in my Staff forum, maybe about 2002 or so, where I initially put my foot down and said I refused to accept any donations because I never wanted to see someone get angry with something else I did and use that as a hammer to wallop me with. Well, it took 10 years, but it finally happened.

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/77 "2012-03-25T14:48:28Z")

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Fair enough, didn’t realize this was a “friendship falling apart” situation rather than just a “user complaining about a board admin” situation.

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/78 "2012-03-25T14:56:42Z")

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> [@MsWhatsit](#):
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> I admit that I didn’t read _every_ single post in this thread, but I thought we were still talking about a bunch of stupid Internet fights. Did a bus full of schoolchildren get hit by a train somewhere up-thread and I missed it?

The original draft of Col. Kurtz’s iconic “horror” monologue described the soiling of someone’s snark board reputation. Brando himself convinced Francis Ford Coppola to change it to a pile of inoculated children’s arms. True story.

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**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/79 "2012-03-25T15:08:42Z")

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> [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](#):
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> You have got to be kidding me. Let me see if I have this right:
> 
> You wrote **Una** a check that you felt you couldn’t afford because she mentioned that the cost of the board might be more than she wanted or could continue. She didn’t solicit donations, but you made one. She cashed the check. You have the balls to come on here years later and whine about it because it wouldn’t have even been one car payment to cover the check you willingly wrote?

There was actually even a boilerplate message for a while in one of my FAQs which took a line from SNL referring to it like “dropping your car keys in a river of molten lava,” that the money may be used for anything or nothing, and that no refunds would ever be offered (I reneged on the last point and did offer them).

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**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\
**Post date:** [March 25, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-getting-tired-of-unas-delusions/616716/80 "2012-03-25T15:27:16Z")

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> [@Una\_Persson](#):
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> _Nothing prevented you over years from asking me in private via PM or mail._ You can poison the well for that potential action by saying you know I would have “acted like this” and how can I respond? Furthermore, any of the Staff could have been asked. Scotti could have been asked - do you think she would have “acted like this?” Nothing was a secret about this, just not widely publicized in a sticky thread.

From all I knew, all **Scotti** was doing was passing the money on to you as an intermediary. I had no idea she knew what was happening to the money after that. You have to remember that a lot of people were privy to that information, but not us. As you said, you weren’t posting about that–so how was I supposed to know?

As for overreacting and “knowing” you would act like this: **Una** , you have to own up to the fact that happened in the **DSeid** thread and here is not an isolated incident. I’m sorry that I wrongly assumed that things would have been different in another context.

> [@](#):
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> The only reason you have any so-called “reprisal” at all is because you chose to post in the most public place possible to drag my name and reputation through the mud, rather having simply asking a question directly, two people communicating to each other.

So it was OK to drag **DSeid** ’s good name through the mud in public by falsely accusing him of having a vendetta against you, and going personal and sexual with that to boot, but when it happens to you…?

> [@](#):
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> And if you want to leave the thread with this dropping of a hint of other deadly secrets soon to come proving how bad I am and why you left, at some point in the future, then I guess that’s what you want to do and there’s nothing I can do about it. I had no idea you both were so ill-used on my board.

**tygre** told you exactly what her problem was. For whatever reason, you didn’t act on that. There is no secret there. If you want me to PM you about it, I’ll do that.

> [@](#):
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> Several of these efforts were openly discussed on-board, such as Katsu’s laptop, which even had photos posted of it.

And that’s great. I love **Katsu** , he is an awesome guy, and if I’d had the money to buy him a laptop at the time I probably would have done it. But that’s irrelevant. I sent you money to keep the UnaBoard running, and I know I never got a question saying, “Hey **Duke** , is it OK if we use this money for something else?” from you or **Scotti** or anyone. I’m sorry if I have a problem with that. Thing is, I would have **loved** to know my money went to breast cancer research or helping out someone else. But until now I never did…and honestly, I still don’t really know.

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> We didn’t make a big deal about things because the point of charity is not wear it like laurels. It’s understandable if you missed things, even all of them. It’s not understandable that to the best of my knowledge you never asked I or any of the Staff members a simple, straightforward question.

Look, I work in fundraising, so I know what you’re talking about here. Maybe I should have asked…but why should I have asked, exactly? Up till now I _did_ assume that my gift went to the upkeep of the board. Why would I have asked about it if I didn’t know that?

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> They’re not stupid internet fights because for a very long time, many years, I considered Duke and tygre to be friends. Internet friends are real too - this is 2012, not 1998 where it’s still possible to handwave the online world away.

And I considered you and **fierra** to be friends too. Then **tygre** had her issue, and I had a minor disagreement with you on the board and you accused me of plotting against you. It wasn’t true in the slightest and I didn’t feel like I was going to be able to defend myself. So, I left.

As for this going on your permanent record…seriously? Your username is attached to tens of thousands of posts, dozens of reports, and many other things. Nobody’s going to find this thread unless they know about it (and, considering how much Google sucks these days, you probably wouldn’t be able to find it if you did know where to look). If they did find this thread, they’ll see this:

I was wrong to bring it up, I was wrong to complain, I was wrong to consider it a problem, and I apologize unreservedly for that. I know that doesn’t change what happened, but I can’t turn back time. If you want to ask **Ed Zotti** or any other mod to ban my ass (and my bringing off-board stuff here certainly merits it), then do it. They’re going to listen to you, and frankly if it happens I’ll feel it was deserved.

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