# Anyone else watching Carnival Row? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, amazon-prime\ **Created:** [August 30, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505 "2019-08-30T23:57:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Emily\_Litella](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emily_litella/32/3370_2.png) [@Emily\_Litella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emily_Litella)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/21 "2019-09-04T02:08:54Z")
One thing I’m really loving is the artistry in everything, from the costumes, to the furniture, the artwork and the fabrics. It’s all so lush and rich, it’s like they emptied a castle or museum to use on the sets. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/22 "2019-09-04T02:18:42Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Yes, all the time, and it drives me insane that neither Netflix nor Hulu give any cast info at all beyond the top two leads. Prime really does a lot of things right. Amazon owns IMDB, so it has easy access to all that information including headshots of actors, biographies, etc. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/23 "2019-09-04T02:45:23Z")
That makes sense, but they could at least include the cast names (and director) like my cable system does. If I search for a title on my cable system it gives a cast list of the top dozen or so actors. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/24 "2019-09-04T02:58:15Z")
It’s an interesting diversion, the only problem I see with the Satyrs (“Pucks”) is any wide shots I see of them walking give me a distinct “Torgo” vibe (Torgo was supposedly supposed to be a “Satyr” in “Manos”), I think it’s their big knees… I wonder if the Master would Approve of Carnival Row? and yes you now will all also hear the “haunting… Torgo theme” whenever you see a Satyr on screen… you’re welcome! [\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0s9OC6rzAA) Deeeeep HUUUURTING… DEEEEEEEP HUURTING! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/25 "2019-09-04T08:49:47Z")
What about the molefish? Do darkashers have any awareness or feeling, or are they just automatons? ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/26 "2019-09-04T13:13:06Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > We’ve started watching it. I like it quite a bit so far, but it literally very dark. Mu husband commented that we should watch it only at night, because things were hard to make out. Yes, agreed. It is very hard to see. The sound mix is quite muddy, too. Effects and music really loud, then can’t hear the dialogue. But it is interesting, and what I can see is beautiful. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/27 "2019-09-04T13:23:34Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You know, those are some of the most bad-ass pixies I’ve every heard of. They’re not little Tinkerbells or empty-headed little flitting things. You get the idea that they can stand toe-to-toe with any other intelligent critter in the milieu. Definitely a different take than usual on “pixie”. Well, of course. They’re Irish. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/28 "2019-09-04T18:58:51Z")
Kinda’ like Sookie Sackhouse in True Blood?, actually, CR has a lot of similarities with TB, just different mythical beings. does CR have vampires/werewolves/zombies? or is it the more classic mythical creatures (pixies, satyr, Kobolds, etc… (Kobolds, hmm, like Harry Potter House Elves?) Mythical Kombat! Dobby Vs Kobold…FIGHT! ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/29 "2019-09-04T19:10:43Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > does CR have vampires/werewolves/zombies? As of the penultimate episode of season 1: no vampires, a kind of werewolf, and something I could classify as more golem than zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/30 "2019-09-04T19:15:54Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > does CR have vampires/werewolves/zombies? or is it the more classic mythical creatures (pixies, satyr, Kobolds, etc… (Kobolds, hmm, like Harry Potter House Elves?) No vampires (at least not that we’ve seen), but there is a werewolf-like “curse” called a marrok, and the darkasher I mentioned is a sort of franken-undead - it’s a creature assembled out of other dead creatures. According to one person who can make them they are have no awareness of their own, but who really knows? They have pucks (satyrs/fauns), centaurs, pix (pixies), kobolds, and trow (trolls) that are named types we’ve seen so far. The kobolds may or may not be particularly intelligent - they might be highly trainable animals, or differently intelligent people, it’s a bit ambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/31 "2019-09-05T02:13:13Z")
I think it’s different than True Blood myself. That became overwrought and shock drama. CR has an actual story. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/32 "2019-09-05T03:01:15Z")
^I agree. _True Blood_ was very campy, while this has a more somber tone. Also, while there were tensions between humans and the vamps/werewolves/etc. in _True Blood_, there was not the stark social stratification that we see in _Carnival Row_ where virtually all the ‘critch’ are second-class citizens or worse. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/33 "2019-09-05T05:56:26Z")
I’ve seen episode 1 and will continue watching. I like a bit of Elfpunk, haven’t really had too much since my \*Falkenstein \*game ended. The showrunners for this would be a good pick to do a _The Iron Dragon’s Daughter_ movie… ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/34 "2019-09-05T12:39:32Z")
Finished it last night, and I think there’s also a touch of Cthulhu tossed into the mix, as well. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/35 "2019-09-06T08:57:32Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > Well, of course. They’re Irish. Welsh (they said they were from Annwn). Maybe some of them are Irish; they implied there were several kingdoms, and mentioned the Morrigan in passing. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/36 "2019-09-06T09:05:07Z")
They actually spell it Announ… probably because most of the people watching the show wouldn’t know how to pronounce Annwn. It’s probably a mix of Irish/Welsh/other influences for the Pix. ---
**Author:** ![KneadToKnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kneadtoknow/32/3999_2.png) [@KneadToKnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KneadToKnow)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/37 "2019-09-06T12:38:59Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > They actually spell it Announ… probably because most of the people watching the show wouldn’t know how to pronounce Annwn. It’s probably a mix of Irish/Welsh/other influences for the Pix. According to the subtitles, they spell it Anoun. Mrs. ToKnow noticed that it looked like they used a place holder (“well, the name for the place clearly needs to be a noun …”) and it just stuck. 🙂 And Tirnanoc comes from Tír na nÓg, in Irish mythology. Yes, there’s absolutely a mix of references and allusions to Earth cultures in the fictional races and places, but I still think the Irish Diaspora is the central one for the Fae. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/38 "2019-09-06T12:59:37Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > Welsh (they said they were from Annwn). Maybe some of them are Irish; they implied there were several kingdoms, and mentioned the Morrigan in passing. The whole Fae island/continent is [Tirnanoc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C3%ADr_na_n%C3%93g), Anoun is[just one country there](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/carnival-row4870/images/d/d5/Tirnanoc_map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190904170653). And the accent is definitely Irish. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/39 "2019-09-07T00:57:29Z")
> [@KneadToKnow](#): > > According to the subtitles, they spell it Anoun. Mrs. ToKnow noticed that it looked like they used a place holder (“well, the name for the place clearly needs to be a noun …”) and it just stuck. 🙂 > > And Tirnanoc comes from Tír na nÓg, in Irish mythology. Yes, there’s absolutely a mix of references and allusions to Earth cultures in the fictional races and places, but I still think the Irish Diaspora is the central one for the Fae. If they are going to use “real” names in their subtitles/fantasy maps, they couldn’t bother to check the spelling? Or have a Celtic consultant on board? Seems a tad disrespectful. BTW the winged Pixie people kept freaking me out whenever they appeared. Their wings are obviously too way too small to fly, so, OK, they are magic, but why would magic folk need physical wings to fly? Maybe it wasn’t the magic wings so much as the CG animation; it just looked strange. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505/40 "2019-09-07T02:20:21Z")
I noticed that burgh/borough is spelled “Burgue”. So maybe the wacky spellings are deliberate? (E.g., how precisely did they end up with “Fomhoire” rather than Fomoire or Fomhóraigh?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-else-watching-carnival-row/839505.md?page=3)