# Anyone else's BS meter going off in response to the pyjama pants girl thread?

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**Created:** [May 20, 2002, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902 "2002-05-20T03:57:27Z")\
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**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/61 "2002-05-21T08:08:05Z")

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Errrmm. Elaine Benis? Please explain.

[This could go on forever! One or the other of us is going to have to start speaking in plain english:)]

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**Author:** ![AveDementia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@AveDementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AveDementia)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/62 "2002-05-21T09:32:52Z")

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Elaine from _Seinfeld_.

Okay, I agree, plain English from here on out. 😉

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**Author:** ![Jervoise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d2c977/32.png) [@Jervoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jervoise)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/63 "2002-05-21T10:35:26Z")

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_Seinfeld_? 😉

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**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/64 "2002-05-21T10:50:10Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Tomcat \*  
> **Can any Mod check his IP address to see if he’s from northern Europe?**

Of course we can! 🙂

But **Skewbald** has been quite clear about the fact that he does not want his location to be known. I see no reason why that intention should be tampered with.

I’ll state for the record that he is indeed posting from a country where English is not the first language. Also, unlike some, I _do_ see some hints in his language usage that make me think he’s definitely not a native speaker. Maybe I pick them up because I’m not a native speaker myself, who’s to say? But they’re definitely there. Of course, opponents could just as easily state that those minor errors are deliberate. The truth is, we can’t tell for sure.

His English is very good, definitely better than my English was when I was 18. Hell, it’s better than my English is now! 🙂  
But that doesn’t mean he’s lying about his location, and background.

As far as the credibility of the story itself goes: he’s certainly experiencing other things than the stuff I went through in high school. Then again, if I posted about my marihuana-enduced threesome with two hot blondes when I was seventeen, would you believe me if I had 20 posts to my name? 🙂

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**Author:** ![White\_Lightning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@White\_Lightning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/White_Lightning)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/65 "2002-05-21T12:49:11Z")

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I think it’s terrible that moderators are giving clues about **Skewbald** ’s location, _especially_ since he has specifically stated that he doesn’t want people finding out details about where he’s from. But I think it’s inappropriate in any case.

And I want to state for the record that if anyone ever wonders about where I’m at and a mod checks on my IP and gives people hints about it without consulting with me, I’ll… I’ll… well, I’ll be upset. Nothing I could do about it, but I wouldn’t like it.

But that’s just me, and I could be wrong.

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**Author:** ![Xerxes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/d2c977/32.png) [@Xerxes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xerxes)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/66 "2002-05-21T13:13:10Z")

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So, **White Lightning** , you’re _not_ from Berkeley, CA?

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**Author:** ![pezpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@pezpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pezpunk)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/67 "2002-05-21T13:21:05Z")

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I can’t believe that you guys are trying to discredit **skewbalds** story! This is the best masturbatory material I have read on the boards in weeks! If you guys keep this skepticism up, I am going to have to get a subscription to a legitimate porn site! 😃

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**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/68 "2002-05-21T13:21:45Z")

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**White Lightning** re-read my post. I’ve merely told you that **Skewbald** is posting from a country where English is not the native language. Good luck finding him, Sherlock.

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**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/69 "2002-05-21T13:24:22Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Coldfire \*  
> \*\ ***White Lightning** re-read my post. I’ve merely told you that **Skewbald** is posting from a country where English is not the native language. Good luck finding him, Sherlock. \*\*

Aha! He’s from Miami! 😃

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**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/70 "2002-05-21T14:28:38Z")

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> \*Originally posted by galen ubal \*  
> \*\*Aha! He’s from Miami! 😃 \*\*

DAMN, you beat me to it!

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> _Originally posted by Coldfire_  
> \*\*Also, unlike some, I do see some hints in his language usage that make me think he’s definitely not a native speaker. Maybe I pick them up because I’m not a native speaker myself, who’s to say? But they’re definitely there. Of course, opponents could just as easily state that those minor errors are deliberate. The truth is, we can’t tell for sure.
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> His English is very good, definitely better than my English was when I was 18. Hell, it’s better than my English is now!\*\*

Can anyone tell what this guy is saying? I can’t understand a WORD of it, must be a yurpeen, or sumpin.

As for the OP, good story, engaging thread, good character development, better than 3/4 of the movies out there right now, and I don’t care if it’s BS or not. Personally, I think it is.

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**Author:** ![sidle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@sidle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sidle)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/71 "2002-05-21T14:40:27Z")

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> _originally posted by Jojo_  
> Both you and the girl would sit up bolt upright saying “fuck me, there’s a horse running down the beach”.

😃 😃 😃

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**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/72 "2002-05-21T14:55:04Z")

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> \*Originally posted by clairobscur \*  
> Thanks for the link…I never noticed this thread…  
> As for my BSmeter (on a scale of 100)
> 
> -The literary way it’s written (I’m unable to judge if it’s well written or not, just that it doesn’t sound “natural” but he could enjoy writing, of course) : 35

He has a very nice writing style, a little more descriptive than mine, but that is nothing to raise a BSometer ranking. As far as it being too “good” for someone his age, I wrote as well, perhaps better at 18. A different style, sure, but still good enough to be published nationally as a poet, playwright and writer of short stories.

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> -The psychology/behavior of the girl (which is extremely remote from everything I ever experienced or noticed ) : 75

And this diagnosis comes with what qualifications? Drop us a link to a scan of your masters or doctorate in psychology please. Oh, and a copy of her test results from your examination of her. If you don’t have such a thing, I’d suggest you drop this as a criteria. Come on, 3/4 of the way to “BS” on your meter for this? Just because she was different in her attitudes towards modesty and the woman’s role in the courtship than women you have known personally? Is it so hard to believe there are women out there who are not romantically repressed? I believe there are, I married one.

Please recall, this is NOT a story about an American Boy and an American Girl. Other countries raise their children differently. I don’t find his description of her behavior/attitudes unbelievable.

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> -The carefully organized “titillating/erotic” factor : 85

What you see as careful organization, I believe to be simple recitation of fact. I could relate one of my own encounters from when I was dating and it would “titillate” just like **Skewbald’s** story. The actual situation was pretty titillating too 😉

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> -The way too perfect love story and the “dream-girl” : 100

This is just your own cynicism. This love story is far from “perfect” in my eyes. It’s very nice, yes, but not “way too perfect”. You want “way too perfect?” Go read The Princess Bride by William Goldman. The most beautiful girl in the world, (yes there is a ranking mentioned in the book version and she is classified as the most beautiful) a boy who loves her for years and patiently waits for her to notice him. This same boy conquers his mind and body in the hope that she might be pleased by a strong body and bright mind. All the while she grows to love him by abusing him and he never gets tired of it, blah, blah, blah. Great story, COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE.

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> -The strong american feel of the story (the dates, the “modesty” thing, the prom, the speedo issue…) : 125

I don’t see this as “American.” Dates pre-dated the US, hate to tell you this, but courtship rituals and outings happen in other countries too. Modesty is also worldwide. The speedo issue, is just plain weak. Speedo is international, they grew up in Australia, they have stores all over the Americas, and they are just built a brand new Superstore/Regional HQ in Britian. Yep, that’s Speedo, embarassing men the world over.

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> -Bathing at this time of the year in northern Europe : 130

[Check this link out](http://www.met-office.gov.uk/weather/europe/europeforecast.html) You can click on various European cities and get a 5-day forecast with high and low temps there. I just checked Amsterdam and Hamburg, both have temps up into the 70s(Fahrenheit) this week. Not exceptionally warm by my own personal standards(I live in Texas) but perfect beachgoing weather in those countries. With a nice sun, that would be great.

[Here is another feature of that site](http://www.met-office.gov.uk/weather/europe/europepast.html) where you can click on a country to get Climate info about it. This includes things like average temperatures at various times of year and coastal climate. Norway is a nice one to look at. Apparently they have quite nice weather on the beach at this time of year.

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> -The galloping horse on the beach : 175

😕 I don’t see what people have a problem with this for. Hell, I grew up a few miles from a lake and I would see people out riding occasionally. I grew up in a major metropolitan area of 3+ MILLION people. You couldn’t keep a horse within 15 miles of where I lived, but I still saw them sometimes. Why is this such a big deal?

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> -The boat the boy happens to have access to, the secret island where he intend to go : 350

I could get a boat if I wanted one, even on fairly short notice. Flatbed skiffs are quite cheap actually, the only boating around me is lakes. I’m sure they would be even more common if I lived in a coastal area. I also have memories of a “secret” island from some family trips to visit friends in a neighboring state. We took canoes or flatbed skiffs out to it a few times. Just about a mile long, not remarkable in any way, not habitable, not really worth building anything on because it would probably flood if the water level rose much. Small islands like this are quite common, and as a young man I often explored them when I had the opportunity. It’s not like he’s discovered Gilligan’s island here folks, this is a perfectly normal, small island. It’s someone’s property, but it’s just not remarkable enough to be fenced off or for anyone to bother trying to protect from kids who might want to play around on it.

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> In other words, I don’t believe for an instant that this story is anything else than fantasy…

That is your right, but don’t go spouting BS reasons for thinking something is BS.

And from the older thread

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> _Originally posted by Dinsdale_  
> First off, let me say he sounds like a great guy, and I hope him the best.
> 
> But a part of me was wondering, exactly what is the best? Many people are saying things like “Go for it” and “Keep on the way you are going and you will get the girl.” Folks - he’s GOT the girl. They’ve gone out twice, they are going to a dance, they’ve made out a couple of times, and she’s sat on his lap in her room. Heck, he’s already gotten further than I did all of my high school years - and a good bit of college as well.
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> Now, here’s where I anticipate some folk objecting to my questions, but are we expecting Skewbald to get laid? And are we hoping he’ll tell us about it?

We are hoping two young people will find a lasting and loving relationship with each other. That’s it. The only advice I see being given to him seems to be clumsy attempts at “don’t let her get away!” type encouragement. While this could be construed as “boink her! boink her!” I choose not to take that view.

I like hearing about it, it makes me feel less cynical and bitter about the state of the world when I can see things like this still happen. I suggest you turn off your inner Freud and enjoy the peek into what seems to be a lovely relationship.

Steven

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**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/73 "2002-05-21T15:06:58Z")

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Jeez, this is like some kind of formative-relationship issue:

“Well, I want to believe him, but what if I get burned?”  
“Sometimes, you just have to trust yourself - better to have enjoyed the post than never to have enjoyed at all”

THIS IS A POST TO A MESSAGE BOARD!! Granted, it is the SDMB, and we regular posters value our sense of belonging to it very much. But the whole structure of the internet in general, and this type of board in particular is to enable this type of thread, fiction or non-fiction. Isn’t there a reason for the SDMB disclaimer regarding real meetings between Dopers at the tops of MPSIMS? Yes - because this type of board is not conducive to full absolute truth - that is part of its appeal.

The only time the truthfulness matters is if we are expected to give something back that costs us. But **Skewbald** is not:  
a) asking for our money  
b) asking to meet someplace for something yucky  
c) asking for a commitment that costs us anything of deep value - this is not a story of a homeless drug addict playing for emotional commitment

If it is fiction - wow, you write well - the fact that people are angst-ing about the truthfulness of your post, **Skewy** , is evidence enough that you have been effective. If it is non-fiction - wow, you write well - thanks for sharing.

Heck, thanks for sharing either way.

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**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/74 "2002-05-21T15:38:29Z")

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I just read the op describing the clever, well conversed date, and made syrup for my pancakes of disbelief out of the sap that oozed from the admittedly well written story.

Hi everyone. I’m troy mcclure. I was eighteen once. I was very smart, and funny and clever. but you know what? On a very first date? I did not ask a guy how big his cock was. Here’s more of the conversation:

“you…wannagooutonSaturday?”  
“dunno. sure! Sure!”  
“cool”  
“yeah”  
“ok. I’ll see you”

and that was in AP English.

I think it’s a really detailed fantasy story. Don’t believe a word of it.

Stay tuned…next week I’ll be posting my “Hot Date with Six German Nationals and their Humongous Cocks”

It’ll be great.

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**Author:** ![Ich\_Bin\_s](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Ich\_Bin\_s](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ich_Bin_s)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/75 "2002-05-21T15:56:03Z")

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I told you not to talk about that. Why haven’t you called?

(insert smiley here. winking smiley, that is)

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/76 "2002-05-21T16:21:18Z")

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> [@](#):
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> \*Originally posted by WordMan \*  
> \*\*THIS IS A POST TO A MESSAGE BOARD!! Granted, it is the SDMB, and we regular posters value our sense of belonging to it very much. But the whole structure of the internet in general, and this type of board in particular is to enable this type of thread, fiction or non-fiction. Isn’t there a reason for the SDMB disclaimer regarding real meetings between Dopers at the tops of MPSIMS? Yes - because this type of board is not conducive to full absolute truth - that is part of its appeal.
> 
> The only time the truthfulness matters is if we are expected to give something back that costs us. But **Skewbald** is not:  
> a) asking for our money  
> b) asking to meet someplace for something yucky  
> c) asking for a commitment that costs us anything of deep value - this is not a story of a homeless drug addict playing for emotional commitment  
> \*\*

The problem is that playing with people’s emotions (even good ones like **Skrewy** 😉 has been using) isn’t nice. If it’s fiction, passing it off as pure fact isn’t nice. (And while I was dubious through most of it, the secret island (which, no doubt will have Pirate Treasure or something on it) broke my suspension of disbelief.

**Wordman** : I don’t know if you were here a while back, but there was a loonie named Honesty Jones or somesuch (I believe she was also BooBoosLittleTigerette or something) who got her jollies about posting about her dying baby. Which, of course, was pure fiction. A **LOT** of posters got hurt after pouring out their similar experiences, their hurt, etc. While **Skrewbald** (if his stuff is fiction) isn’t even on the same level or in the same ballpark, it’s still the same basic…“crime”…I guess.

**Scylla’s** “Ewe Sluts” is obviously fiction. Most of us have embellished a real event to make the story better/more readable. But I see making one up (if that’s what he’s doing) as being totally different.

Fenris

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**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/77 "2002-05-21T16:23:28Z")

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What else is obvious is that Fenris has a huge huge penis.

I saw it before gym.

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**Author:** ![manwithaplan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@manwithaplan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manwithaplan)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/78 "2002-05-21T16:26:42Z")

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I was latecomer to the thread and I was thoroughly entertained. I’m usually a pretty hardened cynic but I really enjoyed the interaction between **Skewbald** and his audience. The ‘aawww’ factor is there for all to see and we’re all getting a kick out of a beautifully observed story.

Questioning the story’s authenticity doesn’t serve any purpose other than to court admiration for the whistleblower’s amazing powers of deduction :rolleyes:. The readers aren’t stupid - of course the thought that it might be harmless fiction (_fiction, not bullshit_) has done more that cross our minds. Do you really think that this is a case of a crowd of wide-eyed innocents failing to pick up on the inconsistencies? It’s just more of a laugh if nobody says anything.

Why don’t you further the cause of science elsewhere - I think some kids need telling that there’s no Santa Claus.

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/79 "2002-05-21T16:45:03Z")

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> \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \*  
> \*\*What else is obvious is that Fenris has a huge huge penis.
> 
> I saw it before gym. \*\*

\< coy \>  
T’tell the truth, **jarbaby** , I didn’t wear underpants 'cause I _hoped_ you’d see it and be impressed with it’s massitude.  
\< /coy \>

Shy Fenris

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**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\
**Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-elses-bs-meter-going-off-in-response-to-the-pyjama-pants-girl-thread/109902/80 "2002-05-21T16:49:30Z")

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\< less shy \>  
So now **Jarbaby** , will you take me to your Secret Island filled with Pirate Treasure where we will have life-affirming adventure, meaningful dialogue and hot, sweaty monkey love?  
\< /less shy \>

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