# Anyone feeling buyers remorse about Obama yet? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2010, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201 "2010-06-06T21:41:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/321 "2010-06-09T16:20:00Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Quite my point. You’re not looking to preserve what is, which is “conservative”. You want to go back forty years. Reactionary. No, you couldn’t be more wrong. I don’t think you’ll find one single post where I ever said that I “want to go back” to any previous era. The toothpaste is out of the tube and there’s no going back. What I want is for people to look at the harm librealism has caused, recognize that it has caused much worse problems in genuine terms of human suffering and loss of life than ever existed during the so-called bad old days, and rethink whether their ideology and way of looking at things is as smart as they like to think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/322 "2010-06-09T16:20:04Z")
If Obama said something as dumb as “bring it on, terrorists” you may rest assured I’d be giving him a verbal dressing down commensurate with the one I gave Bush. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/323 "2010-06-09T16:20:30Z")
Bush didn’t say he was an idiot who was going to start a futile, ruinously expensive war. He was an idiot who started a futile and ruinously expensive war. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/324 "2010-06-09T16:33:17Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > If Obama said something as dumb as “bring it on, terrorists” you may rest assured I’d be giving him a verbal dressing down commensurate with the one I gave Bush. That wasn’t one of his better moments, I agree with you. I had images of that clip being played for terror recruits with Imams saying “See? The leader of the great satan is questioning your manhood and committment to Allah!” ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/325 "2010-06-09T16:34:19Z")
> [@Evil\_One](#): > > Obama talking about “who’s ass to kick” on the Today show made for a nice chuckle. > > A ham-handed attempt to “sound tough and engaged” on a national broadcast with a sympathetic interviewer. Does anyone really believe that was anything but contrived? > > I can only imagine the derision if GWB had said something like that in similar circumstances. The same people that find it swoon-worthy when coming from Obama would be using words like “crude” “inappropriate” and “Unpresidential”. I don’t think anyone who holds a beer glass [like this](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qu-NsGz9y5E/SXjYx6M00eI/AAAAAAAABEY/bmWVfCSMck4/s400/obama+beer+bbw.jpg) is gonna be striking much fear in the heart of anyone whose ass he’s threatening to kick. 😃 At least when GWB said “Bring it on”, you knew he meant it and was up for the fight. Barney Fife? Not so much. This is just another example of Obama’s not knowing what he’s doing. He’s acting according to what his advisors tell him he should be doing rather than what his intelligence, wisdom, experience, or sense dictate. When Reagan said “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” it rang true because it was in keeping with Reagan’s personality and personna. Obama threatening to kick someone’s ass (once he’s able to find out from the “experts” whose ass to kick, that is :rolleyes:) is laughable. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/326 "2010-06-09T16:34:31Z")
Either that or “the leader of the Great Satan has been watching too many cheerleading movies.” [QUOTE=Starving Artist] When Reagan said “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall” it rang true because it was in keeping with Reagan’s personality and personna. [/QUOTE] Well, his leadership style certainly involved delegating a lot of responsibility and authority. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/327 "2010-06-09T16:38:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > At least when GWB said “Bring it on”, you knew he meant it and was up for the fight. Barney Fife? Not so much. Right, cause if Al Qaeda invaded the White House he was ready to beat them in hand to hand combat. It’s easy to be macho when someone else is getting killed for it. Bush had his chance to prove what a fighter he was in the Vietnam era and chose not to. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/328 "2010-06-09T16:39:57Z")
Bet he could drink them under the table, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/329 "2010-06-09T16:40:26Z")
Sir! Not a single Viet Cong aircraft ever threatened the skies above Amarillo! Not on his watch! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/330 "2010-06-09T16:50:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Incidentally, I do agree with the basic point that saying “you’re an idiot” when you mean “I disagree with you” is massively overused and getting worse. I disagree that it’s predominantly a trait of liberals. Maybe if conservatives didn’t stubbornly subscribe to so many fucking retarded ideas, you woudn’t have this problem. Not all insults are de facto invalid, you know. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/331 "2010-06-09T16:52:52Z")
I didn’t say they were all invalid, just that it was overused. It’s used in many cases where it’s not justified and the level of debate suffers for it. In general, it’s a symptom of the partisan attitude of always assuming that someone you have political disagreements with is a bad person that you should attack. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/332 "2010-06-09T16:56:07Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > Let me stand up as a former starry-eyed Obamaite who now sees the asshole for what he is. Obama=Bush in Blackface. Obama is just much more articulate than Bush when it comes to saying absolutely nothing. Let’s see… You joined SDMB in June 2009, and by August 16, 2009 you were already posting “Obama is Bush in blackface.” So it sounds like you went from starry-eyed Obamaite to totally disillusioned in only 7 months. Forgive me if I say that you probably were not a total fan of Obama in the first place, and you likely would rather have had the option of voting for a viable 3rd party candidate. Either that or this was your very first election and you were incredibly naive about the political realities of governing. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/333 "2010-06-09T17:04:07Z")
Call it **Der Trihs** syndrome. He’s hardly the only one guilty of it, but his “you are a conservative, therefore you are evil; you are evil, therefore you are a conservative” shtick makes the rest of us look bad. It’s a sort of circular reasoning which does nobody any good. You could equally call it **Starving Artist** syndrome. “Liberalism is evil, so anything evil must be liberals’ fault. Everything is the liberals’ fault, so liberalism is evil.” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/334 "2010-06-09T17:07:26Z")
I wonder if Der Trihs and SA had sex if we’d get something akin to a matter/antimatter explosion. ---
**Author:** ![adhay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@adhay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adhay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/335 "2010-06-09T17:23:22Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Let’s see… You joined SDMB in June 2009, and by August 16, 2009 you were already posting “Obama is Bush in blackface.” > > So it sounds like you went from starry-eyed Obamaite to totally disillusioned in only 7 months. Forgive me if I say that you probably were not a total fan of Obama in the first place, and you likely would rather have had the option of voting for a viable 3rd party candidate. > > Either that or this was your very first election and you were incredibly naive about the political realities of governing. I’ll take your word for it that it only took me 7 mos to tumble to Obama’s bushshit. I’m a quick study, evidently. I assure you, I _was_ a total Obama fan. I’ve voted exactly in two elections, '72 against Nixon and _for_ Obama 34 yrs. later. After Nixon was reelected, I just gave up on the electoral process. I wouldn’t have bothered to vote in 2008 if I hadn’t already registered Green in 2006 to vote (early mail in here) on a state initiative legalizing pot. (which went down, 2-1, we’ll keep trying I suppose). It soon became clear that Kucinich was the most notable decent human being in Congress. Of course, he lost a bit of that decency, IMHO, when he finally caved to Obama on health care. Nader or Chomsky for me. I’m not holding my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/336 "2010-06-09T17:29:56Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > At least when GWB said “Bring it on”, you knew he meant it and was up for the fight. No, he wasn’t up for any fight, he was inviting insurgents to kill American troops. When he had his chance to fight, he deserted, remember? ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/337 "2010-06-09T17:32:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I wonder if Der Trihs and SA had sex if we’d get something akin to a matter/antimatter explosion. Intractable force meet immovable object. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/338 "2010-06-09T18:10:38Z")
> [@adhay](#): > > Nader or Chomsky for me. I’m not holding my breath. Chomsky? Seriously? I’ll put you down as “starry eyed naive idealist” then. I enjoy Chomsky’s writing, but I would never think that he could hope to make a decent politician. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/339 "2010-06-09T18:12:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I wonder if Der Trihs and SA had sex if we’d get something akin to a matter/antimatter explosion. Or the AntiChrist. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2010, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201/340 "2010-06-09T18:15:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Or the AntiChrist. Or a sight for which there isn’t enough brain bleach in the world… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-feeling-buyers-remorse-about-obama-yet/542201.md?page=18)