# Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 29, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652 "2011-05-29T12:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/181 "2011-06-23T02:05:27Z")
Today the judge confirmed the Prosecution will be putting on rebuttal witnesses after the defense rests. Looks like this trial will drag on awhile. I think the defense has at least another 7 to 8 days worth of testimony. They probably won’t finish until the end of June. Hope the judge arranges a nice barbecue for July 4. I’d bet the jury will still be waiting for closing arguments by then. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/182 "2011-06-23T03:22:58Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Where have you been? > > Cops dont go after fellow cops. Well, they do sometimes, but besides that George was a cop many years ago, in Ohio. He has no connections in the Orlando area police. > [@Susanann](#): > > George might not have wanted his past investigated more than it was. Who knows what George might have in his past? The police and prosecution know what George has in his past, because they have investigated him extensively. I’m pretty confident I know what he has in his past, because I’ve read like everything I can get my hands on about this case. And yeah–there’s nothing that interesting. **Susanann** , have you read all the document dumps of evidence that have been released? Or are you just watching the trial? ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/183 "2011-06-23T03:23:56Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Yeah. Well, based on the evidence presented _here_, you seem to have a deep prejudice against the police which has nothing to do with this case, and you’re simply trying desperately to pound a square peg into a round hole. . . I’ll take it even further than that. Having read **Susanann** ’s posts before, it’s clear to me that in her world, no suspicious death is ever free of the involvement some EVIL MAN!!! ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/184 "2011-06-23T03:32:30Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > “Zanny” or “Zanny Bars” has been slang for Xanax (again, among those who like getting gooned out on tranquilizers) around here for years as well. > > I am sure this is exactly what happened; Casey wanted a way to knock Caylee out for hours at a stretch (saving her the $$$ of having to shell out for a sitter) while she got her drink/drug/fuck on, (that’s why she was also interested in chloroform) and wasn’t smart enough to figure out that a toddler’s metabolism and tolerance isn’t the same as an adults is. > > Why she didn’t just admit to her parents or a social-services organization that she wasn’t able to be a proper mother is the real mystery here, as I am sure that a loving home could have been arranged for Caylee, either in the family or with others who would have lavished the little girl with TLC… There is really no mystery here. Casey is missing the part that most of us have that makes us consider our actions further than “right now and how can I make myself happy?”. Her parents probably tried to do the right thing in in their view by forcing her to take some responsiblity for her little girl. She dealt with it as any in sociopath would-deal with the immediate issue of how to keep Caylee sleeping and out of her way ie “Zanny the Nanny”. This is someone who is irretrievably broken. Even now I am sure that Casey considers herself the victim. She certainly said as much in her jailhouse conversations with her family. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/185 "2011-06-23T04:08:39Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > There is really no mystery here. Casey is missing the part that most of us have that makes us consider our actions further than “right now and how can I make myself happy?” Agreed. Look at the ham handed theft from her good friend Amy Huizenga. Did she actually believe it would not be traced back to her? I don’t think she gave it a moment’s thought. When and if it came back to her, she would simply launch into a string of lies and ridiculous stories to explain why she did nothing wrong. She is very good at this. > [@](#): > > Her parents probably tried to do the right thing in in their view by forcing her to take some responsiblity for her little girl Cindy had been telling Casey for some time that she felt Casey was an unfit mother. According to some accounts (which will never see the light of day in court), there was a big argument the weekend before Caylee’s disappearance, wherein Cindy threatened to take Casey to court to win custody of Caylee. Some bloggers out there point to this as another motive for Casey wanting Caylee out of the picture completely. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/186 "2011-06-23T04:23:13Z")
> [@splatterpunk](#): > > According to some accounts (which will never see the light of day in court), there was a big argument the weekend before Caylee’s disappearance, wherein Cindy threatened to take Casey to court to win custody of Caylee. Some bloggers out there point to this as another motive for Casey wanting Caylee out of the picture completely. So the thinking here is that Casey would rather have Caylee gone forever than let her mother Cindy have custody? Almost unfathomable for me to imagine someone that fucked up… ETA—The closest thing I can relate that to is a spoiled two-year old child in tantrum mode throwing her ice cream on the ground rather than having to give someone else a taste of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/187 "2011-06-23T04:29:24Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > So the thinking here is that Casey would rather have Caylee gone forever than let her mother Cindy have custody? > > Almost unfathomable for me to imagine someone that fucked up… > > ETA—The closest thing I can relate that to is a spoiled two-year old child in tantrum mode throwing her ice cream on the ground rather than having to give someone else a taste of it. LOL, hey, you probably just nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/188 "2011-06-23T04:56:00Z")
I don’t know the FL law, but I can’t imagine that your child accidentally drowning in your backyard pool would be something that could get you criminally charged. Sure, if the police show up and you are passed out on the couch with a heroin needle sticking out of your arm, that will get you in trouble, but a simple negligent act like failing to lock the gate, pull the ladder up, taking your eye off of the kid for a couple of moments, are almost never reasons to charge a parent. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/189 "2011-06-23T14:34:08Z")
> [@jtgain](#): > > I don’t know the FL law, but I can’t imagine that your child accidentally drowning in your backyard pool would be something that could get you criminally charged. Sure, if the police show up and you are passed out on the couch with a heroin needle sticking out of your arm, that will get you in trouble, but a simple negligent act like failing to lock the gate, pull the ladder up, taking your eye off of the kid for a couple of moments, are almost never reasons to charge a parent. Quoted for truth. In order to be found guilty of a crime like murder, the jury has to find that the defendant had the required “culpable mental state,” or in other words, a guilty mind, such that they performed some act with the intent to cause death or knowledge that it could cause death. You couldn’t be convicted of murder if a kid accidentally drowns in your pool, because you didn’t _intend_ for the death to occur. If you didn’t take necessary care to prevent kids from drowning in your pool, you might be on the hook for a civil lawsuit, but not for a crime. And as a former police officer, Casey’s dad knows that very well. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/190 "2011-06-23T16:52:01Z")
It probably would’ve been far better for Casey if she’d drugged Caylee and put her in the pool to actually drown. She could cry “my poor baby!” and people would’ve had sympathy towards her. She didn’t think this through far enough. I wonder if she agreed to allocute and tell exactly what happened if they’d take the death penalty off the table? StG ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/191 "2011-06-23T17:01:26Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > Quoted for truth. In order to be found guilty of a crime like murder, the jury has to find that the defendant had the required “culpable mental state,” or in other words, a guilty mind, such that they performed some act with the intent to cause death or knowledge that it could cause death. Intent is not a requirement for all crimes. There’s an entire class of criminal acts which require only negligence. Under Florida law, a parent or other caregiver could certainly be charged with involuntary manslaughter for allowing a child to drown in a pool. [This woman](http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091113/breaking/311139987) was charged with manslaughter for allowing her infant son to drown in the bathtub. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/192 "2011-06-23T17:20:20Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > I wonder if she agreed to allocute and tell exactly what happened if they’d take the death penalty off the table? Given all of the lies she has told, turn after turn, who would believe her. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/193 "2011-06-23T17:21:54Z")
Aside from the trial details, I think fashion wise she’s presenting a bit chola, gangsta girl. Look at how she’s styled her hair, pulled back in a high ponytail, on the sides it’s tight and gelled maybe shaved around the hairline… Settling in pretty well with the prison population? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/194 "2011-06-23T17:40:00Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Settling in pretty well with the prison population? I heard that she is in isolation…no contact other than writing, with other inmates. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/195 "2011-06-23T18:52:50Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Intent is not a requirement for all crimes. There’s an entire class of criminal acts which require only negligence. Which is why I specified “a crime like murder”. > [@](#): > > Under Florida law, a parent or other caregiver could certainly be charged with involuntary manslaughter for allowing a child to drown in a pool. [This woman](http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20091113/breaking/311139987) was charged with manslaughter for allowing her infant son to drown in the bathtub. Leaving an 11-month-old alone in a tub has the easily-foreseeable consequence of a drowned infant. Possession of a pool does not. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/196 "2011-06-23T19:20:15Z")
I’m confused about these two exchanges. Number one: > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > What motive did George have for covering up an accidental death of Caylee? > [@Susanann](#): > > 1. to stay out of prison. The legal commentators on tv have all said that even if Caylees death was an accident, that Casey would still be guilty of a felony. Since it was George’s fault, not Caseys, then it would be George who would be facing hard time in prison, It was Georges pool, it was Georges ladder. It wss probably Georges fault. Number two: > [@Omar\_Little](#): > > If the prosecution thought George Anthony had anything to do with Caylee’s death, he would have been charged as well. > [@Susanann](#): > > Cops dont go after fellow cops. 😕 So does an ex-policeman need to fear the strong arm of the law, or not? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/197 "2011-06-23T19:33:15Z")
**Wow!!** Cindy just testified that she was searching google for Chlorophyll. Because she was worried about her dogs eating plants. That search lead to her searching chloroform. A byproduct of the Chlorophyll process. During prosecution rebuttal it came out that Cindy told the prosecutor this in her 2009 deposition. They’ve been blaming Casey for this search. The defense has the police computer forensic examiner on now discussing these searches. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/198 "2011-06-23T19:59:01Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > **Wow!!** > Cindy just testified that she was searching google for Chlorophyll. Because she was worried about her dogs eating plants. That search lead to her searching chloroform. A byproduct of the Chlorophyll process. During prosecution rebuttal it came out that Cindy told the prosecutor this in her 2009 deposition. > > They’ve been blaming Casey for this search. > > The defense has the police computer forensic examiner on now discussing these searches. Cindy also testified that the stain in the car trunk was there when she bought it many years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/199 "2011-06-23T20:00:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > **Wow!!** > > Cindy just testified that she was searching google for Chlorophyll. Because she was worried about her dogs eating plants. That search lead to her searching chloroform. A byproduct of the Chlorophyll process. During prosecution rebuttal it came out that Cindy told the prosecutor this in her 2009 deposition. > > They’ve been blaming Casey for this search. > > The defense has the police computer forensic examiner on now discussing these searches. It also came out that she was officially at work when those searches were done on the home computer, but the work records were somehow in error when they stated she was at work those three times. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/200 "2011-06-23T20:02:18Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Intent is not a requirement for all crimes. There’s an entire class of criminal acts which require only negligence. That’s why I asked about FL law. Here simple negligence won’t get you charged with a crime. Even gross negligence will not get you charged. You must cross into the realm of reckless conduct to move into involuntary manslaughter. I understand that some states charge recklessness as “malice murder” but that’s a pretty high threshold. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=11)