# Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 29, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652 "2011-05-29T12:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/281 "2011-06-28T20:23:13Z")
I think Kronk waited from August until Dec. hoping the reward would go up. He admitted being pissed about the deputy chewing him out in August. I don’t think he disturbed the body. He did the right thing by reporting the find in Aug. But, then didn’t feel a need to pursue the issue. He didn’t break the law. He had no obligation to report the body again. He had called the cops three times already. Casey is still guilty. Kronk had nothing to do with the death of Caylee. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/282 "2011-06-28T20:36:37Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > If Kronk moved things around in August, it confuses the testimony about duct tape stuck to the skull, plant growth, etc. … maybe the timeline changes or something, but they still found Caylee’s body that had undergone months of decomposition. Now, if they can establish that Kronk (or someone) moved the body from another site altogether or something like that. That would be something. I kind of thought the duct-tape stuff was a forensic dead end. It didn’t help establish a cause of death. No prints or useful DNA came off of the tape. So how does the defense gain anything by calling … something … into question regarding the duct tape? Diclosure: I am not watching the trial, so I could be missing a lot of context. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/283 "2011-06-28T20:57:45Z")
based on the short CNN summarys, today had to be a total loss for the defense. From what I understand, Kronk reported his findings in august - he didnt ‘wait’ until december - I don’t knwo (or understand) exactly what changed in December except maybe he was closer or got a better look and maybe ‘finally’ got someone to look as well. In any event, he’s not a credible wittness for either side other than being the one that discovered/re-discovered the body in December - he hasn’t testified to anything other than location - he hasn’t been tied to the Anthony’s beyond taht (to my knowledge) - etc. George on the stand again fervently denies the Defense allogations - Couple that with the defense attempt to change the possible sentence, the attempt at getting Casey declared incompetent - and the defense looks very ‘nervous’ all the way around - grasping - I wonder how this is playing to the jury? (since they have alot more info to deal with then the little I am ). ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/284 "2011-06-28T20:59:44Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > … maybe the timeline changes or something, but they still found Caylee’s body that had undergone months of decomposition. > > Now, if they can establish that Kronk (or someone) moved the body from another site altogether or something like that. That would be something. > > I kind of thought the duct-tape stuff was a forensic dead end. It didn’t help establish a cause of death. No prints or useful DNA came off of the tape. So how does the defense gain anything by calling … something … into question regarding the duct tape? > > Diclosure: I am not watching the trial, so I could be missing a lot of context. The duct tape is the prosecutions murder weapon - getting that doubted goes along way to reasonable doubt. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/285 "2011-06-28T21:18:21Z")
> [@simster](#): > > The duct tape is the prosecutions murder weapon - getting that doubted goes along way to reasonable doubt. Hmmm … for some reason, I thought the prosecution was going to get around to the drugged-to-death scenario eventually. The prosecution has been trying to establish that Casey suffocated the child with tape? Independently of any Xanax/chloroform drugging? So nothing about Casey Anthony drugging her daughter to sleep or anything like that … none of that has been introduced? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/286 "2011-06-28T21:20:33Z")
> [@simster](#): > > In any event, he’s not a credible wittness for either side other than being the one that discovered/re-discovered the body in December - he hasn’t testified to anything other than location - he hasn’t been tied to the Anthony’s beyond taht (to my knowledge) - etc. Someone posted on another board that the defense is trying to posit that Kronk placed the duct tape on Casey’s corpse sometime between August and December. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/287 "2011-06-28T21:36:32Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Someone posted on another board that the defense is trying to posit that Kronk placed the duct tape on Casey’s corpse sometime between August and December. :dubious: Well if that’s what they are trying to do, then they have failed so far. Based upon the testimony so far, no one could have gotten that impression. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/288 "2011-06-28T21:38:05Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Hmmm … for some reason, I thought the prosecution was going to get around to the drugged-to-death scenario eventually. The prosecution has been trying to establish that Casey suffocated the child with tape? Independently of any Xanax/chloroform drugging? > > So nothing about Casey Anthony drugging her daughter to sleep or anything like that … none of that has been introduced? No because it’s just a theory, there is no evidence to support it. There is evidence to support death by chloroform overdose and suffocation by having the duct tape placed over her mouth. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/289 "2011-06-28T21:41:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Not trusting the person that found the body could plant reasonable doubt in my mind. He wasn’t candid about wanting the reward. As a juror, I’d probably still vote guilty. But my vote might be swayed by debates in the jury room. Something just seems off with Kronk. Why would this plant reasonable doubt in your mind? Assuming for the sake of argument that Kronk is an utter sleazebag, what on earth does that have to do with the death of Caylee? So what if he wanted to collect a reward? How does that impact in any way the state’s theory that Casey killed her daughter and dumped her body into the woods? No offense, but defense lawyers live for people like you. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/290 "2011-06-28T22:17:03Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Hmmm … for some reason, I thought the prosecution was going to get around to the drugged-to-death scenario eventually. The prosecution has been trying to establish that Casey suffocated the child with tape? Independently of any Xanax/chloroform drugging? > > So nothing about Casey Anthony drugging her daughter to sleep or anything like that … none of that has been introduced? That’s all conjecture, and to me, it seems to be mostly Internet-discussion conjecture, not police theories. For the most part, Caylee’s whereabouts seem to be accounted for right up until mid-June of 2008. For the most part, she was either with Cindy or Casey–there’s no periods of time where she could have been stashed drugged in a trunk, as I’ve read some people speculate. They did a tox screen on Caylee’s hair, and it came up negative. That’s not that conclusive, because as I understand it anything she had been given around the time of her death wouldn’t show up in her hair that quickly. But if Casey had been in the habit of using anything as a chemical babysitter, including Xanax or chloroform, that should have shown up in the test. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/291 "2011-06-28T22:18:04Z")
Bella vita!!! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/292 "2011-06-28T22:44:32Z")
So the current defense theory- please correct any parts that are wrong: Caylee drowned in her grandparents’ pool. Because he didn’t want his wife to get upset, Grandfather told Casey “Let’s just dispose of the body and tell your mom she disappeared if and when she asked”. A former cop who lives in a state rife with swamps and coastlines and easy access to gator ridden swamps and feral former-pet pythons and hundreds of miles of coastline in easy access to gulf and ocean currents, the best plan of disposing of the body he could think of was “how about in a wooded area a couple of miles down the road?”, perhaps on the logic that if the cunning scheme should fall through then perhaps Granny wouldn’t be as upset knowing at least Caylee wasn’t gator chow. Casey goes along with all of this because she’d once had her dad’s penis in her mouth before school. Then she goes out and parties because that’s what one does when one is accustomed to being molested by one’s father who has just tossed one’s child’s body away. Oh, that and lie to law enforcement about employment status and steal credit cards and cash. When Grandma noticed a few weeks later that nobody had seen Caylee she got suspicious and called the cops. At that point, rather than say “Caylee… Caylee… OH, you mean Caylee, our granddaughter. Yeah, she drowned in the pool and we tossed her in the woods. We’d have told you earlier but we didn’t want you to get upset.” Instead, to save her feelings and keep her calm, they just let her think the kid is kidnapped by a name that Casey pulled out of her ass. When the cops come closing in all around them George keeps up the charade and in fact doubles down by getting Casey to tell some more lies and never once letting on he knows anything. At some point he goes to a hotel, either to commit suicide or to catch the last episode of _Entourage_ since they don’t have HBO at home, and he leaves a note, but still doesn’t think it’s worth telling the cops he knows what happened to his granddaughter. Meanwhile the meter reader sees a body, picks it up and puts it in his car, and calls the cops. (May seem a bit backwards but he’s apparently a dyslexic meter reader- somebody might want to check to see if some people on the block are getting $0.11 bills while others are getting them for $209,792.32.) Later he rethinks it and takes the body back when a reward or a deal with PUNK’D or whatever falls through. Casey goes to jail for a couple of years but sits on the cover up of what really happened the entire time. So does Grandfather because…well, it’s become sort of a family tradition by this point. Oh and brother molested her too… not really, well, he tried, but he struck out. And something about coyotes and about a pizza stinking up the car. What am I leaving out? ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/293 "2011-06-28T23:20:45Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > What am I leaving out? The part where JonBenet wet the bed… ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/294 "2011-06-28T23:59:00Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So the current defense theory- please correct any parts that are wrong: > > Caylee drowned in her grandparents’ pool. Because he didn’t want his wife to get upset, Grandfather told Casey “Let’s just dispose of the body and tell your mom she disappeared if and when she asked”. A former cop who lives in a state rife with swamps and coastlines and easy access to gator ridden swamps and feral former-pet pythons and hundreds of miles of coastline in easy access to gulf and ocean currents, the best plan of disposing of the body he could think of was “how about in a wooded area a couple of miles down the road?”, perhaps on the logic that if the cunning scheme should fall through then perhaps Granny wouldn’t be as upset knowing at least Caylee wasn’t gator chow. > > Casey goes along with all of this because she’d once had her dad’s penis in her mouth before school. Then she goes out and parties because that’s what one does when one is accustomed to being molested by one’s father who has just tossed one’s child’s body away. Oh, that and lie to law enforcement about employment status and steal credit cards and cash. > > When Grandma noticed a few weeks later that nobody had seen Caylee she got suspicious and called the cops. At that point, rather than say “Caylee… Caylee… OH, you mean Caylee, our granddaughter. Yeah, she drowned in the pool and we tossed her in the woods. We’d have told you earlier but we didn’t want you to get upset.” Instead, to save her feelings and keep her calm, they just let her think the kid is kidnapped by a name that Casey pulled out of her ass. > > When the cops come closing in all around them George keeps up the charade and in fact doubles down by getting Casey to tell some more lies and never once letting on he knows anything. At some point he goes to a hotel, either to commit suicide or to catch the last episode of _Entourage_ since they don’t have HBO at home, and he leaves a note, but still doesn’t think it’s worth telling the cops he knows what happened to his granddaughter. > > Meanwhile the meter reader sees a body, picks it up and puts it in his car, and calls the cops. (May seem a bit backwards but he’s apparently a dyslexic meter reader- somebody might want to check to see if some people on the block are getting $0.11 bills while others are getting them for $209,792.32.) Later he rethinks it and takes the body back when a reward or a deal with PUNK’D or whatever falls through. > > Casey goes to jail for a couple of years but sits on the cover up of what really happened the entire time. So does Grandfather because…well, it’s become sort of a family tradition by this point. Oh and brother molested her too… not really, well, he tried, but he struck out. And something about coyotes and about a pizza stinking up the car. > > What am I leaving out? Nothing, really, except the fact that the goofy meter reader apparently poked at and moved some of the remains at the recovery site\*, ergo Casey must be innocent, since said meter reader is - in the words of Jose Baez, Lead Council for the Casey Anthony Defense™ - “morally bankrupt.” Otherwise, you’ve summed up the theory of defense quite nicely. - The defense has yet to present any evidence that Kronk (aforementioned goofy meter reader) did anything other than poke and prod at the skull at the recovery site. There is nothing in evidence to indicate that he removed the remains from the scene. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/295 "2011-06-29T06:54:20Z")
**Sampiro** , I hope the prosecution uses your post as their closing! ---
**Author:** ![conovox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@conovox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/conovox)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/296 "2011-06-29T14:20:45Z")
From the stand, TO HIS OWN DAUGHTER:S ATTORNEY (who’s trying to keep Casey off of death row): “you’re trying to take the joy of my life away from me” !!! What? Under what absolutely twisted, reverse, perverse set of circumstances would that thought, much less that statement, spew out of a father’s mouth??? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/297 "2011-06-29T14:26:52Z")
> [@conovox](#): > > From the stand, TO HIS OWN DAUGHTER:S ATTORNEY (who’s trying to keep Casey off of death row): “you’re trying to take the joy of my life away from me” !!! > > What? > > Under what absolutely twisted, reverse, perverse set of circumstances would that thought, much less that statement, spew out of a father’s mouth??? Pretty sure that statement from George, was not in the context you’re thinking that it was. I believe it was in the context of Caylee, not Casey. ---
**Author:** ![Winnie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@Winnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnie)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/298 "2011-06-29T14:29:48Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Pretty sure that statement from George, was not in the context you’re thinking that it was. I believe it was in the context of Caylee, not Casey. That’s the way I took it, too, since the rest of his testimony was pretty much admitting he thinks she killed Caylee. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/299 "2011-06-29T14:37:28Z")
So, the defenses motion on the death penalty contained language asking for a mistrial? isn’t that a bit of a stretch? I can see removing the death penalty from the possible sentences based on a case that happened ‘mid case’ of this one, but asking for a mis-trial? ---
**Author:** ![conovox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@conovox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/conovox)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/300 "2011-06-29T14:52:17Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Pretty sure that statement from George, was not in the context you’re thinking that it was. I believe it was in the context of Caylee, not Casey. Mayyyyyyyyyyybe; but this guy really intrigues, right? He gets defensive at just the wrong times, and Casey gets riled up during seemingly relatively wierd times. He’s asking about media appearrances, and Casey mutters while hands on temples, “I’m losing my mind”. Wha? GA has got to have some degree of complicity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=16)