# Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 29, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652 "2011-05-29T12:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/341 "2011-06-29T20:35:15Z")
She’s describing a wide range of grief responses. Every person does it differently. So far Ashton, has kept her from saying much. Ashton is constantly interrupting. They said yesterday that this lady has not talked with Casey. So, she’s only testifying in general areas about grief and how people respond. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/342 "2011-06-29T20:41:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I rather hear a grief counselor that’s done the real world work than some Psychiatrist that’s only read books. They need someone who’s done both – and they are a lot out there. This particular grief counselor was a bad choice of expert witness. When asked who peer-reviewed one of her publications, she replied – not a joke – “Barnes & Noble” :smack: … More generally – is it getting to be accepted psychiatric convetional wisdom that there’s no such thing as an “inappropriate” or “suspicious” grief response? That, more or less, it’s all good? ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/343 "2011-06-29T21:02:51Z")
Yeah, see … Ashton basically put it back on the grief counselor: “_In your opinion, EVERYTHING is consistent with grief._” Maybe that’s scientifically true, dunno. But that runs counter to most people’s private intuitions about grief … I think with the grief counselor discredited, the jurors may get back to exercising their own private opinions regarding appropriate grief responses. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/344 "2011-06-29T21:03:50Z")
This lady is too talkative for testifying in court. Experts in court testimony need very short and direct answers to lawyers questions. This lady is probably a fantastic counselor and College Professor. I’d enjoy taking one of her classes. She’s probably very animated in her lectures. She needs to turn down offers for Expert testimony in court. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/345 "2011-06-29T21:08:59Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This lady is too talkative for testifying in court. Experts in court testimony need very short and direct answers to lawyers questions. > > This lady is probably a fantastic counselor and College Professor. I’d enjoy taking one of her classes. She’s probably very animated in her lectures. > > She needs to turn down offers for Expert testimony in court. Probably won’t be much of an issue at this point… ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/346 "2011-06-29T21:17:05Z")
One question… This lady has been in London and wasn’t aware of the trial. She said she hasn’t reviewed the case at all. Isn’t that a good thing? She’s there to testify about the grief process in general. Seems like she needs to be neutral. If she followed the case, then she’d have some opinion about Casey. Yet, Ashton made the point that she isn’t familiar with the case? I don’t see the issue Ashton is raising. He should be thrilled that she is unfamiliar with the case. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/347 "2011-06-29T21:18:42Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > One question… > > This lady has been in London and wasn’t aware of the trial. She said she hasn’t reviewed the case at all. > > Isn’t that a good thing? She’s there to testify about the grief process in general. Seems like she needs to be neutral. If she followed the case, then she’d have some opinion about Casey. > > Yet, Ashton made the point that she isn’t familiar with the case? I don’t see the issue. He needed to know how much she knew, before he built his own hypothetical scenario. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/348 "2011-06-29T21:27:50Z")
That question that started with all the "Assume that . . . " was just silly after awhile. And to be fair, the assumptions shouldn’t have been all negative and they shouldn’t have encompassed **everything** that happened after Caylee’s body was found. The issue is Casey’s grief reaction in the 31 days after Caylee was last seen alive, not how she’s behaved during the past three years. And they should have included the **good** things in Casey’s life pre-June 2008, like having parents willing to support her and her child. From what we’ve seen, she didn’t want for anything. I find it hard to believe no one ever asked Casey who Caylee’s father was. Is that what the family is saying? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/349 "2011-06-29T21:36:19Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I find it hard to believe no one ever asked Casey who Caylee’s father was. Is that what the family is saying? Oh they asked, and she gave them about 3 different names, until finally settling on some guy she went out with that had died. ---
**Author:** ![conovox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@conovox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/conovox)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/350 "2011-06-29T22:23:37Z")
Well stated. Agreed ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/351 "2011-06-29T22:39:30Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Even if she has been deposed previously, unless she testifies before the jury or before the judge in some sort of proffer, then her statements are not part of the court proceedings. Not true. As long as the parties agree, they can enter a deposition not taken for the purpose of discovery into evidence without live testimony. They _won’t_, of course… but they can. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/352 "2011-06-29T22:45:07Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Not true. As long as the parties agree, they can enter a deposition not taken for the purpose of discovery into evidence without live testimony. They _won’t_, of course… but they can. Your right, but my point was that none of that has happened, yet. The alleged mistress is still on the witness list and was at the courthouse this afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/353 "2011-06-29T22:54:21Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Oh they asked, and she gave them about 3 different names, until finally settling on some guy she went out with that had died. So at least one of the “assume that” hypotheticals wasn’t true. Tricksie lawyers! ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/354 "2011-06-29T22:56:16Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > So at least one of the “assume that” hypotheticals wasn’t true. Tricksie lawyers! I’m going to go out on a limb and say at least two…the “let’s assume her daughter drowned in the family pool” is not really true either. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/355 "2011-06-29T23:27:24Z")
Well, it seems very likely that Casey will get convicted. The defense is almost out of witnesses. Nothing they’ve tried has worked. I suspect the Prosecution rebuttal witnesses will patch any minor holes in the case. There’s a large backlog of people on Florida’s death row. This Orlando paper has an interesting opinion on how long it would take to execute Casey. I’d prefer seeing her get life imprisonment. > [@](#): > > I hate to spoil the celebration of Mac and others like him, but Casey will never feel that final vein prick. > > If she ever does make it to death row and gets in line behind the 399 inmates already there, she would be killed sometime in the 23rd century. [http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-20/news/os-mike-thomas-death-penalty-062111-20110620\_1\_death-penalty-death-row-appeals-drag](http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-20/news/os-mike-thomas-death-penalty-062111-20110620_1_death-penalty-death-row-appeals-drag) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/356 "2011-06-30T00:14:07Z")
From what the judge said tonight, it looks like we’ll be on verdict watch over the holiday weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/357 "2011-06-30T01:17:57Z")
I wonder if this will help or hurt Baez’s career. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/358 "2011-06-30T02:33:09Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > I read “somewhere on the Internet” ( 😃 ) that there were depositions from former boyfriends, party guests, etc. that Caylee was present late at night at some parties with Casey, but that the child was asleep on a sofa or something. Supposedly, Caylee was at times sleeping through parties in full view of other party guests. > > Of course, no partygoer went and did forensics on the sleeping child. So all the stuff about “Zanny=Xanax”, over-the-counter “sleep aids” like Benaryl, possible use of chloroform + laying-to-sleep in the trunk, etc. … none of that was firm enough to bring to court, correct? Nope, and really, I’ve known lots of little kids who could sleep through anything. And every outdoor concert I go to in the summer, there are a ton of babies, toddlers, and preschoolers snoozing away on blankets near the back of the field. ---
**Author:** ![splatterpunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3be4f8/32.png) [@splatterpunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/splatterpunk)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/359 "2011-06-30T02:36:52Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I wonder if this will help or hurt Baez’s career. My guess is that his career trajectory will closely parallel that of Marcia Clark’s. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/360 "2011-06-30T02:37:07Z")
Not me. I’ll be water skiing and fishing all this weekend. Casey will have to wait until next Tuesday. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > From what the judge said tonight, it looks like we’ll be on verdict watch over the holiday weekend. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652.md?page=19)