# Anyone for a game of Nomic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142 "2003-08-10T04:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/261 "2003-08-13T14:44:19Z")
I can see a need for eliminating old proposals and Achernar and others seem to feel even more strongly on the issue. So I’ll add another section to my suggested Proposition 305: 305.11a - Any proposal which has not received a change in vote status for a period of seven days is eliminated. 305.11b - Any proposal which has not received a change in vote status by more than one player for a period of fourteen days is eliminated. Basically, old proposals will die off after a week of lack of interest. The second section will keep one person from being able to continue to beat a dead horse. On the issue of limiting multiple proposals, how about this: 304.9 - No player may make a proposal if the current amount of active proposals he or she has is greater then the number of players. One possible danger is that if we don’t create a procedure for eliminating old proposals some players might get into a situation where they cannot enter new ones. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/262 "2003-08-13T14:47:52Z")
Why was 301 defeated? I thought the majority were in agreement that my no vote hadn’t counted and my actual vote was in favor of 301. Didn’t everyone else vote in favor? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/263 "2003-08-13T14:49:43Z")
It was sort of a mix-up, but the Judge for that turn decided that your no vote did in fact count. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/264 "2003-08-13T14:50:46Z")
Your no vote retraction didn’t occur until after voting had closed on 301, as I explained above. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![capybara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/capybara/32/202_2.png) [@capybara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capybara)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/265 "2003-08-13T15:39:54Z")
So this means we still need to make 205 mutable, correct? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/266 "2003-08-13T15:53:04Z")
I consent. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/267 "2003-08-13T15:53:15Z")
1. We still need to make 105 mutable. ---
**Author:** ![MarkofT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MarkofT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarkofT)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/268 "2003-08-13T15:54:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by capybara \* > \*\*So this means we still need to make 205 mutable, correct? \*\* Nope. We need to make 105 mutable. All 200 series rules are Mutable. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/269 "2003-08-13T15:56:14Z")
Proposed Proposal 303 (on the subject of making Rule 105 mutable): “Rule 105 is hereby changed from immutable to mutable.” Suggestions? Comments? ---
**Author:** ![capybara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/capybara/32/202_2.png) [@capybara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capybara)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/270 "2003-08-13T15:56:14Z")
See, I’ve lost track of numbers. . . ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/271 "2003-08-13T16:02:17Z")
I’ve got a suggestion. Say “transmuted” instead of “changed”. It sounds sexier. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/272 "2003-08-13T16:16:34Z")
Proposed Proposal 303, Now with Sexier Language: ::reads in an extra slutty, breathy voice:: Those of you who remember Stifler’s Mom from American Pie 1 and 2, just imagine it’s her reading it. Rule 105 … oh, it’s so big, isn’t it? So thick and hard and … oh yes, we want it. And do you know what we’re going to do to it? Yes, we’re going to change it … but it’s not just _any_ change, no. It’s a … transmution! Oh, yes, a transmution! Say it and feel the letters slip off your tongue like a lover’s kiss. We’re transmuting RUle 105! Oh, yes, you can feel it inside you! It’s throbbing and— I should stop? OK. “Rule 105 is hereby transmuted from immutable to mutable.” ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/273 "2003-08-13T17:31:01Z")
I got an email from **Spurious George** to consent to continue as well. By my reckoning, that gives us 6 out of 14 (not counting **iampunha** and **PoignantSod**. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/274 "2003-08-13T17:45:53Z")
Er, why am I not counted? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/275 "2003-08-13T17:49:48Z")
“When Judgment has been invoked, the next player may not begin his or her turn without the consent of a majority of the **other** players.” ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/276 "2003-08-13T17:52:34Z")
**davidm** OK’d continuance. That’s 7 of 14. Get that proposal ready **iampunha** … Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/277 "2003-08-13T18:01:32Z")
Proposal 303: “Rule 105 is hereby transmuted from immutable to mutable.” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/278 "2003-08-13T18:02:21Z")
I just read over some of the old posts. I have to say that I would _definitely_ vote against any proposal that eliminates the concept of turns. And I would very likely also vote against anything that allows more than one proposal to be on the table at a time. At this point we need to be thinking about introducing order into the game rather than chaos. ---
**Author:** ![Stage\_Manager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stage_manager/32/7267_2.png) [@Stage\_Manager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stage_Manager)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/279 "2003-08-13T18:40:54Z")
By my count, we already have eight, but I’m not going back to list them. I also consent to continue. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/280 "2003-08-13T18:48:45Z")
**TJdude825** also consented. We can move on. **iampunha** is your final posted version of 303 the one you wish to put out there (or would you rather put the sexier version? 😃 ) Zev Steinhardt [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=15)