# Anyone for a game of Nomic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142 "2003-08-10T04:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/381 "2003-08-17T03:18:34Z")
Ok. Give me a little bit to scroll back and get something together that we can all agree on. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/382 "2003-08-17T03:31:42Z")
Proposal 304 - * * * When a rule change is Officially Proposed by a player, a Call For Votes shall be in effect. This voting period shall last for no more than 36 hours, and shall end as soon as all eligible players have voted. Any eligible player who does not cast a vote within 36 hours of this Call For Votes shall be considered an ineligable voter in both the current round and the following round (to clarify, the round that he/she _neglected_ to vote, and the round immediately following). Any player who fails to cast a vote within the 36-hour limit shall not be permitted to vote in the following round. Once the penalty round has passed, and the player has acknowledged via email or the SDMB “Anyone for a game of Nomic?” thread that he is ready to continue play, he will immediately be eligable to vote once again. Failure to signal readiness will result in an additional penalty round levied against the player. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/383 "2003-08-17T03:34:35Z")
I’d just like to point out that the language of the first paragraph means a player who fails to vote would not automatically strike down a proposal under rule 203. ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/384 "2003-08-17T03:45:53Z")
Hmm. I’m not sure I like the ‘penalty round’ concept. Should missing one turn be punished by forcibly missing the next? Help me out - I asked this before but it got passed over. What’s the specific definition of “round?” Is is a single turn, or a circuit of all player’s turns? ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/385 "2003-08-17T03:47:37Z")
Players’. I spend half an hour reading that damn Pit thread, and I still don’t get it right. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/386 "2003-08-17T04:04:10Z")
From the context and the discussions that preceded it, I would assume that a “round” is a single vote. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/387 "2003-08-17T04:05:46Z")
I’ve been operating under the assumption that a “round” is a single vote, while a “turn” is an entire circut of votes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/388 "2003-08-17T04:08:33Z")
> [@](#): > > This voting period shall last for no more than 36 hours, and shall end as soon as all eligible players have voted. Any eligible player who does not cast a vote within 36 hours of this Call For Votes shall be considered an ineligable voter in both the current round and the following round (to clarify, the round that he/she neglected to vote, and the round immediately following). Other than the penalty round aspect, how does this differ from the idea of “players have 36 hours to vote”? And won’t this proposal fail to make it as a rule? There is no clause saying it supersedes the existing rules which it would conflict with. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/389 "2003-08-17T04:12:51Z")
One more matter before I sign off. Zev, you’ve mentioned a few times about sending emails. If you’ve done so, I never received them. My email address is [MKing49000@netscape.net](mailto:MKing49000@netscape.net) (which is not the address in my profile). ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/390 "2003-08-17T04:20:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Johnny Bravo \* > \*\*I’ve been operating under the assumption that a “round” is a single vote, while a “turn” is an entire circut of votes. \*\* Rule 202 clearly states that a turn is the act of proposing and voting, then scoring. 201 also says that each player has one turn. So ‘round’ == ‘turn’? Maybe we should get that in somewhere… ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/391 "2003-08-17T05:53:28Z")
Eligible. Eligible. Eligible. Eligible. Eligible. This has been your spelling lesson for today. ---
**Author:** ![MarkofT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MarkofT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarkofT)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/392 "2003-08-17T18:03:09Z")
I think we need to separate the proposal from the start of the voting period. 36 hours would be too short sometimes to allow for debating. So one person could vote yes, everyone else debates for over 36 hours and the motion passes. Then there is only one eligible player for the next turn and the hotly debated rule is passed. IMHO, this is a bad thing. BTW, **Zev** , what’s a phonebook? Is that like DNS? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Stage\_Manager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stage_manager/32/7267_2.png) [@Stage\_Manager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stage_Manager)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2003, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/393 "2003-08-17T18:07:41Z")
Oh, and I am taking suggestions for the next proposal. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/394 "2003-08-18T03:51:10Z")
Per the day’s email reminder (“Vote ASAP!”), has it been established that the language for Prop 304 is finalized and all disputes are settled? I was not aware of those two things being the case. ---
**Author:** ![PoignantSod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PoignantSod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoignantSod)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/395 "2003-08-18T04:21:46Z")
I vote **Yes on Prop 303.** Alas, my school begins this week, and while it was really awesome to watch this thread unfold, and vote to influence the game, I simply don’t have the time anymore to follow this anymore. Thanks a lot for starting an interesting game, zev, and to all of you for making it enjoyable. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![PoignantSod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PoignantSod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoignantSod)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/396 "2003-08-18T04:34:03Z")
I vote **Yes on Prop 304.** Alas, my school begins this week, and while it was really awesome to watch this thread unfold, and vote to influence the game, I simply don’t have the time anymore to follow this anymore. Thanks a lot for starting an interesting game, **zev** , and to all of you for making it enjoyable. ---
**Author:** ![PoignantSod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@PoignantSod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoignantSod)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/397 "2003-08-18T04:40:01Z")
Gah. Had to go out on an edit/double post. Bye! ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/398 "2003-08-18T04:53:01Z")
I will vote YES on 304, because I’m pretty sure we’re all pushing for a time limit on votes. But I do have reservations about the penalty aspect - but I guess we’ll see how it turns out. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/399 "2003-08-18T05:03:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*Per the day’s email reminder (“Vote ASAP!”), has it been established that the language for Prop 304 is finalized and all disputes are settled? I was not aware of those two things being the case. \*\* Hold on a minute: Before I asked **Johnny Bravo** for a proposal and it looks, to me, like he submitted one. He started a post saying “Proposal 304–” and followed up with his proposal. There was nothing in the post stating that it was provisional, a work-in-progress or not finalized. In any event, there are no disputes. We’ve all been discussing the details of the proposal that **Johnny Bravo** would make and offering suggestions, but in the end, they have no official standing. JB could have turned around and proposed something entirely different. If he chose to propose his proposal, that’s his right to do so in his turn (which it is) and he need not wait for any more suggestions if he doesn’t wish to. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Stage\_Manager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stage_manager/32/7267_2.png) [@Stage\_Manager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stage_Manager)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2003, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/400 "2003-08-18T05:24:35Z")
I vote YES on Proposal 304. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=21)