# Anyone for a game of Nomic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142 "2003-08-10T04:12:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Shade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2bfe46/32.png) [@Shade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shade)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/541 "2003-09-01T10:20:14Z")
Yes on 307. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/542 "2003-09-01T15:25:15Z")
Add my voice to the chorus. YES on 307. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/543 "2003-09-01T15:28:54Z")
While we’re waiting on the voting for 307, since I get to propose 308, I’d like to cast this out for public opinion. In short, I will propose changing 203 to require only a majority to pass something (Note: Transmuting a rule from immutable to mutable or vice versa will still require a unanimous vote as per Rule 109). Sound good to you folks? Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/544 "2003-09-01T16:31:12Z")
Sounds like a good idea to me. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2003, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/545 "2003-09-01T16:34:12Z")
One thing - if we switch to majority voting, we’ll probably need to change the scoring rules soon. Otherwise, there’ll be too much temptation to play games like “wait until everyone else has voted and then vote no if it’s going to pass anyway”. Personally, I’d like to completely seperate voting from scoring as a matter of principle. ---
**Author:** ![MarkofT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MarkofT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MarkofT)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/546 "2003-09-02T15:23:09Z")
I vote yes on 307. ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/547 "2003-09-02T22:20:54Z")
Oh yeah, I have to vote too. Well, in that case, a hearty YES on 307. ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2003, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/548 "2003-09-02T22:39:23Z")
Oops. Sorry, **Treviathan** , I mangled your name. I still vote YES on 307, whoever proposed it. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/549 "2003-09-04T15:02:44Z")
Still waiting on a vote or two before continuing… Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/550 "2003-09-04T20:03:21Z")
Didn’t **capybara** say he was moving and wanted his vote automatically counted as yes if he couldn’t get on? ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/551 "2003-09-04T20:07:37Z")
Yes. In fact, **capybara** even emailed me a YES vote (I just haven’t updated the site). We’re still waiting on **Johnny Bravo**. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2003, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/552 "2003-09-07T05:44:41Z")
Some of you people who argue that the time limits are too long and would slow down the game might post a bump. ---
**Author:** ![Jonmarzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/50afbb/32.png) [@Jonmarzie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonmarzie)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/553 "2003-09-08T02:19:47Z")
The dang time limits are too long! bump ---
**Author:** ![Treviathan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/838e76/32.png) [@Treviathan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Treviathan)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/554 "2003-09-08T05:09:40Z")
How ironic it would be if we can’t pass a rule dealing with the loss of players from the game because one of the players has disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2003, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/555 "2003-09-09T05:23:17Z")
Johnny Bravo was posting (in another thread) as recently as eight hours ago. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2003, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/556 "2003-09-09T14:00:43Z")
I have already sent him two emails asking for his vote… Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/557 "2003-09-09T23:07:25Z")
I predict the next poster to be… **Johnny Bravo**! ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/558 "2003-09-11T14:34:16Z")
Sent another email asking **Johnny Bravo** to either vote or drop out. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/559 "2003-09-11T14:58:55Z")
OK, I heard back from him and he has dropped out of the game. That means that 307 passes and we can move on. Furthermore, with the passage of 307, we won’t be held up by people not voting anymore. Oh, yes, that also means that it’s my turn. My proposal will really be very simple. I’d like to make it easier to pass proposals. However, we still require a unanimous vote to do so. So, therefore, my proposal reads as follows: > [@](#): > > Rule 203 is hereby amended to read: > > A rule-change is adopted if and only if the following two conditions are met: > > (a) a majority of the eligible voters vote for its passage. > (b) a majority of the eligible voters at the time the rule-change was proposed actually cast a YES or NO vote. The first condition is designed to make proposals easier to pass. The second condition is designed to prevent 2-0 votes if (for whatever reason) 12 people decide not to vote on an issue. Please also note that to change a rule from mutable to immutable (or vice versa) would still require a unanimous vote (as per Rule 109). I am not yet placing a Call For Votes. I am putting this out as a matter for debate. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142/560 "2003-09-11T17:32:34Z")
Just popping in to apologize for not coming back to this thread. It’s my fault entirely, and I’ve emailed the wise and understanding Zev with my resignation from the game. Regards. Johnny. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-for-a-game-of-nomic/194142.md?page=29)