# Anyone here willing to vote for Trump/not vote at all if chosen Democrat doesn't win the primary? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 31, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690 "2019-12-31T20:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/61 "2020-01-03T21:12:55Z")
I won’t waste my time, one way or another. In my state, my vote is like a warm, flat Coors Light. Worthless. ---
**Author:** ![RickG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rickg/32/5174_2.png) [@RickG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickG)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/62 "2020-01-03T22:17:20Z")
Donald Trump and the current Republican Party are a clear and present danger to the entire planet. I will vote for the Democratic nominee if I am breathing on the day the ballots arrive by mail. I will not apply a purity test to that nominee. I will never agree with anyone on everything–hell, I don’t agree with myself on everything from day to day. I will not disqualify anyone based on a mistake they made in the past (that does not involve grievous bodily harm, rape or child molestation), as long as they appear to have made a best effort to learn from that mistake and make different personal and political decisions since. I recognize that–barring an _actual_ revolution that completely changes the legal framework of our system of government–we live in a quasi-parliamentary system where the party is more important than the individual once we get to the general election, and first-past-the-post district voting means third parties are relevant only as spoilers. The Dem platform is closer to what I want, as the next town is closer to me than Alpha Centauri, so they get my vote. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/63 "2020-01-04T00:14:30Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > But what this century has taught me is how very, very important it is to vote Democratic on all the state and local races as well. I used to just ignore them, because the names meant nothing to me, but what the state-level Republicans are doing with gerrymandering, voter suppression, environmental regulations, etc., and what McConnell has been able to do with a small majority in the Senate with judicial appointments and bill suppression, is far worse and longer lasting than anything the tweeting Cheeto has done. How do we get that across to people? That while it isn’t as high profile as the race for the presidency, because of the checks and balances and interdependencies and shared power, it really does matter who your state representative is and you really do need to pay some attention and vote thoughtfully for that person. Also, I have a difficult time imagining voting for anyone other than the democratic nominee (whoever it is) under any normal and the vast majority of extra-normal circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/64 "2020-01-04T07:55:17Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I won’t waste my time, one way or another. In my state, my vote is like a warm, flat Coors Light. Worthless. Guess who loves you? Them who will cast your votes for you, in ways you won’t like. I’m in solid-red congressional and legislative districts but I vote anyway so the assholes don’t gain unanimous victories. Never give a inch! ---
**Author:** ![Rhodes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rhodes/32/273_2.png) [@Rhodes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhodes)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/65 "2020-01-10T23:29:42Z")
Former Republican here. Never again. I’ll probably vote Warren in the primaries. Unless there’s a reasonable Republican contender, in which case I may just vote against Trump in the R primary. I will be voting D for president in the general election, not that it matters much in my state. No way in hell I’d vote Republican, 3rd party, or abstain. For all the other races, I’ll compare all the candidates at [vote411.org](http://vote411.org) and make each selection with a very heavy anti-R bias. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/66 "2020-01-10T23:34:20Z")
Not me. Getting that corrupt bastard out of power is _the_ number one most important issue of this election, as far as I’m concerned. I’d vote for a dead dog before Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/67 "2020-01-16T17:16:51Z")
I think this has been asked before actually. I’m a former Republican who left the party over Trump’s nomination. I still consider myself a classic conservative. I will vote for any Democrat other than Bernie Sanders, if he is nominated I’ll vote for Trump—with regret. ---
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/68 "2020-01-16T18:08:57Z")
The thing is that there is now not only a very public feud between Bernie and Warren, but that this feud will trickle down to their respective supporters as well. Obama has already decreed that he will “step in” if it looks like Bernie is going to win the nomination. (Bernie supporters are shaking in their boots!) If angry Bernie supporters see their candidate get pushed aside again like in 2016, there is no way they will come out and vote for Warren in the General Election. Without the large and enthusiastic block of Bernie supporters voting for Warren, Democrats have no chance of denying President Trump another four years in Office and his appointing at least 2 or more Supreme Court Justices. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/69 "2020-01-16T19:06:32Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > … Obama has already decreed that he will “step in” if it looks like Bernie is going to win the nomination. … Cite? I beleive this was debunked. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/70 "2020-01-16T19:25:14Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > The thing is that there is now not only a very public feud between Bernie and Warren, but that this feud will trickle down to their respective supporters as well. Obama has already decreed that he will “step in” if it looks like Bernie is going to win the nomination. (Bernie supporters are shaking in their boots!) If angry Bernie supporters see their candidate get pushed aside again like in 2016, there is no way they will come out and vote for Warren in the General Election. Without the large and enthusiastic block of Bernie supporters voting for Warren, Democrats have no chance of denying President Trump another four years in Office and his appointing at least 2 or more Supreme Court Justices. Does “pushed aside” mean the same as “not get the nomination?” (To answer the OP’s question: I’m not a huge fan of either Warren or Sanders, but would happily vote for either if they get the nomination.) Other than Roy Moore, I can’t think of another person in America that would cause me to cast a vote for Trump or refrain from voting. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/71 "2020-01-16T19:31:58Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Other than Roy Moore, I can’t think of another person in America that would cause me to cast a vote for Trump or refrain from voting. Stephen Miller. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/72 "2020-01-16T19:37:41Z")
I’ll vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination. I think ridding the country of Trump is important. And, for the first time in a long time, I’ll feel like my vote counts. I recently moved from a deep blue state to a swing state, ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/73 "2020-01-16T19:41:19Z")
Blue, no matter who. Even if it’s Tulsi Gabbard. The Republican party needs to go out into the desert for a few elections to think about where they went wrong in supporting Trump so thoroughly. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/74 "2020-01-16T19:46:25Z")
I will likely vote independent, but that’s basically throwing my vote away. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/75 "2020-01-16T19:48:01Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > We’re also total assholes to Trump supporters so most leave or don’t speak about it publicly. People who voted for Donald Trump deserve to get treated like people who would vote for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/76 "2020-01-16T20:06:40Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Blue, no matter who. Even if it’s Tulsi Gabbard. > > The Republican party needs to go out into the desert for a few elections to think about where they went wrong in supporting Trump so thoroughly. Gabbard might give me pause. I don’t think she’s any better than Trump, and it might as well be Republicans who take the blame for destroying the country as it is clearly mostly their fault. ---
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/77 "2020-01-16T20:50:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Cite? I beleive this was debunked. But HuffPo caught a second tidbit from journalist Ryan Lizza’s extensive expose on the former president’s mostly covert involvement in the 2020 selection process: Obama will step in and even “raise his voice” if necessary to keep the party from nominating Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT). > **[Report: Barack Obama Will ‘Step In’ If The Democrats Nominate Bernie Sanders...](https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-barack-obama-will-step-in-if-the-democrats-nominate-bernie-sanders?itm_source=parsely-api)** > **[Obama Said He Would Speak Up To Stop Bernie Sanders Nomination: Report](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-bernie-sanders-2020-nomination_n_5ddd31a1e4b00149f724793b?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADYy6Vrk4BiqbxHoW4ZxP589JFYe0ICropkP11nVgEi24g6JoUiCMjbF1bZwJK5XKNU96YM2S7OEQ6AgKEgNlcIRBoLjeo8V_ClmyR6AoVWI0-e7dZotYDqnpRHO60Bbd_Eq9BbzdCINEBwkSd6cKeX19vwRrJhE3-542oXEhReO)** > > "Bernie's not a Democrat," one close adviser to the former president told Politico. > **[Obama privately said he would speak up to stop Sanders from 2020 nomination:...](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/11/26/obama-privately-said-he-would-speak-up-to-stop-sanders-from-2020-nomination-report/23868368/)** > > Former President Obama has privately said he would speak up to stop Sen. Bernie Sanders from becoming the Democratic nominee, Politico reported. ---
**Author:** ![Mangosteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Mangosteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangosteen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/78 "2020-01-16T21:01:12Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Does “pushed aside” mean the same as “not get the nomination?” “pushed aside” does not mean “not get the nomination”. She and “her” DNC cheated, plain and simple. > **[Released Emails Suggest the D.N.C. Derided the Sanders Campaign (Published 2016)](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html)** > > Some of the nearly 20,000 messages, made public through WikiLeaks, show officials at the Democratic National Committee thought little of Mr. Sanders’ chances of becoming president. > **[Wikileaks Proves Primary Was Rigged: DNC Undermined Democracy](https://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/)** > > 20,000 freshly-leaked emails reveal resentful disdain toward Sanders, as party favored Clinton long before any votes were cast. > **[Brazile: Hillary Rigged DNC Against Bernie](https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-robbed-sanders-dnc-brazile-699421)** > > The former DNC chair claimed Hillary Clinton's campaign reached an agreement with the DNC to take over the party's operations 15 months before last year's general election. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/79 "2020-01-16T21:43:08Z")
So I’m just curious, if the DNC didn’t do those nefarious things would Bernie have magically increased his support with black voters in the South by the 30 or 40% margin he’d have needed to have won the nomination in 2016? I don’t really see it as being productive to relitigate 2016. The claims about Obama “stepping in”, if you actually dig into them seem horribly sourced. Shit like “a former Obama adviser _thinks_ Obama feels this way and _suspects_ Obama would do X, Y and Z.” That just reads like far leftie scaremongering to me. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690/80 "2020-01-16T22:54:08Z")
> [@Mangosteen](#): > > [Obama Said He Would Speak Up To Stop Bernie Sanders Nomination: Report | HuffPost Latest News](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obama-bernie-sanders-2020-nomination_n_5ddd31a1e4b00149f724793b?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADYy6Vrk4BiqbxHoW4ZxP589JFYe0ICropkP11nVgEi24g6JoUiCMjbF1bZwJK5XKNU96YM2S7OEQ6AgKEgNlcIRBoLjeo8V_ClmyR6AoVWI0-e7dZotYDqnpRHO60Bbd_Eq9BbzdCINEBwkSd6cKeX19vwRrJhE3-542oXEhReO) from your “cite,” an unnamed advisor (not Obama) said “if Bernie were running away with it, I think maybe we would all have to say something.” That is considerably less than Obama saying he will do something. That is some guy who claims to have some contact with the president conjecturing that Obama might have have a thought, “maybe.” There’s a big gulf between the characterization of the cite and the cite itself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-here-willing-to-vote-for-trump-not-vote-at-all-if-chosen-democrat-doesnt-win-the-primary/845690.md?page=5)