# Anyone seen gabriela lately? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 25, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702 "2006-11-25T01:27:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/41 "2006-12-01T14:50:08Z")
[QUOTE=gabriela] But it does gripe me to see that people not in my field doubt my credentials based on disagreeing with me. [/quote] That is incorrect, gabriela. First of all, does someone need to be “in your field” to question your accuracy? And once such a question is raised, are not facts and logic the lingua franca, regardless of stated areas of expertise? And that, more than anything, leads to why I view you with suspicion. When you are _verifiably wrong_, you call it a _disagreement_ and chirp, “let’s agree to disagree.” > [@](#): > > Waverly, are you in IT? What evidence could I provide you on this board without my real name, workplace, and Board certifications, which would make you feel that I was not a fraud? No, I’m a shepherd. I clearly have no evidence of any sort that you are a fraud, and do not pretend to have it. All I have is the fact that you occasionally speak from a position of expertise, get one wrong, and then react to questions about your accuracy in a way that I feel is unscientific. You could still be a Nobel Laureate for all I know. > [@](#): > > It’s a Turing test. Isn’t it? I don’t know what you are talking about. I don’t recall ever taking issue with the origin of your cites. In fact I don’t recall you providing many of any sort. You must be thinking of someone else. > [@](#): > > If the moderator of this board will consent… You could have Tuba act as midwife during the delivery of a yours and Ed’s lovechild and then make Lynn godmother, and it wouldn’t make a whit of difference. Would having a couple admins vouch for you make your posts any more or less accurate? I don’t think so. I wouldn’t encourage you to do this, and I wonder why you feel it would be worthwhile. > [@](#): > > Yours attempting to proceed without heat (preferring light to heat any time), > Gabriela There is no light without heat. Thermodynamics. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/42 "2006-12-01T15:15:35Z")
[QUOTE=Waverly] Would having a couple admins vouch for you make your posts any more or less accurate? I don’t think so. I wouldn’t encourage you to do this, and I wonder why you feel it would be worthwhile. [/QUOTE] Wait a minute! You, for all intent and purposes, accuse her of being a fraud, not in this thread only, but also in others I have seen, and when she tries to clean her reputation you say you don’t care? It is one thing to say that somebody is wrong, or lousy at what they do for a living, but accusing her of pretending to be what she is not is something serious, so if you don’t care you should stop the veiled accusations. Put up or shut up. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/43 "2006-12-01T15:22:56Z")
Shit or get off the pot? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/44 "2006-12-01T15:26:46Z")
Nah, s/he’s already done the shitting. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/45 "2006-12-01T16:58:34Z")
Sheesh, **Waverly** , you are hard to please. Ever since I read your post this morning, I’ve been thinking of various aspects of my job, which I am damn good at, that a newbie or outsider might ask me about and if skeptical-minded, make a spot judgement that I am a huge poseur because I didn’t give the answer he expected. There are also many issues on which I have mild disagreements with my esteemed colleagues. When these insoluble problems crop up, we agree to disagree. **gabriela** , I am very impressed with your diplomacy skills. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/46 "2006-12-01T17:06:01Z")
**Gabbys** back! ::: does happy dance::: Welcome back dear, I missed you. As others have said, you are smart, funny and write a great post. **Waverly** you are being a jerk. **Mighty\_Girl** nailed it. Put up or shut up. I will be happy to be the checker of backgrounds/certifications/affiliations. I don’t have a dog in this fight except I am glad to see the lovely Gabriela back posting. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/47 "2006-12-01T17:11:27Z")
[QUOTE=gabriela] To Whynot and so many others: thank you for thinking of me so kindly. I did take a Board hiatus, and I’m sorry for not alerting anyone. I will go on being on hiatus for the next month, as our annual program review for the forensic pathology fellowship is coming up, and I am program director. [/QUOTE] Good to hear you’re alive and well! ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/48 "2006-12-01T17:15:19Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] **Waverly** you are being a jerk. [/QUOTE] **Rick** , this is MPSIMS, not the Pit. Personal insults don’t belong here. **Waverly** , **Q.E.D** … if you want to question the veracity of someone’s claims (at least, at the level you’re taking it), please do so in the Pit. MPSIMS really isn’t the place for it. Let’s get this thread back on track. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/49 "2006-12-01T17:20:26Z")
**Skip** Sorry, my bad. Won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/50 "2006-12-01T17:30:21Z")
[QUOTE=Mighty\_Girl] Wait a minute! You, for all intent and purposes, accuse her of being a fraud, not in this thread only, but also in others I have seen, and when she tries to clean her reputation you say you don’t care? [/QUOTE] This is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. I said I had no evidence at all that she was a fraud. I said I don’t have any; I don’t plan to have any. I don’t plan to spend a lot of time thinking about it. What I took issue with was her posting style on several occasions, and I said that I personally didn’t think it was consistent with her stated expertise. That is a much different thing. I guess it’s true that I don’t care, but you are assuming I don’t care for the wrong reasons. I don’t care because concrete bone fides aren’t going to change what I think about some of her posts. I have NOT called anyone a fraud. It isn’t the time or the place for such an extreme accusation. On preview: no problem, Skip. I’ll bow out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/51 "2006-12-01T18:00:05Z")
[QUOTE=Waverly] This is a gross mischaracterization of what I said. [/QUOTE] Sure. [QUOTE=Waverly] Look, we all make mistakes. Me included. But these aren’t the types of mistakes, nor the ensuing explanations, that I’d expect from an expert. IMHO, they just aren’t. Sorry. [/QUOTE] And I wasn’t the only one that misinterpreted you then, in more than one thread. So, let’s see. You are not an expert yourself. It is possible that even experts question her conclusions without questioning her expertise (I’ve seen too many episodes of Cold Cases to know that COD get changed from time to time after being examined by another forensic expert). Experts go to court and argue each other’s conclusion all the time, and I would guess both the prosecution and the defense would check their certifications. So here you come, and self-confesed non-expert, who disagree with her and instead of concluding that a)you could be wrong, b)she could be wrong or c)she’s not a real expert (by expert I suppose you mean certification, anything else is not being an expert). This is the deal, if you don’t intend to follow through with it I expect you to stop going from thread to thread doing this. (I’ve seen three cases in which you’ve sorta, kinda, suggested that maybe it is possible that perhaps she is not “an expert”, of course you mean it in the nicest way). :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/52 "2006-12-01T18:08:59Z")
**Mighty\_Girl** , I’ve already asked **Waverly** to move it to the Pit (if he so chooses); it wouldn’t be fair to allow you to continue the debate when he’s been asked to keep it out of the thread and can’t defend himself. So, it’s time to move on and let this hijack end. ---
**Author:** ![DeVena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@DeVena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeVena)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/53 "2006-12-01T20:26:58Z")
**gabriela** , I hold you in higher esteem because of this thread… and I thought you were pretty spiffy before. Good luck on your reviews. ---
**Author:** ![Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hilarity_n.suze/32/6223_2.png) [@Hilarity\_N.Suze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hilarity_N.Suze)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/54 "2006-12-01T20:56:38Z")
Can I say something about concrete bone fieds, or would that be inappropriate? I do have some expertise here. They may be bonified, but if they are concrete they couldn’t be bona fide… ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/55 "2006-12-01T22:53:18Z")
[QUOTE=SkipMagic] **Mighty\_Girl** , I’ve already asked **Waverly** to move it to the Pit (if he so chooses); it wouldn’t be fair to allow you to continue the debate when he’s been asked to keep it out of the thread and can’t defend himself. So, it’s time to move on and let this hijack end. [/QUOTE] You are right. Fair is fair. ---
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/56 "2006-12-01T22:59:54Z")
[QUOTE=Hilarity N. Suze] Can I say something about concrete bone fieds, or would that be inappropriate? I do have some expertise here. They may be bonified, but if they are concrete they couldn’t be bona fide… [/QUOTE] Well they could wear a cute wee kilt and be bonniefied. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/57 "2006-12-03T06:31:46Z")
[QUOTE=Q.E.D.] If so, it wouldn’t be the first time this board has had a fairly popular and high-profile member caught pretending to be something they’re not. People have all kinds of strange motivations for oddball behavior. FTR, I tend to agree with **Waverly** ; I don’t believe she was entirely forthcoming with us. This sudden disappearance, while a plausible explanation is certainly possible, is nevertheless…odd, to say the least. [/QUOTE] I agree. I can think of several people who I suspect quickly google an answer, insert it into a thread, and try to pass it off as personal knowledge. It’s the nature of this type of forum yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702/58 "2006-12-03T06:34:30Z")
[QUOTE=SkipMagic] **Rick** , this is MPSIMS, not the Pit. Personal insults don’t belong here. **Waverly** , **Q.E.D** … if you want to question the veracity of someone’s claims (at least, at the level you’re taking it), please do so in the Pit. MPSIMS really isn’t the place for it. Let’s get this thread back on track. [/QUOTE] SkipMagic. Sorry. I didn’t make it through the thread before posting above. Without you saying so, I’ll consider myself scolded as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-seen-gabriela-lately/381702.md?page=2)