# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![bolwerk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@bolwerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bolwerk)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2041 "2009-08-06T20:21:34Z")
The cool part is, if you live in a blue state, you’re probably paying for Rand Rover’s stop signs! ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2042 "2009-08-07T00:25:16Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Um, why would I appreciate living like that for so long? I am supposed to appreciate two adults who **had me by accident and then my brother the next year on purpose because that was “the plan”, even tho it meant we had to live in a rat infested apartment**? The resentment that my father felt towards me was all kinds of fun. Then when we “moved up” and we got to go to a very under funded poor school? Or am I supposed to appreciate **my abusive father** , or both of **their attitudes that women should marry young, have children** and do nothing else at all with their lives? **Funny how that didn’t apply to my mother when she got her Masters at 45** … None of which speaks to how I ended up on my own at 18 with no money and no support. There are many, many clues contained in this paragraph as to why **curlcoat** has the attitudes she does – towards (being determined to not have) children, towards education, towards anybody in poverty. Any Freudians care to take a shot? ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2043 "2009-08-07T03:38:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > However, there are also more poor blacks than there are poor asians, jewish people or any other minority except, I believe, Mexicans/Cubans/whereever they came from. Why do you suppose that is? The other reason is that people who migrate/d from Europe and Asia tend/ed to be from higher socio-economic backgrounds prior to their arrival in the US. IOW, many are/were _economic_ refugees who already had the financial wherewithall to leave their homelands and to start with something in their pockets when they landed on your fair shores. Poor people can’t afford the passage OUT of their misery. You will also find that the Jewish people (and nowadays people from Asia) put high store on the value of education: when ambition and aspiration are entrenched in the culture, it makes it easier for the individual to be ambitious and to aspire to greater things. Because the blacks have had such a sordid history in the US, it’s going to take some generations for such values to develop to the point where they become the norm rather than the exception. But I am confident it will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2044 "2009-08-07T12:06:18Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Since my husband has lived in the same house since the early 80’s, and I’ve been here since 1992, relocation had no effect. It’s an illustration of opportunity costs. It wasn’t about anyone specifically. You might want to dial down the hostility just a trace - not everyone here is being an asshole. I am, but not everyone is. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2045 "2009-08-07T14:47:58Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You might want to dial down the hostility just a trace - not everyone here is being an asshole. I am, but not everyone is. 🙂 Wow. When **Shodan** calls you hostile, that’s saying something. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2046 "2009-08-07T17:11:16Z")
> [@](#): > > However, there are also more poor blacks than there are poor asians, jewish people or any other minority except, I believe, Mexicans/Cubans/whereever they came from. Why do you suppose that is? Hmmm. Black people… other minorities. Black people… other minorities. I’m sure there’s _something_ different about black people… but I just can’t seem to put my finger on it. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2047 "2009-08-07T22:48:12Z")
There is a study somewhere suggesting that black people are following a fairly average social climb into society… provided you measure the climb up from rock bottom as started in the 1960s. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2048 "2009-08-08T03:29:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I think the point was that they wanted you to acknowledge that you had a lot of luck to get to where you are today. If you had been seriously ill or discovered some congenital health condition when you were still living in poverty, you’d have been completely fucked through no fault of your own. I would think that it doesn’t take a lot of luck to have not been born some congenital health condition (which I was) or to have been seriously ill prior to digging myself out of poverty. How often does it happen that those sorts of things keep people poor? > [@](#): > > You said it in this thread, that it only takes something like $30k or $60k or some ridiculously small figure to raise a child. You can remember that, but not that when folks freaked out about it, I said it was a typo? I don’t remember now, but I forgot either a 1 or a 2 prior to the number I posted. Which of course has nothing to do with what I asked, which was please quote where you have seen me say that one has to have all of the money saved up to raise a child before they have one. Apparently you cannot? > [@](#): > > Because poverty and discrimination breed more poverty? Duh? We never imported thousands upon thousands of Jews, Chinese, Koreans, etc. as chattel slaves, you ignorant whore. So in your world, only those who were slaves or their descendants have ever been the victims of poverty or discrimination in this country? > [@](#): > > It’s been implied in your entire argument–you say you acknowledge that accidents can happen and that poverty isn’t always the fault of poor people, but then you insist that social programs to support health and provide for other basic needs just go to the lazy. Which they do. Have I ever said that those things _only_ go to the lazy? Of course not. > [@](#): > > Slime doesn’t deserve politeness. It deserves to get its disgusting, lazy, willfully ignorant self the hell out of my sight. Shrug. Not my problem. If you choose to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and go LALALALALA for fear of having your beliefs changed, then you deserve a UHC. And anything else the government wants to take from you. I don’t. And you think I’m disgusting, lazy and willfully ignorant. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2049 "2009-08-08T03:30:49Z")
> [@5-4-Fighting](#): > > There are many, many clues contained in this paragraph as to why **curlcoat** has the attitudes she does – towards (being determined to not have) children, towards education, towards anybody in poverty. > > Any Freudians care to take a shot? Should be interesting! God knows most peoples’ ignorant assumptions so far have been…😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2050 "2009-08-08T03:39:15Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > The other reason is that people who migrate/d from Europe and Asia tend/ed to be from higher socio-economic backgrounds prior to their arrival in the US. IOW, many are/were _economic_ refugees who already had the financial wherewithall to leave their homelands and to start with something in their pockets when they landed on your fair shores. Poor people can’t afford the passage OUT of their misery. OTOH, we have all of the boat people that the western states ended up with (did the east?) that not only had no money, they didn’t speak English, nor did they understand most of our society. Including that they shouldn’t step in front of a moving car :eek: Nowdays, the southwestern states have hundreds of thousands of Mexican immigrants, mostly illegal, who do not speak much if any English and have little in the way of skills. Yet they work their way up, such as our next door neighbor who came here 40 years ago and managed to get to middle class as well as educate two sons on a factory job. > [@](#): > > You will also find that the Jewish people (and nowadays people from Asia) put high store on the value of education: when ambition and aspiration are entrenched in the culture, it makes it easier for the individual to be ambitious and to aspire to greater things. Because the blacks have had such a sordid history in the US, it’s going to take some generations for such values to develop to the point where they become the norm rather than the exception. But I am confident it will happen. How many more generations do you think that excuse is going to hold up? The civil war ended in 1865, so say that a human generation turns over every 20 years, we are now in generation seven. The black history in the US is so much more sordid than any other minority’s that it will take how many extra generations? How long are so many blacks going to hold themselves back by pointing to the past? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2051 "2009-08-08T03:40:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You might want to dial down the hostility just a trace - not everyone here is being an asshole. I am, but not everyone is. 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan I am not being hostile, not even to those that deserve it. Shall I use more emoticons? ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2052 "2009-08-08T15:32:49Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If this results in the children starving or running about naked, take them away. And put them where? They’re probably going to cost the poor, beleaguered taxpayer far more in the foster care system than they would in their welfare rat-ridden homes… and the foster care system is overburdened as it is. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2053 "2009-08-08T17:28:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > How many more generations do you think that excuse is going to hold up? The civil war ended in 1865, so say that a human generation turns over every 20 years, we are now in generation seven. The black history in the US is so much more sordid than any other minority’s that it will take how many extra generations? How long are so many blacks going to hold themselves back by pointing to the past? Ahem. > [@E-Sabbath](#): > > There is a study somewhere suggesting that black people are following a fairly average social climb into society… provided you measure the climb up from rock bottom as started in the 1960s. Yes, the history of blacks in America _is_ that much more sordid than the history of other minorities. Blacks are the _only_ minority brought to this country as chattel slaves, and as E-Sabbath pointed out, black Americans did not enjoy the same access to resources as other minorities (to say nothing of that enjoyed by white Americans) until the mid-1960’s. If you start counting from, say, 1964, you’re talking about two generations, not seven. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2054 "2009-08-08T18:38:51Z")
Good thing you said chattel slaves, because the counterpoint is the ‘bond servant’ Irish. Who were… technically… not chattel. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2055 "2009-08-08T19:16:11Z")
What’s the longest, most viewed, most responded to Dope thread ever? This is the biggest one I’ve seen since I started hanging about the place. Pretty impressive. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2056 "2009-08-08T19:19:28Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > What’s the longest, most viewed, most responded to Dope thread ever? > > This is the biggest one I’ve seen since I started hanging about the place. > > Pretty impressive. Check out the current [World of Warcraft](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=509115) thread. 75 pages, almost 4000 replies so far. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2057 "2009-08-08T19:25:19Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > What’s the longest, most viewed, most responded to Dope thread ever? > > This is the biggest one I’ve seen since I started hanging about the place. > > Pretty impressive. And in all that time, has **Rand Rover** yet given any of us motherfuckers any of the specified things we need? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2058 "2009-08-08T22:56:46Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > And in all that time, has **Rand Rover** yet given any of us motherfuckers any of the specified things we need? Had to shave my own head and get my own beer. It’s this sort of lack of service that is forcing me to vote for big nanny government. They’ll get me my beer goldurnit. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2059 "2009-08-08T23:20:34Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > And in all that time, has **Rand Rover** yet given any of us motherfuckers any of the specified things we need? Clearly, the thread title is inaccurate. This kind of trick where the OP makes shit up in the thread title has stuck in my craw for a long time. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2060 "2009-08-09T00:00:20Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Good thing you said chattel slaves, because the counterpoint is the ‘bond servant’ Irish. Who were… technically… not chattel. I know the difference because I actually paid attention while attending public school on **curlcoat** ’s (and **Rand Rover** ’s, and \*\*crafter\_man’\*\*s, and who knows who else’s) dime. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=104)