# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2201 "2009-08-15T03:42:58Z")
> [@doublehelix](#): > > Humans aren’t monkeys you dipshit. I’m starting to think (in general) that maybe the monkeys are more pleasant and sociable. Maybe more advanced too. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2202 "2009-08-15T05:14:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Anything else you motherfuckers need? It’s been 30 days since my Post 9 and, well, I know that you are a respectable businessman who is interested in neither allowing his credit being sullied nor paying the penalty, but I could use that car today. The model is unimportant; a Ford dealership in Naperville is selling complete POS tricycle delivery trucks for what is undoubtedly a price only responsible to someone who is looking for a ride that the driver accepts will tip over in the slightest turn, but I’ll take it if yer giving it. I mean, after 30 days we’re talking another 2%. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2203 "2009-08-15T23:16:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > [Au contraire.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11427586&postcount=2) Since when was another Doper a definitive source? Humans are not monkeys. Do your research. ---
**Author:** ![Robert\_Pickton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Robert\_Pickton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert_Pickton)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2204 "2009-08-16T07:55:49Z")
Hey, Piss Boy. Where’s my shirt? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2205 "2009-08-16T15:10:40Z")
It’s really sad that double helix looked over this whole thread for something to trip me up on and settled for taking me to task for a post where I referred to someone else’s use of the term “monkeys” to refer to humans. Yeesh. That’s about the failingest way to show you got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2206 "2009-08-17T16:25:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, I didn’t, that is simply what you want to believe. As I have said over and over, I paid in money and now I am taking it back. But that’s exactly what you’re wrong about, you dumb twat. Unless you tracked every cent you paid in and plan to stop the second you reach that amount (I’ll even let you adjust for inflation and throw in some interest), you’re going to pull out a lot more than you contributed. > [@curlcoat](#): > > How can you say that? Other than SS being a forced pension, they both take in money and hold (or pretend to hold) it until you reach retirement age. See, you claim that you’re not a fucking moron and you understand SS, but hen you go and say something like this. Social security DOES NOT hold your money until you reach retirement age. It DOES NOT “pretend” to hold it. How many times must this be explained to you? ---
**Author:** ![lindsaybluth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90db22/32.png) [@lindsaybluth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lindsaybluth)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2207 "2009-08-17T23:54:31Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What are you bitching for? Rich folks will be lining up to get advice on how to weasel out of the taxes, giving you even more reason to come in here bragging about how smart you are! Like Charlie Rangel? In case you live in a cave, here’s [Link 1](http://www.usnews.com/blogs/sam-dealey/2008/09/15/sorry-charlie--rangel-makes-more-excuses-for-his-failure-to-pay-taxes.html) and [Link 2](http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2208 "2009-08-18T00:36:54Z")
I’m mortified. Crushed. Bereft, disconsolate. I just hope I can see throught these hot gushing tears to fill out this Republican registration form! Woe! Woe! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2209 "2009-08-18T05:17:15Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > But that’s exactly what you’re wrong about, you dumb twat. Unless you tracked every cent you paid in and plan to stop the second you reach that amount (I’ll even let you adjust for inflation and throw in some interest), you’re going to pull out a lot more than you contributed. I’ll ignore all the other ignorant things you said there and just ask - do you plan to stop taking SS when you think you’ve taken out as much as you’ve paid in? > [@](#): > > See, you claim that you’re not a fucking moron and you understand SS, but hen you go and say something like this. Social security DOES NOT hold your money until you reach retirement age. It DOES NOT “pretend” to hold it. How many times must this be explained to you? Since you cannot understand plain English, I cannot explain it to you. Perhaps someone who speaks your language can help you out. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2210 "2009-08-18T15:51:40Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’ll ignore all the other ignorant things you said there and just ask - do you plan to stop taking SS when you think you’ve taken out as much as you’ve paid in? Nope. But I’m not a greedy, selfish bitch like you (I’m happy to pay taxes so that other people can do crazy things like eat and not die of treatable conditions), so the question is irrelevant in my case. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2211 "2009-08-18T23:26:55Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Nope. But I’m not a greedy, selfish bitch like you (I’m happy to pay taxes so that other people can do crazy things like eat and not die of treatable conditions), so the question is irrelevant in my case. Ah, but it is since you are exactly like me, since I don’t have a problem paying taxes so people can eat and get medical treatment. I do have a problem with paying for things like IVF, junk food, etc. So, apparently _you_ are a greedy selfish bitch, since you fully plan to take more out of the system than I do. Probably even more so since you most likely don’t pay as much tax as I do. But hey, what ever keeps you believing you are superior… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2212 "2009-08-19T19:41:47Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah, but it is since you are exactly like me, since I don’t have a problem paying taxes so people can eat and get medical treatment. I do have a problem with paying for things like IVF, junk food, etc. Sooo, you have a problem with straw men? Good, then we agree. (Nice about-face, by the way, you vapid slut. Didn’t you just spend this entire thread talking about how you don’t want to pay taxes to fund health care, because anybody who isn’t lazy can afford it on their own?) > [@](#): > > So, apparently _you_ are a greedy selfish bitch, since you fully plan to take more out of the system than I do. Probably even more so since you most likely don’t pay as much tax as I do. But hey, what ever keeps you believing you are superior… :rolleyes: I don’t \*\*plan \*\*to take more out of the system than you–I just have \*\*no problem \*\*taking out more than I put in, should things work out that way, because if they do, it’ll be because either (a) something went horribly wrong and I had to retire early on disability or (b) I live to be some ridiculous age like 150. I’m 26 and my salary is already much higher than yours ever was. Unless you count your sugar daddy, I pay more in taxes than you did when you were still working. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2213 "2009-08-20T01:44:27Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Sooo, you have a problem with straw men? Good, then we agree. (Nice about-face, by the way, you vapid slut. Didn’t you just spend this entire thread talking about how you don’t want to pay taxes to fund health care, because anybody who isn’t lazy can afford it on their own?) No. > [@](#): > > I’m 26 and my salary is already much higher than yours ever was. Unless you count your sugar daddy, I pay more in taxes than you did when you were still working. I wish I could meet this sugar daddy you keep thinking I have. ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2214 "2009-08-20T02:06:12Z")
Man, when this thread first started I tried to ignore it because I get enough nonsense from overhearing my dad’s tv blasting Fox News, but now I see this thing spans 45 pages and over 2,000 replies. Doubtful I’ll be back-reading any of it. Anybody want to Readers Digest it, or perhaps adapt it into a play or vignette? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2215 "2009-08-20T15:22:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I wish I could meet this sugar daddy you keep thinking I have. That would be your six-figure husband, whose income supports you comfortably while you continue to take SSDI payments. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2216 "2009-08-20T23:29:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > We have. **Stratocaster** is correct; you are not. > > There is no such thing as a Social Security trust fund that has been built up. All that money has been spent. It is not a government asset. It’s a government debt, and paying that debt will become impossible in about thirty years. > > The government borrowed the Social Security money from the taxpayer, and spent it. Some it spent on SS benefits, and the rest it spent on all the other things it spends money on. The government also promised to put the money back, with interest. But without inflating the currency, the only place the government can get the money plus interest is where it borrowed it in the first place - from the taxpayer. > > You seem to making the same mistake that Al Gore did before he starting spouting hot air about hot air. There is no “lock box” where Social Security funds have been built up - the government took all that money from the taxpayer, spent it, and replaced it with a promise that it will take more money from the taxpayer and spend that too. > > Tell you what - if you still disagree, we can set up a deal. Send me $1000, and I promise to pay you back $5000 in a year, if you send me $5000 next year. That’s a 500% return on your investment. Pretty sweet deal, no? > > Regards, > Shodan There is indeed an SS trust fund and it currently contains over two trillion dollars. The government is legally obligated to repay the two trillion it borrowed – that is has to do it by raising taxes is irrelevant – and will do so in the future as and when needed. Here’s what the Social Security trustees have to say about it : As stated in the answer to “What happens to the taxes that go into the trust funds?”, most of the money flowing into the trust funds is invested in U. S. Government securities. Because the government spends this borrowed cash, some people see the current increase in the trust fund assets as an accumulation of securities that the government will be unable to make good on in the future. Without legislation to restore long-range solvency of the trust funds, redemption of long-term securities prior to maturity would be necessary. Far from being “worthless IOUs,” the investments held by the trust funds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government. The government has always repaid Social Security, with interest. The special-issue securities are, therefore, just as safe as U.S. Savings Bonds or other financial instruments of the Federal government. [http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html#n7](http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/fundFAQ.html#n7) What part of that don’t you understand? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2217 "2009-08-21T05:30:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > That would be your six-figure husband, whose income supports you comfortably while you continue to take SSDI payments. You truly are an idiot, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2218 "2009-08-21T10:43:38Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > What part of that don’t you understand? You are flatly refusing to engage the fact that the trust fund cannot support future payments indefinitely with current payments, not without some significant change (e.g., a drastic reduction in benefits). You ignore that fact in the very cite you noted. Your response does not dispute that, well, indisputable notion, though you seem to think it does. There does indeed seem to be a lack of understanding here, though it’s not Shodan’s. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2219 "2009-08-21T12:06:11Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > There is indeed an SS trust fund and it currently contains over two trillion dollars. The government is legally obligated to repay the two trillion it borrowed – that is has to do it by raising taxes is irrelevant – and will do so in the future as and when needed. Then how about that deal I offered? Send me $1000, and I promise to pay you back $5000 in a year, if you send me $5000 next year. That’s a 500% return on your investment. That’s a great investment - the fact that I have to pay you back by borrowing from you is irrelevant. Regards, Shodan PS - hi, **Stratocaster** - do you think **Dick Dastardly** will go for it? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/2220 "2009-08-21T14:07:09Z")
> [@light\_strand](#): > > Since when was another Doper a definitive source? > > Humans are not monkeys. Do your research. Read the rest of that thread. If you won’t take **Lemur** ’s for it, you can take **Colibri** ’s; he’s a published biologist. Or do your own fucking research- you complain about me using another Doper as a definitive source, then make an assertion supported by absolutely nothing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=112)