# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/341 "2009-07-17T17:09:56Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Your credit cards and your girl friend. And while you’re at it could you wash my car? His credit cards are probably strained to the max. And screwing his girlfriend will no doubt qualify you for some of that free health care; most cities have clinics for treating STD’s. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/342 "2009-07-17T17:12:50Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yeah, this line of attack never gets old. Pointing out your hypocrisy never gets old; in fact, I fear it’s becoming the nation’s number one pastime! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/343 "2009-07-17T17:15:00Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > Did you go to a public school, or a state college? Hardly matters— **Rovey** bears the telltale mark of the autodidact. Some would add “autofellater,” but that’s a bit of a stretch. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/344 "2009-07-17T17:22:00Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yeah, this line of attack never gets old :rolleyes: Yes, going to a state school is exactly the same thing as enacting a special tax on rich people to pay for health insurance for poor people. You win. Except that isn’t what **Don’t Call Me Shirley** was saying, is it, dipshit. In response to your comment of… [QUOTE=RandRover] I got everything I have through a fair value for value exchange. [/QUOTE] **Don’t Call Me Shirley** stated… [QUOTE=Don’t Call Me Shirley] Did you go to a public school, or a state college? [/QUOTE] See - it isn’t about your health care views, dipshit. It is about you claiming on the one hand to be this self made man, while, if the answer to the question is indeed “yes,” you have, in fact, benefited from government programs helping you get where you are. Which would go against your “fair value for value exchange” concept. Get it now dipshit? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/345 "2009-07-17T17:22:20Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > His credit cards are probably strained to the max. > > And screwing his girlfriend will no doubt qualify you for some of that free health care; most cities have clinics for treating STD’s. One wonders how you got so fat on your strict diet of semen and used band-aids. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/346 "2009-07-17T17:27:00Z")
> [@villa](#): > > Except that isn’t what **Don’t Call Me Shirley** was saying, is it, dipshit. > > In response to your comment of… > > **Don’t Call Me Shirley** stated… > > See - it isn’t about your health care views, dipshit. It is about you claiming on the one hand to be this self made man, while, if the answer to the question is indeed “yes,” you have, in fact, benefited from government programs helping you get where you are. Which would go against your “fair value for value exchange” concept. > > Get it now dipshit? I benefitted from a government program that is available to everybody, the same way I (and everybody) benefits from roads and stop signs. I didn’t gert some special program enacted to buy me stuff that I don’t want to pay for. Do YOU get it now, dipshit? My guess is you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/347 "2009-07-17T17:30:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I benefitted from a government program that is available to everybody, the same way I (and everybody) benefits from roads and stop signs. I didn’t gert some special program enacted to buy me stuff that I don’t want to pay for. Do YOU get it now, dipshit? My guess is you don’t. And how would a **Universal** Health Care program be different. Would that not be “available to everybody” (hint, dipshit, look at the bolded word)? You benefitted from a government program. How was that a “fair value for value exchange.” Or did you in fact not “get everything [you] have through a fair value for value exchange”? Were you lying when you said that? Or are you just too much of a dipshit to realize that you aren’t telling the truth? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/348 "2009-07-17T17:35:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > One wonders how you got so fat on your strict diet of semen and used band-aids. Steals your lunchbox? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/349 "2009-07-17T18:11:29Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I benefitted from a government program that is available to everybody, the same way I (and everybody) benefits from roads and stop signs. I didn’t gert some special program enacted to buy me stuff that I don’t want to pay for. Do YOU get it now, dipshit? My guess is you don’t. Um, roads and stop signs and schools are special programs that were enacted to buy you stuff you don’t want to pay for. So we can add the “I got everything I have through a fair value for value exchange” line to your list of flat-out lies then? Moron. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/350 "2009-07-17T18:18:24Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > So, education is a right, but not dying of preventable causes isn’t? :rolleyes: Of course: If it benefits RandRover (education, keeping poor people from stealing his stuff) it’s a right. If it benefits other people (gov’t health insurance) it’s socialism, if not (Horrors!) Communism. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/351 "2009-07-17T18:35:23Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > Um, roads and stop signs and schools are special programs that were enacted to buy you stuff you don’t want to pay for. > > So we can add the “I got everything I have through a fair value for value exchange” line to your list of flat-out lies then? > > Moron. There is a difference between benefiting from roads etc and whining and bitching until the government forces rich people to give you money to buy something you want. If you can’t see the difference, then you are beyond my powers to help you. My “fair value” line was only meant to say that I am one of the productive people that is able to produce sruff that people want, so I have the ability to get other stuff that I want and don’t have to force anyone to give it to me. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/352 "2009-07-17T18:42:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > There is a difference between benefiting from roads etc and whining and bitching until the government forces rich people to give you money to buy something you want. If you can’t see the difference, then you are beyond my powers to help you. > > My “fair value” line was only meant to say that I am one of the productive people that is able to produce sruff that people want, so I have the ability to get other stuff that I want and don’t have to force anyone to give it to me. You produce nothing. You are in a service industry–you service the truly rich by helping them avoid paying more taxes than they wish. If it weren’t for those taxes you abhor, you’d be out of a job. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/353 "2009-07-17T18:47:12Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > There is a difference between benefiting from roads etc and whining and bitching until the government forces rich people to give you money to buy something you want. If you can’t see the difference, then you are beyond my powers to help you. The only difference, the _only_ difference, is that the roads are in place already and UHC isn’t. You can argue against changing the status quo, sure, that’s what a good conservative is supposed to do. But treating it as though it’s UHC specifically that’s horrific and everything else the government is already doing is peachy is just disingenuous. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/354 "2009-07-17T18:50:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > My “fair value” line was only meant to say that I am one of the productive people that is able to produce sruff that people want, so I have the ability to get other stuff that I want and don’t have to force anyone to give it to me. It’s an exercise best left up to the reader how healthcare does not give one “the ability to get other stuff that (one) wants,” as being alive is usually a prerequisite to being a productive member of society. If I ever paid a dime in taxes to have **Rand Rover** educated, can I have it back? I resent being forced to pay to train him to eventually make money. Why should he have gotten so much in subsidized federal loans (law school don’t come cheap) and public education, just so he can “have the ability to get other stuff” he wants? That stuff you “have”, **Rand**? We all paid for you to get the ability to get it. No man is an island. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/355 "2009-07-17T18:54:05Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > There is a difference between benefiting from roads etc and whining and bitching until the government forces rich people to give you money to buy something you want. Apparently the difference is “we already have universal government-provided roads” and “we don’t yet have universal government-provided healthcare.” I also still want to know why you insist on handicapping American businesses with a huge additional expense that most foreign companies don’t have to bear. WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/356 "2009-07-17T18:58:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > There is a difference between benefiting from roads etc and whining and bitching until the government forces rich people to give you money to buy something you want. No there isn’t. > [@](#): > > If you can’t see the difference, then you are beyond my powers to help you. You’re the dipshit who said you had gotten everything you have through a value for value exchange, and you’re the dipshit who still believes that even though it’s been shown to be false. > [@](#): > > My “fair value” line was only meant to say that I am one of the productive people that is able to produce sruff that people want, so I have the ability to get other stuff that I want and don’t have to force anyone to give it to me. The only reason you are able to be one of the productive people is because the government took money (at gunpoint!!!) from others and used it to pay for your education. You are what you despise. Plus, you’re an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/357 "2009-07-17T19:03:32Z")
I’m still waiting on that pony. I think I’ll name him Vladimir. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/358 "2009-07-17T19:08:19Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > … I am one of the productive people that is able to produce stuff that people want … . LOL … you’re a leech. You don’t actually MAKE anything. You just skim off the top of the efforts of those of us who actually spend our days creating value. If tax law were simpler, your job would cease to exist. Do you have any useful, productive skills? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/359 "2009-07-17T19:09:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I also still want to know why you insist on handicapping American businesses with a huge additional expense that most foreign companies don’t have to bear. Not just business, but society in general, and not just with monetary expenses. Americans pay more and get less when it comes to health care, because the free market _ **just isn’t as good at it** _ as governments. The only reason this is such a controversy is America’s irrational fetishistic faith that the free market is ALWAYS better, screw the evidence. **Rand Rover** , being a randian naturally just doesn’t care about that; he doesn’t care about any lives but his own. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/360 "2009-07-17T19:11:36Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’m still waiting on that pony. > > I think I’ll name him Vladimir. I’m gonna name mine “Karl Marx”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=19)