# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/521 "2009-07-19T02:12:20Z")
I have no problem with some of my taxes going to pay for a poor guy to have his appendix removed, as long as he’s a U.S. citizen and is willing to work if he’s able. I thought we already had that covered with Medicaid and the various state children’s health programs, but if we don’t, I’m in favor of fixing it. What concerns me is that the proposed program is universal and overarching. If private insurance companies can’t control costs, how can the government do it? Plus, once this gets going, the list of treatments eligible for reimbursement becomes politically determined. Remember folks, we live in a democracy. Get ready for government-funded tattoo removal, boob jobs, tanning salons, massages, ionic foot baths, crystal therapy, and whatever else any quack can think up and get his Congressman to sneak into the appropriations bill. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/522 "2009-07-19T02:13:29Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, it doesn’t, and never has. Your statement is an ideologically driven statement of faith, and nothing more. Please. You are the king of ideologically driven statements of faith. You never make arguments, you just state conclusions (and asinine ones, at that). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/523 "2009-07-19T02:15:13Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > Plus, once this gets going, the list of treatments eligible for reimbursement becomes politically determined. Remember folks, we live in a democracy. Get ready for government-funded tattoo removal, boob jobs, tanning salons, massages, ionic foot baths, crystal therapy, and whatever else any quack can think up and get his Congressman to sneak into the appropriations bill. Exactamundo. And the surtax being discussed now is only the beginning. The program will become underfunded, at which point Congress will say “we have to fund this promise we made!!”, and the surtax will increase, and it’s slow growth and a shitty economy for decades. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/524 "2009-07-19T02:21:34Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > What concerns me is that the proposed program is universal and overarching. If private insurance companies can’t control costs, how can the government do it? Economy of scale, lack of a profit motive, concern for the future come to mind. Besides; the fact is that the government DOES control medical costs better, as seen all over the world. This isn’t some weird, wild eyed idea that’s never been tried. The wild eyed loonies here are the Americans who insist that the private sector MUST be more efficient for health care, in the face of all the evidence showing the opposite. > [@Hyperelastic](#): > > Plus, once this gets going, the list of treatments eligible for reimbursement becomes politically determined. Just like now, in other words. The main difference being we can vote against a politician who insists that they will provide Viagra but no birth control; we can’t when a private group does that. ---
**Author:** ![MichaelQReilly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@MichaelQReilly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MichaelQReilly)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/525 "2009-07-19T02:23:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t really care why they feel it is OK to take my money. Fucktard, this boat sailed 230 years ago. The power to tax is an inherent part of our government. Your whining that the government is taking your money to pay for things is a nonstarter. If you oppose a particular policy make a convincing argument against it. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/526 "2009-07-19T02:29:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I have a college degree – in something other than internet trolling, as your’s appears to be. And what have you done with that degree, after all of these years? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/527 "2009-07-19T02:30:38Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > And what have you done with that degree, after all of these years? That’s relevant to the thread how, exactly? Doesn’t picking on Guin ever get old for you assholes? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/528 "2009-07-19T02:35:36Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > That’s relevant to the thread how, exactly? Because his argument for the free market in healthcare has been kicked to shit, so the only fun left now is poking **Guin**. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/529 "2009-07-19T02:41:29Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > There is a way to get health insurance, pre-existing condition, or not. It’s called getting a job. I know that’s a foreign concept for you…but it’s true. And yet, you dumbass snatch, my last job did NOT provide decent health insurance, unless you were full-time. (They DID offer a program through AFFLAC, but it was a complete joke – and didn’t cover jackshit. Not prescriptions, specialists, anything other than routine check-ups.) Either way, I’m another with a pre-existing condition, so I’m fucking screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/530 "2009-07-19T02:47:39Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > That’s relevant to the thread how, exactly? I dunno, ask Guin. Why did the dim bulb bring it up in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/531 "2009-07-19T02:51:24Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I dunno, ask Guin. Why did the dim bulb bring it up in the first place? Yeah, it’s all her fault that you’re a bully and a mean-spirited jerk. The topic is universal health care, not picking on those you perceive to be weaker than you. Try to remember that, even though the line between the two is blurry for folks like you. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/532 "2009-07-19T02:52:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And yet, you dumbass snatch, my last job did NOT provide decent health insurance, unless you were full-time. Then get a full-time job that provides health insurance. Isn’t that what most people do? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/533 "2009-07-19T02:54:01Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I dunno, ask Guin. Why did the dim bulb bring it up in the first place? You claimed that she was unskilled, you forgot that it was you who claimed that. But, it is so nice of \*\*Carol \*\*to provide direct evidence that she is the dim one. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/534 "2009-07-19T02:55:46Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Then get a full-time job that provides health insurance. Isn’t that what most people do? Again, I’d like to ask you where you got the impression that employer-based health insurance is forced to take any employee, regardless of current health or condition. Because it certainly doesn’t appear to be the norm. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/535 "2009-07-19T03:03:27Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Then get a full-time job that provides health insurance. Isn’t that what most people do? Of course!!! Why didn’t I think of that!!! Such a simple solution – I’ll just go and get that one right now – despite the fact that there’s not much around here that isn’t nursing, or accounting, or basically something that requires a degree other than my own. 😉 And of course, said health insurance will just magically cover my health problem, won’t it? (Just curious, **Carol** , what DO you do? Seriously?) ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/536 "2009-07-19T03:07:56Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Again, I’d like to ask you where you got the impression that employer-based health insurance is forced to take any employee, regardless of current health or condition. Because it certainly doesn’t appear to be the norm. And I’d like a cite that they don’t take everyone. Obviously, they can’t ask about health conditions in the hiring process, but once your hired, the same group plan applies to everyone. So where is your evidence that employer-based health insurance is deniyng coverage? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/537 "2009-07-19T03:08:26Z")
I thought the economy has been shedding jobs for a year now. The numbers without insurance is just going up. Go to Steamland where good paying jobs with terrific coverage are everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/538 "2009-07-19T03:10:06Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Then get a full-time job that provides health insurance. Isn’t that what most people do? I want to live in your world. It sounds magical. I bet unicorns prance along on rainbows. Do they? It’d be ever so lovely. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/539 "2009-07-19T03:10:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Of course!!! Why didn’t I think of that!!! Such a simple solution – I’ll just go and get that one right now – despite the fact that there’s not much around here that isn’t nursing, or accounting, or basically something that requires a degree other than my own. Maybe you should have got a degree in nursing or accounting, rather than one in underwater basketweaving. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/540 "2009-07-19T03:11:02Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I thought the economy has been shedding jobs for a year now. The numbers without insurance is just going up. Go to Steamland where good paying jobs with terrific coverage are everywhere. Well not around here they ain’t. > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Maybe you should have got a degree in nursing or accounting, rather than one underwater basketweaving. Way to dodge my question. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=28)