# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/601 "2009-07-19T05:04:41Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to tell the truth. That you hate the freedom of the American worker… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/602 "2009-07-19T05:06:23Z")
That he hates America, period. (If anyone ELSE is interested, this winter, my meds were being adjusted, I kept having seizures around my time of the month, and naturally I wasn’t able to go in to work. A couple of times I missed an entire week – at least during our slow season) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/603 "2009-07-19T05:08:40Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > She said she called in sick during the winter. She never said it was because of the weather. > > I wouldn’t have thought it possible **Carol** but my opinion of you just dropped a bit lower. Mine goes five points lower every day _automatically_. You know, since I already know it’s going to drop anyway, in due time. Oh, and while I’m here I guess I’ll shamelessly plug my new single "[“Carol Stream or a Wart on my Ass: Which has More Purpose in Life?”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=525042). In stores now or wherever records are sold. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/604 "2009-07-19T05:15:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Read post 557 again, you moronic snatch. Do you even bother reading before you post? Why don’t you keep a real job, like the rest of humanity? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/605 "2009-07-19T05:15:22Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > It’s not a good thing for someone like Guin. Because you know who WOULD cover her, pre-existing condition and all? MEDICAID. Thus, if she really wants health care for her epilepsy, the only place she can turn to is the government. What about her parents? Are they destitute? How much are the meds each month? Keep in mind that [she only has “auras” every couple months or so](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=470512). ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/606 "2009-07-19T05:16:22Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That you hate the freedom of the American worker… LOL. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/607 "2009-07-19T05:17:04Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Why don’t you keep a real job, like the rest of humanity? What am I, invisible? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/608 "2009-07-19T05:21:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > No matter what job, no matter what health insurance company, no matter how high a premium she pays she will NEVER have health coverage for her epilepsy as long as she stays in the US. And it is LEGAL for this to happen. I’m almost positive that that’s not true in California (not that that helps **Guin** ). Like in many things, CA law requires more than the Federal minimum. Our minimum wage, for example, is higher than the Federal mandate as well. We also don’t allow discrimination based on sexual orientation. There are probably other States where this is true as well. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/609 "2009-07-19T05:21:41Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > What about her parents? Are they destitute? How much are the meds each month? Keep in mind that [she only has “auras” every couple months or so](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=470512). You don’t know shit about epilepsy or how it’s medicated, I take it, nor how much medication costs. And if her parents paid for her meds, I’m sure then you’d ridicule her for forcing her poor parents to shoulder the burden. But the fact is, private health insurance will not cover her, even if she got a job. The only insurance plan that will, regardless of pre-existing condition, is Medicaid. You say the current system is what’s best for everyone. It’s not, because Guin is not alone in being in this situation. And considering that government funded health care is the only avenue of coverage for people like this, you are disincentivizing them from getting jobs, aren’t you? > [@Carol Stream](#): > > Why don’t you keep a real job, like the rest of humanity? Why don’t you admit you’re wrong when it’s proven beyond the shadow of a doubt and apologize, like the rest of humanity? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/610 "2009-07-19T05:29:28Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I’m almost positive that that’s not true in California (not that that helps **Guin** ). Like in many things, CA law requires more than the Federal minimum. Our minimum wage, for example, is higher than the Federal mandate as well. We also don’t allow discrimination based on sexual orientation. There are probably other States where this is true as well. The exclusion period of federally regulated plans for pre-existing condition is 12 months. In CA for state regulated plans, it’s 6 months, which is better, but you could still die in 6 months without treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/611 "2009-07-19T05:30:24Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Why don’t you admit you’re wrong when it’s proven beyond the shadow of a doubt and apologize, like the rest of humanity? No. Why is Guin allowed to troll this message board, with her lies? It’s not that she can’t get a job, SHE DOESN’T WANT ONE, as that would take away from her basement time. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/612 "2009-07-19T05:32:08Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > if her parents paid for her meds, I’m sure then you’d ridicule her for forcing her poor parents to shoulder the burden. Absolutely not. It would be much better for her parents to pay than to force the taxpayers to pay. > [@Rubystreak](#): > > You say the current system is what’s best for everyone No. The current system sucks. A government-controlled system would suck even worse. The best system would be a one without any government involvement whatsoever. Prices would be set by supply and demand. It works for dentists. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/613 "2009-07-19T05:32:24Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > No. Why is Guin allowed to troll this message board, with her lies? This makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/614 "2009-07-19T05:33:37Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > No. Why is Guin allowed to troll this message board, with her lies? It’s not that she can’t get a job, SHE DOESN’T WANT ONE, as that would take away from her basement time. Why are you allowed to troll the boards? Same reason. I don’t see where she is lying. Are you a mind reader? Do you know what her employment status is and why the fuck do you give so much of a damn? It’s a diversionary tactic to distract everyone from the fact that you were proven wrong. We’re still waiting on that admission, otherwise, frankly, the evidence that you are a troll is much stronger than any evidence that Guin is. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/615 "2009-07-19T05:34:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m not sure what you think that chart shows. What I’m talking about is common sense. If someone feeds you, you can wait to be fed. If not, you have to work to get the food yourself. And when people have to work to get their food, they try to find easier or better ways to get it. Necessity, is indeed, the mother of invention. That’s all fine and good in an “everybody knows” sort of way, but how do we verify that it’s true? What facts do we have state that once the government provides extended services to the public they tend not to do anything? According to the page I linked to, countries that have these types of services (i.e. Sweden, Norway, France, etc) have lower unemployment rates. That doesn’t look to me like more people on the dole sitting around waiting for their check to come. So what other measurement is there that once a government starts handing out things like healthcare, the people get complacent and lazy? Unemployment rates seem to contradict that and I can’t really come up with any other way to measure laziness. > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Nevertheless, I was 100% covered by the health plan, on Day 1. Prior conditions notwithstanding, as they weren’t even asked about. Really? Day 1? Where the hell is that? I’ve had two corporate white collar jobs in the Chicago area and my friends have all had many over the years and I’ve yet to see one that doesn’t have a 30 - 90 gap in coverage. My current job made me wait 90 days from the first of the following month after I started. A friend of mine started on March 5th and her insurance didn’t start until July. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/616 "2009-07-19T05:34:57Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > No. Why is Guin allowed to troll this message board, with her lies? It’s not that she can’t get a job, SHE DOESN’T WANT ONE, as that would take away from her basement time. I don’t have proof, but I suspect that’s the real truth. I have a couple other family members who are exactly the same way. They supposedly have all kinds of “diseases” and medical conditions that keep them from working (whether real or imagined). But after hanging around with them for a while, the truth becomes evident. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/617 "2009-07-19T05:37:00Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I don’t have proof, but I suspect that’s the real truth. > > I have a couple other family members who are exactly the same way. They supposedly have all kinds of “diseases” and medical conditions that keep them from working (whether real or imagined). But after hanging around with them for a while, the truth becomes evident. So, you think she doesn’t have epilepsy? Why don’t you and Carol Stream gather your evidence that she’s lying, and then Pit her, so we can keep this thread about health care and not make it about Guin? Or do you feel compelled to keep this off topic because you’re both getting your asses handed to you on topic? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/618 "2009-07-19T05:44:06Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I don’t have proof, but I suspect that’s the real truth. I suspect you are baby raper. But I have no proof. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/619 "2009-07-19T05:44:54Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > Really? Day 1? Where the hell is that? I’ve had two corporate white collar jobs in the Chicago area and my friends have all had many over the years and I’ve yet to see one that doesn’t have a 30 - 90 gap in coverage. My current job made me wait 90 days from the first of the following month after I started. A friend of mine started on March 5th and her insurance didn’t start until July. Every job that I have had since finishing grad school (total of five) didn’t have an exclusionary period. My new insurance started right where the old one left off on Day 1. That’s why I thought that CA law was that way. I’ll take **Rubystreak** ’s word that CA requires a six month maximum but my employers must have offered something better than even CA law. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/620 "2009-07-19T05:53:33Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Every job that I have had since finishing grad school (total of five) didn’t have an exclusionary period. My new insurance started right where the old one left off on Day 1. That’s why I thought that CA law was that way. I’ll take **Rubystreak** ’s word that CA requires a six month maximum but my employers must have offered something better than even CA law. FTR, my teaching jobs had the benefits start at Day 1 as well. Must be up to the discretion of the employer to impose a waiting period on the beginning of benefits. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=32)