# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/741 "2009-07-20T00:13:20Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Where did you get the idea that life is a popularity contest, you dumb snatch? Maybe she got it from here? > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!: ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/742 "2009-07-20T00:14:38Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, why do you assume they will never be able to give more later? > > Think of JK Rowling and the treatment she got for her depression when she was on welfare in the UK, lots of people at Warner Bros in Hollywood are happy for the jobs made possible now because she got free treatment then, as it was reported that she contemplated suicide after her divorce. I was speaking of the generations of chronic welfare abusers, as well as those who are heavily into drugs, the chonic criminal and I’m sure others who pay little to no taxes yet cost society quite a bit of money. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/743 "2009-07-20T00:16:15Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Crafter\_Man was annoying me. So sorry. Deepest apologies. How could I ever make it up to you? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/744 "2009-07-20T00:17:23Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Oh my God. You clearly have no idea who you are talking to. Trust me, do not go down that road with this one. She was on the edge of the diving board, and you just shoved her into the pool. More like: She was on the edge of the board, and he just picked up the rest of us, threw us into the pool and then threw in a hundred hair dryers. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/745 "2009-07-20T00:18:14Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > More like: She was on the edge of the board, and he just picked up the rest of us, threw us into the pool and then threw in a hundred hair dryers. Yes. Much more accurate. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/746 "2009-07-20T00:18:31Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Her situation is a perfect example of how broken our system is. She is a dependent of her parents, and a safe assumption is that they can easily pay for her meds. But because there exists a program to force strangers to pay for them, they opt for that instead. Nice system. I am skeptical that **Guin** (or anyone else like her) is a better example of how broken our system is than the thousands of horror stories like the ones already quoted in this thread about being driven to bankruptcy because they had such overwhelming bills that their insurance ran out (or were just dropped entirely halfway through), or the ones who have to suffer through treatable illness because they had “the freedom to choose” between food or medication, etc. etc. Thus my questions from before. Maybe there are no answers to them. But I’d love more signs that they’re being considered. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/747 "2009-07-20T00:18:49Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > I’m sorry, that was a potshot because Crafter\_Man was annoying me. But if I’m honest, I have never, not once, in my 36 years of life, had a good experience that involves Ohio. (I live in Pittsburgh, I’ve been in and through Ohio a fair bit.) I don’t know why Ohio hates me, but I hate it back. I’m sorry, there are good people in Ohio, like you and MsWhatsit, but otherwise… blech. No worries. I have no particular fondness for the place. It’s impossible to insult me by insulting Ohio. Just don’t compare me to Ohioans. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/748 "2009-07-20T00:19:33Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > At least this is honest: the worth of people is nothing more than financial. If someone isn’t making money and feeding the beast, they aren’t worthwhile, screw 'em. If that is your world view, that is your problem. Me, I was just responding to a post dealing with one of the concerns surrounding a UHC. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/749 "2009-07-20T00:21:37Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Yes. Much more accurate. Thanks. After the first thread involving her, I learned board CPR for events just like this! ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/750 "2009-07-20T00:21:52Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > No worries. I have no particular fondness for the place. It’s impossible to insult me by insulting Ohio. > > Just don’t compare me to Ohioans. 😃 Hey! I grew up in the southeastern part of the state, moved away for 8 years, and have been back in the Columbus area for 4-ish years now, and I think it’s actually starting to grow on me. Like a pleasant sort of mold, or fungus. But we Ohioans tend to be a self-deprecatory lot anyway, so mock away if you must. Off-topic, I know, but seriously, this thread could use some OT to distract us from-- OW, WHO THREW THAT HAIR DRYER IN HERE?! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/751 "2009-07-20T00:21:59Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Where did you get the idea that life is a popularity contest, you dumb snatch? So what’s your purpose for being here? You don’t like or respect anyone here, the only time you post is to be antagonizing and be a bitch. So why do you even bother posting? (Oh, and yes, my family pays for my meds – except I do get aid from a private organization my doctor reccomended. Not that it’s any of your goddamned business. Why oh WHY is everyone so concerned about my private life all of a sudden here?) **tumbledown** , you’re from the 'burgh? Dude! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/752 "2009-07-20T00:23:08Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Hey! > > I grew up in the southeastern part of the state, moved away for 8 years, and have been back in the Columbus area for 4-ish years now, and I think it’s actually starting to grow on me. Like a pleasant sort of mold, or fungus. But we Ohioans tend to be a self-deprecatory lot anyway, so mock away if you must. > > Off-topic, I know, but seriously, this thread could use some OT to distract us from-- OW, WHO THREW THAT HAIR DRYER IN HERE?! SE Ohio? Where? I’m in Perry County! ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/753 "2009-07-20T00:23:54Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Oh, and yes, my family pays for my meds – except I do get aid from a private organization my doctor reccomended. Not that it’s any of your goddamned business. Why oh WHY is everyone so concerned about my private life all of a sudden here?) Your family has always paid for your meds? You’ve never been on the public dole? ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/754 "2009-07-20T00:24:33Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > It is if the taxpayers are paying for it. > > She lives at home. She’s 30 years old. Presumably her parents pay for \*everything \*- food, shelter, clothing, internet, heat, electricity, etc. Except her meds, of course. Why? Because the taxpayers can be forced to pay for them. How convenient. And you conveniently left out the part where she has a lifethreatening chronic illness as well as a restricting mental illness. Getting a job is, in itself, a problem. (Not even addressing the economy at the moment.) Getting a job with insurance is an even greater problem. Getting a job with insurance that will cover her and pay for her medication is a step beyond that. Taxpayers pay for the medical care for a lot of people whose own actions have caused their ailments. Why **shouldn’t** we offer care to someone whose illnesses arose through no fault of her own and who _requires_ regular and consistent medical attention in order to _live_? > [@](#): > > Her situation is a perfect example of how broken our system is. She is a dependent of her parents, and a safe assumption is that they can easily pay for her meds. No, that’s **your** assumption, based on nothing but your own conjecture because of what she’s said that her father does. You have no proof of that, but you’ve run with your assumption because it gives you a “reason” to insult her. > [@](#): > > But because there exists a program to force strangers to pay for them, they opt for that instead. Nice system. And her parents? Taxpayers. Her entire family are taxpayers. And when and if Guin’s condition allows her to get a job, she too will be a taxpayer again, which she has been before. And I’m a taxpayer too, and I want Guin to be able to get the medication and care she needs. Why is your vote on the matter more important than mine? > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Sounding like a two-year-old, I know, but Guin started tossing out the insults first. Why didn’t you go after her? You’re wrong about one thing, you don’t sound like a two year old, because two year olds don’t have such filthy mouths. You’re a disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/755 "2009-07-20T00:26:19Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > SE Ohio? Where? I’m in Perry County! Ha! How did I never realize this? I grew up in Zanesville, “Home of the World-Famous Y-Bridge.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/756 "2009-07-20T00:27:54Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I was speaking of the generations of chronic welfare abusers, as well as those who are heavily into drugs, the chonic criminal and I’m sure others who pay little to no taxes yet cost society quite a bit of money. I was also including them, but once a system is in place we should be able to identify those. As welfare reform showed, any health care system that is coming will be subject to changes. But clearly you are still proposing that any working poor that could have the potential to enrich the life of many in the future is out of luck. That is still a very rotten ideology. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/757 "2009-07-20T00:28:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I imagine that ad-exec pays a hell of a lot in taxes, if nothing else. Unlike a rather large segment of US society which pays little to no taxes yet take plenty out of society. So your tax burden is what measures your worth as a person huh? I know a lot of people working in the non-profit field who have no insurance who I think are giving a whole hell of a lot back to society than some snotty prick on Madison avenue, or some asshole plundering people’s pensions on Wall Street. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/758 "2009-07-20T00:31:23Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I am skeptical that **Guin** (or anyone else like her) is a better example of how broken our system is than the thousands of horror stories like the ones already quoted in this thread about being driven to bankruptcy because they had such overwhelming bills that their insurance ran out (or were just dropped entirely halfway through), or the ones who have to suffer through treatable illness because they had “the freedom to choose” between food or medication, etc. etc. I think the two have more in common that most people believe. For example, someone who had their parents pay for everything well into their twenties may have trouble budgeting, and recognizing what things are important to be able to pay for. Add in parental example that it is ok to take from the government even when you don’t need to and the dependency just gets worse. Swap out “parents” for “government” and is it any wonder we have so many people who don’t seem to be able to take care of themselves? > [@](#): > > Thus my questions from before. Maybe there are no answers to them. But I’d love more signs that they’re being considered. Can’t help you there - I only skimmed the pile of posts that came in between my first post to this thread and today! So I don’t think I saw your questions. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/759 "2009-07-20T00:31:29Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Your family has always paid for your meds? You’ve never been on the public dole? No. My family paid for my meds growing up. I paid for them when I was working. I’ve never been on public assistance, unless you count unemployment, but since I paid for it when I was working, I don’t believe that counts. (It’s also such a small amount, it’s a joke) But nice assumptions. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/760 "2009-07-20T00:34:55Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > So sorry. Deepest apologies. How could I ever make it up to you? Please be advised that the SDMB Straight Line/Setup Award 2009 nominations have been closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=39)