# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/761 "2009-07-20T00:36:13Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Your family has always paid for your meds? You’ve never been on the public dole? Coward X2 On top of not dealing with the cites that show that you are indeed in favor of continuing limiting the freedoms of the American worker, you are still attacking someone else. In the end, it is just an attempt to distract others to the fact that you are incapable of dealing with the facts. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/762 "2009-07-20T00:37:35Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, why do you assume they will never be able to give more later? > > Think of JK Rowling and the treatment she got for her depression when she was on welfare in the UK, lots of people at Warner Bros in Hollywood are happy for the jobs made possible now because she got free treatment then, as it was reported that she contemplated suicide after her divorce. It’s true JK Rowling’s tax burden is worth more than probably every single person in this thread, so her life is more valuable than all of us combined! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/763 "2009-07-20T00:39:28Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s true JK Rowling’s tax burden is worth more than probably every single person in this thread, so her life is more valuable than all of us combined! Do I have to assume that you also have “time-line blindness” like many right wingers suffer? Unfortunately, not even in England they offer treatment for that syndrome. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/764 "2009-07-20T00:39:48Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s true JK Rowling’s tax burden is worth more than probably every single person in this thread, so her life is more valuable than all of us combined! That last Harry Potter book was pretty damn good, you have to admit. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/765 "2009-07-20T00:45:04Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Can’t help you there - I only skimmed the pile of posts that came in between my first post to this thread and today! So I don’t think I saw your questions. I had several posts with questions for those of a libertarian bent. Some were addressed, some weren’t. Let me paste a paragraph asking some that weren’t (and feel free to ignore if they don’t apply to your particular political POV; they were not asked with you in particular in mind): What government involvement or regulation causes it to be so unprofitable to insure and/or treat so many people without back-breaking costs/premiums passed on to said people? Why would lack of whatever government involvement/regulation cause it to become profitable? With that unprofitability, what would cause companies to fill the demand produced by those people? What would be their motive? Or else, what would keep them from going under and/or having to stave off shareholders/owners angry at the reduced profit? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/766 "2009-07-20T00:45:52Z")
> [@](#): > > That last Harry Potter book was pretty damn good, you have to admit. Like Hell I do! The entire arc of his existential duality was compromised, the thanotological principles are bogus, and Vandermort is like, _ewwww_! ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/767 "2009-07-20T00:46:15Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Your family has always paid for your meds? You’ve never been on the public dole? > [@Guinastasia](#): > > **No**. My family paid for my meds growing up. I paid for them when I was working. **I’ve never been on public assistance** , unless you count unemployment, but since I paid for it when I was working, I don’t believe that counts. (It’s also such a small amount, it’s a joke) > > But nice assumptions. :dubious: Oops. Another lie: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=429829&page=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=429829&page=3) > [@Adults who still whine about how mean their mommy is](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/adults-who-still-whine-about-how-mean-their-mommy-is/412760/111): > > _sigh_ Mostly, it’s part financial/medical. My job history has been spotty, my health-mental AND physical isn’t what I’d like it to be. I was diagnosed with epilepsy earlier this year, and **I’m on Medicaid**. My caseworker told me that living at home was actually an advantage. (I can’t remember all the details, and even then, I don’t feel like going into them.) > > Either way, it’s between my family and I, and like I said, nobody else’s goddamned business. If it’s pathetic, well, fine. I really don’t give a shit. > > And finally, I like my job, I’ve got friends, things are picking up, and I’m content for the time being. > > Besides, I’d have to leave my kitties behind. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/768 "2009-07-20T00:49:16Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > That last Harry Potter book was pretty damn good, you have to admit. It seems that many of the right wingers in this thread believe that a Wizard did it. 🙂 Pay no attention to all that socialistic health care help -that she got when she was in need- behind the curtain! And on preview: I see that the coward freedom hater is still at it. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/769 "2009-07-20T00:50:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I was also including them, but once a system is in place we should be able to identify those. As welfare reform showed, any health care system that is coming will be subject to changes. Well, we have already spent decades identifying those who decide to live on the taxpayer, and they are still doing it… > [@](#): > > But clearly you are still proposing that any working poor that could have the potential to enrich the life of many in the future is out of luck. I am? Huh. I thought I was pointing out that that people value that which they work for far more than anything they are just handed. And that the more you just hand to people. the more dependent they become, and dependent people don’t tend to be very productive. But you just go ahead and assume anything you want, I’m sure it’s much more fun for you that way. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/770 "2009-07-20T00:53:19Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > I had several posts with questions for those of a libertarian bent. Some were addressed, some weren’t. Let me paste a paragraph asking some that weren’t (and feel free to ignore if they don’t apply to your particular political POV; they were not asked with you in particular in mind): > > What government involvement or regulation causes it to be so unprofitable to insure and/or treat so many people without back-breaking costs/premiums passed on to said people? Why would lack of whatever government involvement/regulation cause it to become profitable? With that unprofitability, what would cause companies to fill the demand produced by those people? What would be their motive? Or else, what would keep them from going under and/or having to stave off shareholders/owners angry at the reduced profit? Regulation (such as licensing and or education requirements) increases the barrier to entry. The higher the barrier to entry into the market the less competition there is. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/771 "2009-07-20T00:55:18Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I am? Huh. I thought I was pointing out that that people value that which they work for far more than anything they are just handed. And that the more you just hand to people. the more dependent they become, and dependent people don’t tend to be very productive. > > But you just go ahead and assume anything you want, I’m sure it’s much more fun for you that way. Clearly, the example presented was not as you describe. Not all poor people will fit your cartoon view of the world. But as I posted already, many who are indeed working are still living under the fear of going bankrupt under the current rotten system that we have. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/772 "2009-07-20T00:56:28Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > Regulation (such as licensing and or education requirements) increases the barrier to entry. The higher the barrier to entry into the market the less competition there is. But without those regulations, how much quality competition would be added, compared to the “noise” of quacks and the completely unqualified? How would you determine where to draw the regulation line, if any? And how would any of that affect the profitability of treating/insuring those it is unprofitable to treat/insure? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/773 "2009-07-20T00:56:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Do I have to assume that you also have “time-line blindness” like many right wingers suffer? > > Unfortunately, not even in England they offer treatment for that syndrome. 😛 It doesn’t matter! Stop overcomplicating it! The bottom line is her wallet proves that she is more valuable than you! ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/774 "2009-07-20T00:57:36Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > No. My family paid for my meds growing up. I paid for them when I was working. I’ve never been on public assistance, unless you count unemployment, but since I paid for it when I was working, I don’t believe that counts. (It’s also such a small amount, it’s a joke) So who is paying for them now? Since you’re not working, and you’ve allegedly grown up? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/775 "2009-07-20T00:58:02Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > So your tax burden is what measures your worth as a person huh? I know a lot of people working in the non-profit field who have no insurance who I think are giving a whole hell of a lot back to society than some snotty prick on Madison avenue, or some asshole plundering people’s pensions on Wall Street. Which has what to do with what I posted? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/776 "2009-07-20T00:58:03Z")
What stuns me most is the impression I get that some people would oppose this thing even if it worked! Even if a trivial contribution from the fortunate and a generous determination from the rest of us…even if that resulted in millions of people living longer, better lives… They would be against it on principle! Principle! What kind of totally fucked up morally bass-ackwards\* principle\* would that be? I can understand an argument about whether it will work or not, clearly that cannot be certain, there’s an element of risk. But to refuse to alleviate suffering and death on the basis of some abstract political science principle is to be morally retarded. The mind putters along quite well, but the spirit is a two year old child seizing a toy firetruck and screaming “Mine”! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/777 "2009-07-20T01:01:32Z")
Ooops!!! Yeah, I forgot about that. That was only to pay off the hospital bills that incurred – it was only temporary, and it NEVER covered my meds, or doctor’s visits, or anything else I needed. Once those bills were paid off – bam! I don’t think you understand just how HARD it is to GET assistance. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a compassionless, colder, more hateful individual here. Yes, I forgot. You want to think I lied, go right ahead. In fact, I’d prefer you do. [sub]Seriously, people, why would I lie? I know people can look up what I’ve said before, so if I made a mistake, please, correct me. It’s not like I give a shit what Crafter\_Man and Carol\_Stream think.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/778 "2009-07-20T01:01:45Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > But without those regulations, how much quality competition would be added, compared to the “noise” of quacks and the completely unqualified? How would you determine where to draw the regulation line, if any? And how would any of that affect the profitability of treating/insuring those it is unprofitable to treat/insure? Honestly, I don’t know. I was just stating the economic theory as I learned it in my economics class. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/779 "2009-07-20T01:03:31Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s true JK Rowling’s tax burden is worth more than probably every single person in this thread, so her life is more valuable than all of us combined! It was until she wrote that horrible epilogue to Book 7. AFAIC, now she can just languish in that ER waiting room like the rest of the unwashed. I work 2 PT jobs in the healthcare industry and don’t get health insurance with either one–and both hospitals which employ me are “faith-based” non-profits who pride themselves on their charity and compassion, except of course for assisting their PT employees with something as basic as health insurance. We lost ours (lovely, lovely Blue Cross) when my husband lost his job in February. The COBRA is killing our budget; we are just lucky to not have any real bad chronic illnesses. Still, I can’t have my foot surgery because then I’d be off for 6 weeks (no work, no pay for my jobs means no income at all for the family) and I can’t have my varicose vein surgery for ditto. Both of which put me at higher risk for either additional injury or joint issues OR a blood clot in my leg which could either cause localized problems in my leg OR break off and travel to my lungs and kill me. But forget about that pesky health insurance–who needs it? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/780 "2009-07-20T01:04:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What stuns me most is the impression I get that some people would oppose this thing even if it worked! Even if a trivial contribution from the fortunate and a generous determination from the rest of us…even if that resulted in millions of people living longer, better lives… How do you figure that 47%, going on 57%, is a trivial contribution? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=40)