# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/781 "2009-07-20T01:04:44Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It doesn’t matter! Stop overcomplicating it! The bottom line is her wallet proves that she is more valuable than you! Unless you can show me a formula that identifies those who are happy to always live on the taxpayer and those who don’t and will give a lot back in the future\*, it is not complicated. I rather run the risk to get some abusers in the system in exchange of having families free from the fear of losing more than just a few sick days. \*Do you still have a problem with time-lines? I was talking about JK when she was not a well-to-do writer. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/782 "2009-07-20T01:06:51Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Unless you can show me a formula that identifies those who are happy to always live on the taxpayer and those who don’t and will give a lot back in the future\*, it is not complicated. I rather run the risk to get some abusers in the system in exchange of having families free from the fear of losing more than just a few sick days. > > \*Do you still have a problem with time-lines? I was talking about JK when she was not a well-to-do writer. You do get that **mswas** is not only agreeing with you, he is openly mocking those here who don’t support universal health insurance, right? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/783 "2009-07-20T01:08:40Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > Ha! How did I never realize this? I grew up in Zanesville, “Home of the World-Famous Y-Bridge.” I was just in Zanesville earlier today. Not on the Y-bridge though. I live in Somerset, home of the not precisely world-famous statue of Little Phil right smack dab in the middle of the square so that unwary passersby nearly plow into other drivers, pedestrians, and the occasional Amish buggy. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/784 "2009-07-20T01:10:32Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > You do get that **mswas** is not only agreeing with you, he is openly mocking those here who don’t support universal health insurance, right? :dubious: I’m not sure now :), You never know what to get from **mswas**. But I suspected he was mocking and that is why I put a smilie in the first reply. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/785 "2009-07-20T01:11:23Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > How do you figure that 47%, going on 57%, is a trivial contribution? I depends upon what the whole amount is. 47% going on 57% of what? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/786 "2009-07-20T01:12:42Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > It was until she wrote that horrible epilogue to Book 7. AFAIC, now she can just languish in that ER waiting room like the rest of the unwashed. Eleanor is harsh but fair. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/787 "2009-07-20T01:14:16Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > You should not. The poor should just go away and die quietly. When the poor get sick, they are so annoying. Now that you have barfed your snarkiness out for all to see, would you like to try answering the question? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/788 "2009-07-20T01:16:26Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > Ever heard of Medicaid Only covers a sub-set of the poor. You can be below the poverty line in income and still not qualify. > [@](#): > > Medicare Only covers the disabled and those over 65. > [@](#): > > SCHIP Only covers those under 18 > [@](#): > > free clinics? Don’t exist everywhere, and are currently suffering budget cuts even as demand for their services rise. > [@](#): > > Some people believe government medicine would be able to control costs and use the savings to extend care to more people. If they try it and it works, great. But I’m skeptical. I’m OK with you being skeptical. Me, I don’t trust politicians of any stripe. But I do know we’ve got a bunch of adults in this country who _aren’t_ covered by health insurance with no access to the system outside an ER. That’s a social problem and a potential public health problem and we need to find a better way to deal with the problem. I don’t have a problem with people disagreeing about the way to go about it, what is making my gorge rise is the way certain people on this board are dismissing the needs of those people and dismissing them as some sort of human scum or lazy bums. THAT is not productive. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/789 "2009-07-20T01:19:01Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > 1. Because you pay for it now. Your taxes currently go to pay for people who stagger into ERs with the the mumps. Just because we are forced to pay for it now doesn’t make it right. > [@](#): > > 1. The workforce is a natural resource. A healthier workforce will lead to more profit for business in the long run. Just like roads do, just like fiber optic lines do, just like power lines do, just like running water does. > > Your business may never use 99% of the roads in the country, but by having them we create an environment where business can prosper and capitalism thrives. > > Same thing with the workforce. If more people are working, more people have preventative care, more people less worried about their kids getting sick, people will spend more, drive more business, be more productive and help us as a nation. That’s why I buy insurance for my family. That’s my area of responsibility. I don’t buy that socialist pie-in-the-sky crap for a moment. Taking money out of my paycheck does NOT enable me to go out and spend more, drive more business, be more productive and help us as a nation. > [@](#): > > 1. Other countries do it and they are fucking our companies in the turd-clipper because we can’t compete. Egads, I just heard the echo of my long-dead mother’s voice: “So if everyone else decides to be stupid and jump off the roof and break their necks, you gotta do it too?”. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/790 "2009-07-20T01:21:50Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Egads, I just heard the echo of my long-dead mother’s voice: “So if everyone else decides to be stupid and jump off the roof and break their necks, you gotta do it too?”. Um, isn’t that kind of what we’re doing already? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/791 "2009-07-20T01:24:11Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > You have a small mind, and a black heart, if you would lower yourself to hate someone. And we should believe this because you speak from such ample experience, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/792 "2009-07-20T01:24:43Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Really simply, since if you think no one has explained it your reading comprehension is not hot. > > 1. You already do. Don’t you want the money you spend to be spent more wisely? As I said to someone else, just because the money is being stolen from me now doesn’t make it right. And expect government to spend money more wisely? It is to laugh. > [@](#): > > 1. You will not, do not, and cannot have the option, in our society, to stand around and watch the poor die. It’s not going to happen under any circumstances at all so, again, don’t you want to contribute ideas on how it should be fixed? > > You who are simply whining about not wanting to pay for it are voluntarily cutting yourselves off from contributing ideas. Your side lost decades ago. You’re fighting a war that just makes you powerless and absurd. Your loss, of course, and your choice, but damn, people. Can’t you find it in yourselves to sell your ideas instead of kicking people in the teeth? Nice socialist diatribe there. Actually, I do have the right to stand around and watch the poor die if I so desire. I don’t, which is why I donate to charity. And that is the key, right there: _I_ donate. I make the decision about where my money goes and what is done with it - NOT the government. If money were piss in a boot, the government couldn’t pour it out even if the directions were printed on the heel. The only thing government does well is grow and waste money. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/793 "2009-07-20T01:25:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Just because we are forced to pay for it now doesn’t make it right. Of course not, the USA is almost paying twice what other developed nations are and the USA system still does not cover all. The most astonishing thing is that people like you ignore that changes are needed to reduce that burden and to allow more companies and start-ups to set shop in America. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/794 "2009-07-20T01:25:23Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Egads, I just heard the echo of my long-dead mother’s voice: “So if everyone else decides to be stupid and jump off the roof and break their necks, you gotta do it too?”. Everyone else decided to jump off the roof to escape a bear (because they don’t have to outrun the bear they just have to outrun you). You just want to stand on a roof and quote your dead mama as if that’s going to help you against a bear. You keep crying that people are breaking their necks by jumping off the roof. But it’s absolutely demonstrable that they aren’t. You think they should break their necks that way, but they don’t. Y’all qualify as a religion, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/795 "2009-07-20T01:26:01Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > That’s why I buy insurance for my family. That’s my area of responsibility. I don’t buy that socialist pie-in-the-sky crap for a moment. Taking money out of my paycheck does NOT enable me to go out and spend more, drive more business, be more productive and help us as a nation. So what do you suggest needs to be done with the system as it stands now, if anything? How would your solution be better than UHC in tangible ways? > [@](#): > > Egads, I just heard the echo of my long-dead mother’s voice: “So if everyone else decides to be stupid and jump off the roof and break their necks, you gotta do it too?”. To take your metaphor, I think the point (s)he was making was “Well, a bunch of people have jumped off the roof, but they were careful to jump into the pit filled with pillows. When they came out, they brought with them a bunch of hundred dollar bills that the pillows were resting on. Whereas we are just sitting there on the rooftop closing our eyes and refusing to acknowledge that anything good came out of jumping anywhere off that roof ever.” Geez, that IS a tortuous metaphor, isn’t it? I guess some things just weren’t designed for extrapolation? ETA: And others did a much better job than I did. Which is why I wouldn’t have dared make the metaphor in the first place. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/796 "2009-07-20T01:26:13Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Y’all qualify as a religion, don’t you? Now you did it… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/797 "2009-07-20T01:27:26Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So it’s a good idea to give a segment of society that doesn’t give back the opportunity to take even more from it? ^ so says the woman dependent on social security disability. You know, a taxpayer funded government entitlement program. Also dependent on Medicare for HER medical needs, you know, a _government_ health care program. Uh, yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/798 "2009-07-20T01:27:40Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As I said to someone else, just because the money is being stolen from me now doesn’t make it right. And expect government to spend money more wisely? It is to laugh. “But it’s not FAAAAIR that the bear is going to eat me and everyone else got away! It’s not FAIR and it doesn’t fit my worldview!” _nom_ ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/799 "2009-07-20T01:30:41Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Now you did it… There’s federal money in a faith-based initiative fund somewhere with this thread’s name on it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/800 "2009-07-20T01:31:18Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > > [@Polycarp](#): > > > > You’re right; all children should be cast out to fend for themselves. After all, they contribute nothing to society! > > While we’re at it, lets cast out the handicapped too! Wait! That would boot \*\*curlcoat \*\*out in the cold too! Oh, wait… nevermind. For a minute there I thought there would be a bad consequence to the idea [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=41)