# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1001 "2009-07-20T19:45:33Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > What have you seen that suggests healthcare will be any different? If you’ll reread my post you’ll see that I was asking Rubystreak to comment on a position which _she_ put forth. One which contradicts what I think is a more sensible solution. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1002 "2009-07-20T19:49:13Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > If you’ll reread my post you’ll see that I was asking Rubystreak to comment on a position which _she_ put forth. One which contradicts what I think is a more sensible solution. You’re right, fair enough. Still, I think you misconstrued her post, or at least there’s two different interpretations. While you were concerned for the rich in your response, I think she was more concerned for the poor who can’t afford health insurance. Everyone’s entitled to the same basic level of health insurance, though that doesn’t mean those with money can’t buy better. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1003 "2009-07-20T20:10:04Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > You’re right, fair enough. > > Still, I think you misconstrued her post, or at least there’s two different interpretations. While you were concerned for the rich in your response, I think she was more concerned for the poor who can’t afford health insurance. Everyone’s entitled to the same basic level of health insurance, though that doesn’t mean those with money can’t buy better. Just to clarify, I wasn’t concerned for anyone. I was/am just trying to see how closely what she wrote reflects her actual position. Before I challenge her on it I thought I’d ask for clarification. I expect (hope) that she might have wrote it too quickly or something. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1004 "2009-07-20T20:17:05Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t know about where she is, but where I live _McDonald’s is not hiring_ right now. You DO know the economy is crap right now, correct? I’ve been applying for jobs for two years now and only got three of them, two of which did not last more than three months and none of which paid nearly what I was earning before and I don’t have a limiting medical issue to contend with. If the healthy and able-bodied are having trouble finding a job, any job (and in many parts of the country they are) someone with a chronic medical condition, particularly one that limits the ability to get around (i.e. prevents one from driving a car) is going to have a MUCH harder time find employment no matter how many resumes they send out or applications they submit. > > The more important question, under the circumstances, might be _is she actively looking for_ a job, as opposed to, say, twiddling her thumbs all day? Not that it’s any of your damn business. Nope, not MickeyD’s, or BK, or any of them. I look on Monster all the time – like I said, most of it’s stuff that you need a degree in accounting, or nursing, or something of that nature. And as I said, I’m limitted as far as being able to travel – I can’t drive, naturally. The two service jobs I HAD, I obtained while in school. It took me something around _three years_ to find my last job. (Or was it four, I can’t remember – but no doubt the rest of you will!) And in the meantime, I did volunteer work, and odd jobs here and there (babysitting, helping out at the funeral home) I can’t remember the last time I went to the doctor for a regular check-up. I have a doctor’s appointment tomorrow – with my neurologist. I pay partly with my unemployment, part from my folks. The last time I was insured? I was in _college_. That’s ten years ago. (And no, I’m not insured – it’s all out of pocket. My father pays now, but when I was working, I was paying for my own meds out of pocket as well. (Or when I DID see a job that was affiliated with the History Center, but it was in Ohio – and didn’t pay enough for me to move there. Grrrrrr) > [@Kalhoun](#): > > You resisters don’t have enough group mentality to organize and give someone the authority to tell you which commie to shoot. You’ll turn on each other before you even get outside the compound. I find this amusing. That and all they’re doing is a.) making themselves look like a bunch of nutjobs and b.) driving up the cost of ammunition. My uncles and my cousins (all hunters and gun owners themselves!) were talking about this idiotic mentality at our last family get together. [IF we’re lucky](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_police_shootings)… (Mind you, I am all for responsible, rational gun-owners. Key word being _rational_. People with common sense, who don’t think that the government is planning on storming their basements to take away their butter knives, or whatever) As for those who have insurance…[well, things don’t always work out the way they plan](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=513748) > [@NinetyWt](#): > > I don’t think that it’s a reasoned response. Rather, it’s a mantra. Get a job … get a job … get a job. Sha na na na sha na na na na.! ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1005 "2009-07-20T20:22:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > While society _may_ be obligated to feed people, there’s no obligation to feed them the same things that wealthy people eat—things they buy with their own money. Do you not see a similar situation with healthcare? Please point to the posts where anyone is advocating for universal coverage of procedures that are not medically necessary. I must have missed the “free boob jobs for teenage sluts” portion of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1006 "2009-07-20T20:24:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Sha na na na sha na na na na.! I’d just like to note that, despite an immediate urge to do so, I had the good grace to refrain from the above… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1007 "2009-07-20T20:24:11Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I must have missed the “free boob jobs for teenage sluts” portion of the thread. However, since you brought it up, I would just like to note for the record that I am totally in favor of free boob jobs for teenage sluts. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1008 "2009-07-20T20:29:28Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’d just like to note that, despite an immediate urge to do so, I had the good grace to refrain from the above… Duly noted, sir. \* _adds gold star to jayjay’s chart_ \* ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1009 "2009-07-20T20:32:37Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > However, since you brought it up, I would just like to note for the record that I am totally in favor of free boob jobs for teenage sluts. You wouldn’t be, if you saw the kind of boob jobs you can expect from _socialized medicine_. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1010 "2009-07-20T20:42:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > You wouldn’t be, if you saw the kind of boob jobs you can expect from _socialized medicine_. Two words: Play-Doh. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1011 "2009-07-20T20:48:36Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Two words: Play-Doh. Play-Doh boobs would actually be fun. I’d bet it would be something more along the lines of Jell-O in Ziploc bags. Only without the name brands–so, gelatin deserts inside of zipper storage bags. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1012 "2009-07-20T20:48:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > However, since you brought it up, I would just like to note for the record that I am totally in favor of free boob jobs for teenage sluts. Wouldn’t it be cheaper to inject some sort of _slut hormone_ into chicks that already have nice tits? We have to look at cost saving measures for health care reform. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1013 "2009-07-20T20:51:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Wouldn’t it be cheaper to inject some sort of _slut hormone_ into chicks that already have nice tits? We have to look at cost saving measures for health care reform. In that case, it would probably be cheaper in the short term to get men and lesbians drunk enough to think every chick they see is a slut with nice hooters. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1014 "2009-07-20T20:54:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > In that case, it would probably be cheaper in the short term to get men and lesbians drunk enough to think every chick they see is a slut with nice hooters. A good shot of quicklime to the eyes of anyone attracted to women would also render them incapable of visually verifying the hotness of the slut titties. Said slut could them be outfitted with a re-usable false front with eminently honkable breasts, a prosthetic which could easily be shared among a clique of sluts. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1015 "2009-07-20T20:56:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Please point to the posts where anyone is advocating for universal coverage of procedures that are not medically necessary. I must have missed the “free boob jobs for teenage sluts” portion of the thread. He was picking that up from my subconscious. I apologize. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1016 "2009-07-20T20:57:47Z")
I’m sure they won’t answer this, but I am surprised that **Rand Rover** and **Crafter\_Man** accept the whole concept of insurance in the first place. Don’t they realize that the money they or their employers pay for medical insurance is being paid out, right this minute, to _other people_? It’s not as if they collect the money and hold it in special **Rand Rover** or **Crafter\_Man** accounts to be disbursed to back to them if they get sick. If they have coverage from a large insurance company, that means millions of other people will get _their_ money. Hell, if they’re healthy their whole lives and die of an accident, they’ll have paid all this money and not gotten one fucking penny back that they’ve paid! So, why is the above acceptable, but including the rest of us - in a much larger actuarial pool and with lower administrative costs - unacceptable. One would assume such God-like, rugged individualists would have saved their money and wisely invested it so they could pay for any necessary medical procedure out of pocket. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1017 "2009-07-20T20:58:04Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > gelatin deserts Is that akin to marmalade skies? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1018 "2009-07-20T20:58:06Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > I know that was tongue-in-cheek, but here I am, an entrepreneur who started her own business nine years ago, with shitty insurance. It has a high deductible ($5,000 per year) and won’t cover my cholesterol medication because of pre-existing conditions. I can afford it most months, but some days I take only 2 or 3 capsules rather than the four prescribed, so as to stretch it out until I can afford to get it refilled. And that’s great for you. Now, what percentage of people who start a business in your area manage to succeed and how many crash and burn? One success story doesn’t mean the other nine failed because they deserved it. Stuff like UHC and other domestic programs isn’t about the people who managed to make it, whether it was because daddy was well-off enough to cover them or because they had the godlike prescience to become the world’s number one tax accountant. It’s about the poor people who, for some reason, fall through the cracks. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1019 "2009-07-20T21:00:43Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > And that’s great for you. Now, what percentage of people who start a business in your area manage to succeed and how many crash and burn? One success story doesn’t mean the other nine failed because they deserved it. > > Stuff like UHC and other domestic programs isn’t about the people who managed to make it, whether it was because daddy was well-off enough to cover them or because they had the godlike prescience to become the world’s number one tax accountant. It’s about the poor people who, for some reason, fall through the cracks. > > -Joe I don’t think **NinetyWt’s** account was much of a success story, as far as health insurance is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1020 "2009-07-20T21:02:18Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > I’m sure they won’t answer this, but I am surprised that **Rand Rover** and **Crafter\_Man** accept the whole concept of insurance in the first place. Don’t they realize that the money they or their employers pay for medical insurance is being paid out, right this minute, to _other people_? It’s not as if they collect the money and hold it in special **Rand Rover** or **Crafter\_Man** accounts to be disbursed to back to them if they get sick. If they have coverage from a large insurance company, that means millions of other people will get _their_ money. Hell, if they’re healthy their whole lives and die of an accident, they’ll have paid all this money and not gotten one fucking penny back that they’ve paid! > > So, why is the above acceptable, but including the rest of us - in a much larger actuarial pool and with lower administrative costs - unacceptable. One would assume such God-like, rugged individualists would have saved their money and wisely invested it so they could pay for any necessary medical procedure out of pocket. They addressed this by saying that they were in their health insurance plans of their own free will and that they could pick and choose another plan if the one they are in doesn’t work. As if. There aren’t very many people who have a lot of choice about which plan they have, if they can get coverage at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=52)