# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1021 "2009-07-20T21:03:22Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > …a clique of sluts. I thought the accepted term for a grouping of sluts was a _sorority_. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1022 "2009-07-20T21:05:39Z")
> [@C3](#): > > I don’t think **NinetyWt’s** account was much of a success story, as far as health insurance is concerned. Correct, I didn’t intend for it to come across as a ‘success story’. Sorry to mislead you there Joe. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1023 "2009-07-20T21:06:22Z")
> [@C3](#): > > They addressed this by saying that they were in their health insurance plans of their own free will and that they could pick and choose another plan if the one they are in doesn’t work. As if. There aren’t very many people who have a lot of choice about which plan they have, if they can get coverage at all. As dubious as I am about the possibility of choosing other plans (I’ve worked for some very big companies and none of them offered any choice - take it or leave it) _their_ money is still going out to _other_ people. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1024 "2009-07-20T21:06:43Z")
> [@C3](#): > > They addressed this by saying that they were in their health insurance plans of their own free will and that they could pick and choose another plan if the one they are in doesn’t work. As if. There aren’t very many people who have a lot of choice about which plan they have, if they can get coverage at all. You think they’d be annoyed that they can’t vote out the fatties and the sickies. Maybe that could be a new insurance market. F-U Insurance: Always Cutting The Bottom Ten Percent. If you’re not a loser, you have nothing to fear. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1025 "2009-07-20T21:08:03Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > Correct, I didn’t intend for it to come across as a ‘success story’. Sorry to mislead you there Joe. 🙂 In that case, you need better bootstraps. Yours were probably made by some overpaid, overweight, undereducated union worker. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1026 "2009-07-20T21:09:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So, it looks like I may be paying for health insurance for a lot of you motherfuckers. Is there anything else I can get you while I’m at it? A brand(!) new(!) car(!) perhaps? Or how about a week in Hawaii? > > You elected Obama so he could force people like me to pay for stuff for people like you, and it looks like you may get your wish. People like me? I pay for my own insurance. It costs me money. You don’t give me shit. So kindly have a nice hot mug of Shut The Fuck Up. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1027 "2009-07-20T21:16:35Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > People like me? > I pay for my own insurance. It costs me money. You don’t give me shit. > > So kindly have a nice hot mug of Shut The Fuck Up. Then you’re obviously an idiot for not wanting to dangle insulin needles in front of poor diabetics, only to guffaw uproariously when they feebly lunge for it. Or, at least for failing to whine like my daughter when she’s denied a popsicle. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1028 "2009-07-20T21:26:49Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Then you’re obviously an idiot for not wanting to dangle insulin needles in front of poor diabetics, only to guffaw uproariously when they feebly lunge for it. Or, at least for failing to whine like my daughter when she’s denied a popsicle. > > -Joe It never crossed my mind. I have failed. Do I have to turn in my supervillain membership card now? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1029 "2009-07-20T21:32:12Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > Is that akin to marmalade skies? No. Gelatin deserts are the confections that get left behind at a potluck because no one really likes them. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I thought the accepted term for a grouping of sluts was a _sorority_. Actually, I’m pretty sure the collective noun is an _imsowasted_ of sluts. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1030 "2009-07-20T21:40:10Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It never crossed my mind. > I have failed. Do I have to turn in my supervillain membership card now? ☹ I’m not sure, but I do think that Ayn Rand will never think fondly of you. It hurts, I know. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1031 "2009-07-20T21:49:45Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I’m not sure, but I do think that Ayn Rand will never think fondly of you. Pretty sure she hasn’t had much of an opinion of \*\*anyone \*\*since, oh, 1982. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1032 "2009-07-20T22:14:11Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > In that case, you need better bootstraps. Yours were probably made by some overpaid, overweight, undereducated union worker. > > -Joe I could use a new pair of boots. But of course, I don’t deserve any. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1033 "2009-07-20T22:31:44Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Jesus. Other developed nations are not the US. There are other things, really important things, that we don’t share with those nations other than a UHC. > > So, you think we should go with this billion dollar experiment because there might be 100 families that went bankrupt _only_ because of health care costs? Dontcha think it might make more sense to work on insurance reform? > [@consumeraffairs](#): > > Illness and medical bills caused half of the 1,458,000 personal bankruptcies in 2001, according to a study published by the journal Health Affairs. [From here](http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html#ixzz0LqECMsHh). ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1034 "2009-07-20T22:42:58Z")
Pretty sure that in that poster’s case, “Insurance reform” means “removing all regulations and letting The Market sort it all out”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1035 "2009-07-20T22:46:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Do you really believe this? While society _may_ be obligated to feed people, there’s no obligation to feed them the same things that wealthy people eat—things they buy with their own money. Do you not see a similar situation with healthcare? Everyone is entitled to medical care. I’m not sure what you want me to say to this, or what gotcha you think you’re setting me up for with this question. The analogy between medical care and food is not a perfect one, of course. If you’re poor, you’re not “entitled” to caviar, filet mignon, and champagne, but you are entitled to nutritious, filling food. However you want to extrapolate that analogy to health care, go for it. I’m not someone who gets offended or concerned about the term “socialist” that so gives other folks the vapors, so I’m not going to say that poor people deserve shittier doctors, worse hospitals, cheaper meds, less frequent well visits, etc., than rich people because they can’t afford the Cadillac of health insurance plans. I think investing in a healthy work force is vital to a successful capitalist country, but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1036 "2009-07-20T22:53:52Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Pretty sure she hasn’t had much of an opinion of \*\*anyone \*\*since, oh, 1982. I like to think that she’s been simmering underground all this time, furious that she has to share soil with the common man. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1037 "2009-07-20T22:54:41Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Pretty sure that in that poster’s case, “Insurance reform” means “removing all regulations and letting The Market sort it all out”. > > -Joe Well, I was rather trying to point out that bankruptcy due to medical issues is far bigger than the numbers that had been thrown around. But you’re right. **Curlcoat** says it would “make more sense to work on insurance reform”. What, pray tell, \*are \* they working on if they aren’t working on _insurance reform_? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1038 "2009-07-20T23:05:12Z")
More recent magazines in the waiting room. Stuff like that, crucial reforms. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1039 "2009-07-20T23:20:04Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Everyone is entitled to medical care. I’m not sure what you want me to say to this, or what gotcha you think you’re setting me up for with this question. The analogy between medical care and food is not a perfect one, of course. If you’re poor, you’re not “entitled” to caviar, filet mignon, and champagne, but you are entitled to nutritious, filling food. However you want to extrapolate that analogy to health care, go for it. I’m not someone who gets offended or concerned about the term “socialist” that so gives other folks the vapors, so I’m not going to say that poor people deserve shittier doctors, worse hospitals, cheaper meds, less frequent well visits, etc., than rich people because they can’t afford the Cadillac of health insurance plans. I think investing in a healthy work force is vital to a successful capitalist country, but that’s just me. That reminds me of a letter to the editor I read in the _Pittsburgh Post-Gazette_ a while back, where someone said that “good health” (HEALTH, mind you, not medical care!) was a luxury. It’s enough to RUIN one’s health. At least, it made me sick. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1040 "2009-07-20T23:31:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > That reminds me of a letter to the editor I read in the _Pittsburgh Post-Gazette_ a while back, where someone said that “good health” (HEALTH, mind you, not medical care!) was a luxury. It’s enough to RUIN one’s health. At least, it made me sick. It is. In our entitled society where we think that everything is a right we don’t realize that, but historically very few people have had good health for extended stretches of time. Good health IS a luxury, that’s not a statement of ideology, it’s a statemnt of practicality. Hell in order to not wreck my knees due to foot pronation I bought some orthotics. I opted for the cheap ones at 70, more than twice the price of the shoes they are in. I could've gotten the custom ones for like 600. Bottom line is no matter how healthy you are, you can always be healthier, and at a certain point medical care MUST be rationed otherwise everyone will think it’s the state’s obligation to spend billions to keep them alive and feeling spry for 400 years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=53)