# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1041 "2009-07-20T23:45:21Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It is. In our entitled society where we think that everything is a right we don’t realize that, but historically very few people have had good health for extended stretches of time. Good health IS a luxury, that’s not a statement of ideology, it’s a statemnt of practicality. No, perfect health is a luxury. Basic health care is not. Preventative care should not be. Even people with insurance have limits on what they can get. For instance: > [@](#): > > Hell in order to not wreck my knees due to foot pronation I bought some orthotics. I opted for the cheap ones at 70, more than twice the price of the shoes they are in. I could've gotten the custom ones for like 600. Bottom line is no matter how healthy you are, you can always be healthier, and at a certain point medical care MUST be rationed otherwise everyone will think it’s the state’s obligation to spend billions to keep them alive and feeling spry for 400 years. My insurance covers the orthotics my doctor made for me. I’m sure I could find a doctor who would make me better, cooler, more high tech ones, which I’d have to pay for out of pocket. Rich people could still get the pricey ones if they want. No one is preventing rich people from spending as much money as they want on high profile doctors, elective surgeries, traveling to “better” hospitals and facilities, etc. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1042 "2009-07-20T23:50:23Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Everyone is entitled to medical care. I’m not sure what you want me to say to this, or what gotcha you think you’re setting me up for with this question. The analogy between medical care and food is not a perfect one, of course. If you’re poor, you’re not “entitled” to caviar, filet mignon, and champagne, but you are entitled to nutritious, filling food. However you want to extrapolate that analogy to health care, go for it. I’m not someone who gets offended or concerned about the term “socialist” that so gives other folks the vapors, so I’m not going to say that poor people deserve shittier doctors, worse hospitals, cheaper meds, less frequent well visits, etc., than rich people because they can’t afford the Cadillac of health insurance plans. I think investing in a healthy work force is vital to a successful capitalist country, but that’s just me. I wasn’t setting you up for anything. I mentioned to **Bosstone** exactly what I was asking. So how about simply answering the question. YOU are the one who extrapolated the relationship the between rich and poor as far as food goes to healthcare. Now how about simply asking the question? There’s no boogeyman question around the corner. I’m just surprised that someone would advocate the rich and poor should get the same healthcare. That’s what you said upthread, and seem to defend now. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1043 "2009-07-20T23:51:23Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I wasn’t setting you up for anything. I mentioned to **Bosstone** exactly what I was asking. So how about simply answering the question. YOU are the one who extrapolated the relationship the between rich and poor as far as food goes to healthcare. Now how about simply asking the question? There’s no boogeyman question around the corner. I’m just surprised that someone would advocate the rich and poor should get the same healthcare. That’s what you said upthread, and seem to defend now. I answered it, and you quoted my answer. I elaborated on it in my response to mswas right above yours. What else is there you need me to answer for? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1044 "2009-07-20T23:54:12Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > No, perfect health is a luxury. Basic health care is not. Preventative care should not be. Even people with insurance have limits on what they can get. For instance: Well if only my insurance would cover me getting a massage once a week I’d be in damn fine condition. 😉 > [@](#): > > My insurance covers the orthotics my doctor made for me. I’m sure I could find a doctor who would make me better, cooler, more high tech ones, which I’d have to pay for out of pocket. Rich people could still get the pricey ones if they want. No one is preventing rich people from spending as much money as they want on high profile doctors, elective surgeries, traveling to “better” hospitals and facilities, etc. Cool, I haven’t looked into a podiatrist, I need to find a good one. I am scared of them because I’ve heard a lot of them are surgery happy. A friend of mine knows one that is more into the postural stuff, maybe he accepts my insurance, but she’s hard to pin down. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1045 "2009-07-20T23:54:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Please point to the posts where anyone is advocating for universal coverage of procedures that are not medically necessary. I must have missed the “free boob jobs for teenage sluts” portion of the thread. You must have also missed every class on reading comprehension and logic, too. I was asking a question to **Rubystreak** about what she said. I even quoted it, dumbshit. Your post to me is out of the blue, has no bearing on anything I’ve said. Congratulations on your climb to the upper nethers of the OneDumbFuck totem pole. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1046 "2009-07-20T23:57:45Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Congratulations on your climb to the upper nethers of the OneDumbFuck totem pole. I’d just like to say that I picture you saying this to him while sitting cross-legged on the top of the pole. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1047 "2009-07-20T23:58:07Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > I answered it, and you quoted my answer. I elaborated on it in my response to mswas right above yours. What else is there you need me to answer for? What I quoted wasn’t an answer. But I see that you did answer it as I was posting to you. My bad for not being able to read what was not there in the meantime. But thanks for the answer. It seems that your initial statement was simply on overstatement. As I both surmised and hoped. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1048 "2009-07-21T00:04:46Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well if only my insurance would cover me getting a massage once a week I’d be in damn fine condition. 😉 I hear you on that. This is the kind of thing I wish insurance would cover, since it’s cheaper and better for you than taking pain meds, or eventually getting back surgery. > [@](#): > > Cool, I haven’t looked into a podiatrist, I need to find a good one. I am scared of them because I’ve heard a lot of them are surgery happy. A friend of mine knows one that is more into the postural stuff, maybe he accepts my insurance, but she’s hard to pin down. I have never been told by a podiatrist I needed surgery, though I have really flat feet, plantar fasciitis, and pronation. My feet freakin’ kill me every day. The orthotics help, and my insurance did pay for them. Getting really structured shoes also helps. > [@magellan01](#): > > What I quoted wasn’t an answer. But I see that you did answer it as I was posting to you. My bad for not being able to read what was not there in the meantime. But thanks for the answer. It seems that your initial statement was simply on overstatement. As I both surmised and hoped. My answer was what you quoted, plus what I said to mswas. Everyone is entitled to decent, quality care. You can pay for premium care, but that’s up to you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1049 "2009-07-21T00:06:43Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d just like to say that I picture you saying this to him while sitting cross-legged on the top of the pole. Dude, you definitely need a new schtick. Your “X is stupid”, “Y is a moron”, etc. is beyond stale. And when you so easily revert to calling people dumb, moron, etc., as you do, it kinda loses its sting and makes _you_ look really fucking lame. In a dull, boring, pull-the-string-on-the-doll kinda way. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1050 "2009-07-21T00:07:59Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > My answer was what you quoted, plus what I said to mswas. Everyone is entitled to decent, quality care. You can pay for premium care, but that’s up to you. What I quoted did not answer the question. But what you offered **mswas** did. thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1051 "2009-07-21T00:12:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Dude, you definitely need a new schtick. Your “X is stupid”, “Y is a moron”, etc. is beyond stale. And when you so easily revert to calling people dumb, moron, etc., as you do, it kinda loses its sting and makes _you_ look really fucking lame. In a dull, boring, pull-the-string-on-the-doll kinda way. Ironic response from the guy who says things like this to anyone who irritates him in the Pit: > [@magellan01](#): > > You must have also missed every class on reading comprehension and logic, too. I was asking a question to Rubystreak about what she said. I even quoted it, dumbshit. Your post to me is out of the blue, has no bearing on anything I’ve said. Congratulations on your climb to the upper nethers of the OneDumbFuck totem pole. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1052 "2009-07-21T00:23:21Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Ironic response from the guy who says things like this to anyone who irritates him in the Pit: No, that’s not true. I have many ways to slap people about the ears. I reserve the stupid glove for those who not only irritate me, but irritate me with flagrant stupidity. And even then, I do it with nuance, freshness. Elan. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1053 "2009-07-21T00:23:28Z")
I’m thinking UHC is too much too soon. We should start by providing wellness care for children, then step it up to UHC for children, then take lessons learned and provide a spectrum of public/private options for a hybrid form of UHC. There’s going to be quite a bit of sticker shock. European countries are at an advantage because they instituted UHC while they were still economically desperate in the years following WWII; there wasn’t a bunch of “me first” numbnutted overgrown children with car keys going “waaah, I don’t wanna pay taxes, so I’m gonna collect guns and piss and moan!!” to deal with. Too bad a bunch of spoiled, overgrown children are the primary impediment to making sure real children don’t die. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1054 "2009-07-21T00:24:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > More recent magazines in the waiting room. Stuff like that, crucial reforms. Oh thank god, I keep wanting to finally find out who shot J.R.. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1055 "2009-07-21T00:29:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Dude, you definitely need a new schtick. Your “X is stupid”, “Y is a moron”, etc. is beyond stale. And when you so easily revert to calling people dumb, moron, etc., as you do, it kinda loses its sting and makes _you_ look really fucking lame. In a dull, boring, pull-the-string-on-the-doll kinda way. I said you were sitting on the top of your OneDumbFuck totem pole. That’s different. I’m gonna have to ask for a ruling by the judges. Now that you mention it you are pretty stupid though. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1056 "2009-07-21T00:31:28Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I reserve the stupid glove for those who not only irritate me, but irritate me with flagrant stupidity.Elan. Admit it. You masturbate with the stupid glove, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1057 "2009-07-21T00:33:22Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > I’m thinking UHC is too much too soon. We should start by providing wellness care for children, then step it up to UHC for children, then take lessons learned and provide a spectrum of public/private options for a hybrid form of UHC. There’s going to be quite a bit of sticker shock. European countries are at an advantage because they instituted UHC while they were still economically desperate in the years following WWII; there wasn’t a bunch of “me first” numbnutted overgrown children with car keys going “waaah, I don’t wanna pay taxes, so I’m gonna collect guns and piss and moan!!” to deal with. Too bad a bunch of spoiled, overgrown children are the primary impediment to making sure real children don’t die. Frankly, I think what is being proposed is too little, too late. I would kill for a single-payer system and I think the insurance industry needs to be first against the wall. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1058 "2009-07-21T00:34:34Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > I’m thinking UHC is too much too soon. We should start by providing wellness care for children, then step it up to UHC for children, then take lessons learned and provide a spectrum of public/private options for a hybrid form of UHC. There’s going to be quite a bit of sticker shock. European countries are at an advantage because they instituted UHC while they were still economically desperate in the years following WWII;… This makes a lot of sense. I think you’re right. > [@An\_Arky](#): > > …there wasn’t a bunch of “me first” numbnutted overgrown children with car keys going “waaah, I don’t wanna pay taxes, so I’m gonna collect guns and piss and moan!!” to deal with. Too bad a bunch of spoiled, overgrown children are the primary impediment to making sure real children don’t die. This doesn’t. Especially since the people who are pushing hardest for UHC, which you fear may be “too much too soon”, are people on the left, not the right. Your ham-handed cartoonish characterization of them aside. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1059 "2009-07-21T00:35:26Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > European countries are at an advantage because they instituted UHC while they were still economically desperate in the years following WWII; there wasn’t a bunch of “me first” numbnutted overgrown children with car keys going “waaah, I don’t wanna pay taxes, so I’m gonna collect guns and piss and moan!!” to deal with. Too bad a bunch of spoiled, overgrown children are the primary impediment to making sure real children don’t die. I think you’ve hit the answer here. We wait until all the Boomers die off before implementing UHC. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1060 "2009-07-21T00:36:44Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Frankly, I think what is being proposed is too little, too late. I would kill for a single-payer system and I think the insurance industry needs to be first against the wall. I think it has to be all-or-nothing simply because anything that does start out as something worthwhile will be pared down to ‘practically useless’ by the time it actually gets passed. Just do it and get it over with. The longer you wait the more people it hurts for no good reason. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=54)