# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 55
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1081 "2009-07-21T03:50:13Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > No, you want the taxpayers to support your decision to never work again. Your state funds ran out. Last anybody heard, you were hoping the feds would pony up. Any success on that front? Huh. I wasn’t aware that being too disabled to work was a decision one could just make whenever one felt like it. Nor was I aware that losing at least $20,000 a year in income was something everyone envies. As for “pony up”, is that the term you are going to use when you apply for your social security? Or is that somehow different because it’s you? For the record, my SS payments started last month. > [@](#): > > Your checkered tale of medical woes seems to have changed over time. Totally debilitating? Except for those long trips to drive your doggies around. The only reason that you think that anything has changed over time is because you have some idea that disabled must equal bedridden or at least housebound. If there was any way for us to change places, so you could get what you seem to think is free money and I could go back to work without having to put up with the pain, exhaustion, weakness, insomnia and overall unreliable body I have, I’d do it in a New York second. Heck, I won’t even wish my health issues on you, you can have the SS money for free - as long as I don’t have to live in this body anymore, I’ll be happy to go back to work and you can have the SS payments. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1082 "2009-07-21T03:54:51Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > The only difference in opinion I have is that she’s not _really_ this way, but merely a troll seeing how far she can push it, how many people she can piss off, how many fights and trainwrecks she can cause, etc. > I cannot fathom how any actual person can be this willfully ignorant in the face of many posts and people going “HELLO? You’re wrong. Here’s proof right here.” It would be nice to think she’s just a troll, and that no one could be that heartless, illogical, and mean. But a scarier thought is that she is exactly as she claims, and that she clings to her evil view of the world and other humans because she’s too myopic, penurious, and miserable to admit that other people are human, and suffer just like she does. And there are more where she came from, and unfortunately, many of them are shaping policy in this country. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1083 "2009-07-21T03:57:38Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Funny, though - states like Arizona and Texas ALSO have a problem with illegals living within their borders yet THEY aren’t quite the fiscal train wreck California is. So I don’t see where you can blame “the illegals” for the mess. I imagine that Arizona and Texas do not provide a mess of programs to illegals - California does. > [@](#): > > Maybe you should move somewhere other than California? You just don’t seem very happy there. I am extremely happy here, but due to all of the welfare programs and the S/N and BSL laws, we will probably be forced out of here. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1084 "2009-07-21T03:59:09Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The hypocrisy is appalling. When you turn 62 or 65 or whatever age you decide to retire, are you going to turn down your Social Security? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1085 "2009-07-21T04:00:39Z")
She’s not complaining about it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1086 "2009-07-21T04:02:56Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > She’s not complaining about it. Pretty much the definition of a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1087 "2009-07-21T04:09:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You applied for SSDI, correct? Then you asked for some of the taxpayer’s money. Why is OK to grill **Guin** about her situation but not you under those circumstances? > > If you don’t want to be asked questions then give the money back and be an independent human being. Look hon, just because you are personally insulted by the fact that I resent having to support every other person with a sob story doesn’t mean that you can continue to make up stories to suit your bias. No matter what you want to call it, the SS I am getting is money I paid into the system for almost 40 years and now I need it back. That is _far_ different than demanding that we levy yet another tax to create yet another government handout so that people can be personally responsible for yet another thing. Do you also bitch at retirees that take their social security payments when they are financially comfortable without them? As for “grilling” **Guin** , what you quoted was obviously about **Bridget Burke** , so do stop trying to get support for your rants by pretending that I’m “grilling” some poor sick person. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1088 "2009-07-21T04:10:53Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No matter what you want to call it, the SS I am getting is money I paid into the system for almost 40 years and now I need it back. No, it isn’t. You paid in far less than you’re getting out. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1089 "2009-07-21T04:11:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You’ve always made this claim but you’ve never quite figured out what those really important things are, have you? Since I’ve posted about them several times in other threads, obviously you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1090 "2009-07-21T04:13:30Z")
Psst, hey guys, if we keep saying things to her while she’s catching up, maybe we can keep her replying forever! Tee hee. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1091 "2009-07-21T04:20:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Since I’ve posted about them several times in other threads, obviously you are wrong. Then you won’t mind showing me one of those threads, will you? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1092 "2009-07-21T04:34:15Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Huh. I wasn’t aware that being too disabled to work was a decision one could just make whenever one felt like it. Except, that seems to be what you accuse everyone else of doing. It’s okay for YOU to accept disability…but not for anyone else. It’s okay for YOU to scrutinize every little detail of my “story” (or whatever)…but heaven forbid we do your’s…right? Hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1093 "2009-07-21T04:44:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Or even better, did they run up a bunch of bills for IVF and then are “surprised” that the resulting pregnancy?/kid isn’t exactly healthy? Since embryos are genetically screened before implantation, a child conceived through IVF is less likely to have a genetic illness than one conceived through intercourse. Argument from ignorance doesn’t serve any purpose. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Despite what she claims (keep in mind she’s a proven liar), a reasonable assumption is that she’s currently on Medicaid. Being that Guin is a single person without children who is not classified as disabled, she is **not** on Medicaid because she does not meet the eligibility requirements for it in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. You can find those requirements for yourself with a simple Google search. > [@An\_Arky](#): > > I’m thinking UHC is too much too soon. We should start by providing wellness care for children, then step it up to UHC for children, then take lessons learned and provide a spectrum of public/private options for a hybrid form of UHC. Providing care for children while their parents can’t get care, can’t leave jobs, can’t start businesses, etc. doesn’t seem to be a reasonable approach at all. Lack of care for children bankrupts families but lack of care for adults affects the entirety of our economy. > [@curlcoat](#): > > you generally find out that the bottom line with these folks is that they made choices that were counter to being responsible for oneself Yes, childhood cancers are entirely irresponsible. Diabetes is entirely irresponsible. I personally could have surely done something to avoid developing two autoimmune disorders. Wishing harder, I suppose. > [@curlcoat](#): > > Huh. I wasn’t aware that being too disabled to work was a decision one could just make whenever one felt like it. And yet, according to you, developing a condition that will prevent one from being able to get health insurance _is_ a decision one can make whenever one feels like it, or is, at least, more in one’s control, somehow, than becoming disabled. I would say that this is ironic, but it’s not, it’s just illogical. Beyond illogical unto hypocritical. And plainly stupid. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1094 "2009-07-21T05:32:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Your behaviour and stated beliefs in this thread fit the Orange Curtain stereotype to a T. I worked there for a decade, and worked with people like you every day. And I lived in your area for 35 years and am well aware of how narrow-minded most of the people are up there. Trying to stuff people into slots was one of the favorite pastimes, among other things. Any wonder I left? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1095 "2009-07-21T05:37:24Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And I lived in your area for 35 years and am well aware of how narrow-minded most of the people are up there. Trying to stuff people into slots was one of the favorite pastimes, among other things. Any wonder I left? You do realize that you just did to him what you’re claiming he did to you, right? More egregiously hilarious hypocrisy from you. You never disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1096 "2009-07-21T05:54:04Z")
You’ve got it backward. I found it was the OC people who were the ones who wouldn’t think out of the box. They, as you have demonstrated in this thread more times than I’m willing to count, would not go beyond their ‘God And Country’ beliefs; nor even entertain the idea that the world is a bigger place than Laguna Niguel or Newport Beach or Irvine. I was at a party in Newport Beach once. There was a girl there I thought I wanted to know, so I asked a friend about her. He said, ‘Well, let me put it this way: It’s a good thing you drive a Porsche.’ Instant turn-off. And when I started working down there, I found that this type of person was more prevalent than I encountered in L.A. Why should anyone care what kind of car I drove? Everything was about money. My coworkers knew the price of everything and the value of nothing. It was disgusting. But L.A./Orange County rivalries really don’t have anything to do with your refusal to provide any evidence at all to back up the claims you’ve made in this thread (which has been pointed out several times by others), nor why you completely ignore the supporting evidence that shows your position is factually wrong. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1097 "2009-07-21T06:32:59Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Got any cites? No, I didn’t think so, so this sort of bullshit will be given the consideration it deserves-- none. It seems like with all the press that California’s money woes has been getting, you would have a clue about this. However, from the first page of a Google search - [this](http://24ahead.com/george-skelton-illegal-aliens-are-drain-california-so-lets-l) from a somewhat biased site (to the other side) Or [this](http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1940770/california_activist_push_ballot_initiative.html?cat=9) one, which appears to be even more biased towards continuing to support illegals. Then there is [this](http://www.therealitycheck.org/StaffWriter/Illegal_ImmigrationFS.html) one, which is anti illegals. > [@](#): > > That is not what this thread is about. Actually, it has quite a bit to do with it since children who grow up in households where it is expected that the government will support them tend to repeat that “lifestyle”. At some point, we should try to break that chain of dependency. > [@](#): > > We had an 8 billion page trainwreck about this already and no sane person wants to go there with you again. You were asked a direct question: what do you propose we should do differently for children who need medical care but whose parents are not insured? Please be as specific as possible. Try to keep your argument fact-based, not solely based on anecdotes that we’ll have to take your word for. Debate doesn’t work like that. Of course, I’m not holding my breath. Well, aside from the fact that you aren’t debating at all, I went thru all of that in that thread that you mention right there. Go look. > [@](#): > > 100 families? Wow, [you couldn’t be more wrong about that](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/american_journal_of_medicine_09.pdf). Warning: pdf. According to a study from the American Journal of Medicine, 62% of bankruptcy were medical; 92% had debts over $5000 or 10% of pretax income. Before you accuse them of being shiftless losers, the study also says that most of these debtors were well-educated, middle class, and had to mortgage their homes due to illness. Does this sound like a system that is working to you? You should try reading the thread before you stick your oar in - the 100 families was an example, put forth by someone else. As for your study, it was a rather small sample and was skewed from the beginning in that they started out by only looking at people that claim medical expenses as to why they were filing for bankruptcy. I don’t know anything about those laws, but it is quite possible that there are only a few reasons that folks are allowed to use, medical expenses being one of them. And I rather doubt “I had to buy an SUV with that $10,000” is a reason that is acceptable. > [@](#): > > You say that like it’s a bad thing-- all people in this country SHOULD have the same coverage no matter what their financial situation is. Yes, I think that’s true. Just like I think no one in this country should have to go hungry, or go without clean drinking water. People who don’t think this hold views that I consider to be inhumane. So how many things to you want to be absolutely equal, that you demand others pay for? You want the taxpayer to pay to feed everyone, make sure that everyone can get clean drinking water, and go to the doctor whenever they feel like it. We also have subsidized housing, schooling, transportation and the list goes on. Does it occur to you that the ability of the taxpayer to pay for these things isn’t infinite? > [@](#): > > Explain to whom? To you? To Crafter\_Man and Carol Stream and leander? To anyone they are demanding pay for it. Which includes me, and most likely **Crafter\_Man** , **Carol Stream** and **leander**. If you want to volunteer a chunk of your income to pay for healthcare for all, that is certainly your right. Why do you not allow us that same right? > [@](#): > > It could work here too, Prove it. Which means doing something other than pointing at another country and saying “see, it works there”. > [@](#): > > if people weren’t so obsessed with someone else getting something for free that they don’t care about the health and welfare of other Americans. You cling to deliberately distorted views of people who struggle with obtaining health insurance or with paying medical bills, in spite of ample cites and facts provided to you. You don’t WANT to admit that you’re wrong, but you are. You all sound like a bunch of toddlers: “MINE!” And you cling to the idea that those opposing a UHC are greedy wealthy people who walk on poor people on the way to their limos. Those folks will most likely not be affected by a UHC, but the disappearing middle class will. Particularly since the boomers are retiring and will be on fixed incomes - they simply will not be able to afford to eat more in taxes and/or go elsewhere should the government provided doctors and hospitals turn out to be less than wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1098 "2009-07-21T06:35:32Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > The funniest thing about **Curlcoat** is her selective libertarian approach. She thinks she deserves to be cared for for the rest of her life now that she is unable to work. In otherwords we should have socialized medicine for her but for nobody else. How you manage to be so wrong is beyond me. 1. I am not libertarian, selective or not. 2. Whether or not I deserve to be cared for for the rest of my life is immaterial since that is my husband’s responsibility, not yours. 3. I do not have socialized medicine. We have a PPO/HMO hybrid plan thru my husband’s employer. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1099 "2009-07-21T06:45:00Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > But you’re right. **Curlcoat** says it would “make more sense to work on insurance reform”. What, pray tell, \*are \* they working on if they aren’t working on _insurance reform_? Shoving a one size fits all plan down all our throats, while giving us the “privilege” of paying for all the people who can’t afford insurance now but still don’t qualify for Medicaid. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1100 "2009-07-21T06:49:26Z")
> [@An\_Arky](#): > > Too bad a bunch of spoiled, overgrown children are the primary impediment to making sure real children don’t die. How about you all quit supporting people who have children in conditions where they are likely to die, unless the government intervenes? How about you all quit glorifiying pregnancy and babies? And quit thinking it’s just fine for teenagers and the un-hitched to have kids? Why do you think all of these children are in such bad shape to begin with? :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=54) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=56)