# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1101 "2009-07-21T06:51:37Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Shoving a one size fits all plan down all our throats, while giving us the “privilege” of paying for all the people who can’t afford insurance now but still don’t qualify for Medicaid. I hope you look good, because you’re the possessor of a powerful stupid. The current plan isn’t one size fits all. It’s exactly like it is now, except insurance companies can’t deny anyone coverage because of a pre-existing conditions. If you like your current coverage, you’ll be able to keep it. The current plan is to allow an optional public health insurance plan for those that want to buy in. Ya dig? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1102 "2009-07-21T06:53:45Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Why is that my problem? My taxes aren’t going up. It is only your problem if you demand that I pay more taxes to support your lifestyle choices. Your taxes aren’t going up? How did you manage that? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1103 "2009-07-21T06:55:23Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Wait. Aren’t you the silly bitch that was on public assistance? No, I have never been on public assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1104 "2009-07-21T06:56:40Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > How about you all quit supporting people who have children in conditions where they are likely to die, unless the government intervenes? How about you all quit glorifiying pregnancy and babies? And quit thinking it’s just fine for teenagers and the un-hitched to have kids? Why do you think all of these children are in such bad shape to begin with? > > :rolleyes: Again stupid, the current plan will allow free abortions. So that’s a step in the right direction for you isn’t it? It’s amazing how your arguments are simply random things you’ve stupidly imagined because you’re too lazy to actually do research. Seriously, your husband is a saint. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1105 "2009-07-21T06:57:46Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, I have never been on public assistance. Sorry for casting aspersions. You’re the silly bitch who has never been on public assistance. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1106 "2009-07-21T07:00:11Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > You “generally find” that, do you? > > Where do you “generally find” it? Show me some figures that correlates these bad choices with problems affording health care. Give me a breakdown of the circumstances of people who declare bankruptcy due to health-related costs. Or does “generally find” mean “talking out my ass about something i don’t have a clue about”?Even if the current proposals on the table don’t improve health care in the US very much, if they make assholes like you more unhappy, they will at least have served some purpose. Hey, there’s a good reason to create a multi-billion dollar experiement - to piss someone off! :rolleyes: As for the rest of that, the cite is in the “insurance poopy-heads” thread, and has been mentioned here as well. Go look for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1107 "2009-07-21T07:01:50Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It is only your problem if you demand that I pay more taxes to support your lifestyle choices. > > Your taxes aren’t going up? How did you manage that? The current proposal, which is likely to change, is that a tax could be levied on those who make more than 300k per year. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1108 "2009-07-21T07:08:43Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > You were already given a cite that says that 62% of bankruptcies in 2007 were for health care, And you have already been given a cite that says, at least in one state, the vast majority of the bankruptcies are caused by credit card debt. Since a sudden health care issue can be the last straw for people living hand to mouth, but it usually takes awhile to build up serious credit card debt, why is it so hard for you to accept that these folks with the health care issues may not have been at all responsible? So what if they could buy a house? Up until recently my cat could have purchased a house! Do you think the cat would be able to make the payments? Or try this one - since we don’t charge on our cards very often, if hubby and I had a big medical bill, we could charge over $10,000 between my Mastercard and his VISA, which doesn’t even count his Amex, or our savings. Is it now unfashionable to have those sorts of reserves in case of a problem? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1109 "2009-07-21T07:09:47Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > If they present figures that don’t accord with you own head-in-your-ass conclusions, they must be biased, right? And it’s totally not possible that might apply to you? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1110 "2009-07-21T07:13:12Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I cannot fathom how any actual person can be this willfully ignorant in the face of many posts and people going “HELLO? You’re wrong. Here’s proof right here.” Which is kind of how I feel about you all. How can you keep ignoring my cites, history, what is going on in the world? Do you just get your views from Faux News? Did you never learn analytical thinking? The truth about statistics? I feel like I’m surrounded by children, particularly those that just jump right into the playground name calling. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1111 "2009-07-21T07:14:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > No, it isn’t. You paid in far less than you’re getting out. You know that how? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1112 "2009-07-21T07:15:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Then you won’t mind showing me one of those threads, will you? Try quoting a bit more of what you are talking about and I’ll know what it is you are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1113 "2009-07-21T07:16:55Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > How you manage to be so wrong is beyond me. > > 1. I am not libertarian, selective or not. > > 2. Whether or not I deserve to be cared for for the rest of my life is immaterial since that is my husband’s responsibility, not yours. > > 3. I do not have socialized medicine. We have a PPO/HMO hybrid plan thru my husband’s employer. It is our responsibility to make sure you are cared for. That’s sort of the point of any type of social structure. That’s what humans do. We get together and look out for each other, because if we don’t we all die. Even the hermit who lives at the top of a mountain in the deepest wilderness you can imagine is benefited by society. Even the CEO of a corporation that made a trillion dollar profit benefits from society. That’s the part of the deal rich people are trying to get a takeback on. The deal was “we do the work you don’t want to do while you live in wealth and are free from regular everyday concerns, and in return you look after our well being and provide some stability for us.” What’s happening instead is that the rich people keep their lifestyle and freedom while they steal money from pension funds, lay off 10% of their work force, reduce wages, bust up organized labor movements, and influence the government to reduce oversights, allowing for the biggest gap between rich and poor among all of the free countries of the world. I do not give a fuck that your taxes are going to go up. We have given you everything you have, laboring for you and trading our freedom for a promise you have broken. I don’t want to hear the tiniest little fucking peep out of you that we’re taking back some of the money you stole from us by preventing us from negotiating on fair terms, sometimes going as far as using the fucking military to force us back to work. You exist because we allow you to. Now fucking pay up, and get back to your golf course, you fucking whiners. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1114 "2009-07-21T07:18:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Except, that seems to be what you accuse everyone else of doing. It’s okay for YOU to accept disability…but not for anyone else. It’s okay for YOU to scrutinize every little detail of my “story” (or whatever)…but heaven forbid we do your’s…right? > > Hmmmm… Honey, I haven’t addressed your “story” at all. I believe the closest I have come is to respond to someone who was responding to someone who was responding to you. However, I couldn’t care less if you want to “scrutinize” me. Unlike most folks in here, I have nothing to hide and am not defensive about my life. I have never said that it is not okay for anyone to get disability. Unlike welfare, you have to go thru quite a bit to qualify for it, and if you are of any age, you probably paid into it. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1115 "2009-07-21T10:14:57Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > Being that Guin is a single person without children who is not classified as disabled, she is **not** on Medicaid because she does not meet the eligibility requirements for it in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. You can find those requirements for yourself with a simple Google search. But two years ago she admitted she was on Medicaid. How did she qualify? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1116 "2009-07-21T10:22:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > But this guy was implying that it a priviledge to be healthy at all. If I have a “right” to be healthy, and I am not healthy, who should I sue? 99.99% of things in your life are privileges. You have very few rights. Furthermore, rights are (generally) things you do not have to pay for. If I had a right to healthcare, why am I currently paying for it? Healthcare is not - and should not - be a “right.” You may as well say, “I have a right to a portion of someone else’s property.” ---
**Author:** ![SmashTheState](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@SmashTheState](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmashTheState)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1117 "2009-07-21T10:41:48Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > If I have a “right” to be healthy, and I am not healthy, who should I sue? > > 99.99% of things in your life are privileges. You have very few rights. Furthermore, rights are (generally) things you do not have to pay for. If I had a right to healthcare, why am I currently paying for it? Healthcare is not - and should not - be a “right.” You may as well say, “I have a right to a portion of someone else’s property.” I love people like you. Once upon a time, the rich were canny and ruthless. When their excesses finally got to the point where enough people were angry enough to pick up weapons and do something about it, they quickly threw support behind the New Deal to cut off the legs of the growing revolutionary movement. Fortunately, folks like you and Dubya are now in charge, and you’re too stupid to understand that you’re piling cordwood on the fire which will incinerate you. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are the two richest men on Earth, and they both voluntarily gave up a significant portion of their wealth. Why? These are not stupid men, and they are certainly far from generous or kind. They are, however, exceedingly intelligent, and they both can see that the rich have taken too much, too quickly. There are, once again, enough desperate and disenfranchised lumpen proles to threaten the stability of the system which keeps them on top of the dogpile. I sure hope their efforts aren’t enough to deflect the effets of folks like you and Rand Rover. Your short-sighted, sociopathic, triumphalist crowing and preening is exactly what we need to stir revolutionary spirit in the hearts of enough people to get this revolution going. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1118 "2009-07-21T11:07:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And you have already been given a cite that says, at least in one state, the vast majority of the bankruptcies are caused by credit card debt. Since a sudden health care issue can be the last straw for people living hand to mouth, but it usually takes awhile to build up serious credit card debt, why is it so hard for you to accept that these folks with the health care issues may not have been at all responsible? So what if they could buy a house? Up until recently my cat could have purchased a house! Do you think the cat would be able to make the payments? > > Or try this one - since we don’t charge on our cards very often, if hubby and I had a big medical bill, we could charge over $10,000 between my Mastercard and his VISA, which doesn’t even count his Amex, or our savings. Is it now unfashionable to have those sorts of reserves in case of a problem? Ten whole grand? My appendectomy in 2005 cost $26,000. I had health insurance that I was paying for out of pocket while looking for a job that had benefits (which I got three months later), and I still had to pay $8000. Sadly, had my appendix waited three months to burst, I would have paid the $50 ER copay and that’s it. Gotta love government jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1119 "2009-07-21T11:09:38Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It is only your problem if you demand that I pay more taxes to support your lifestyle choices. Why should I care if your taxes go up? You don’t give a fig about my priorities, why should I care about yours? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1120 "2009-07-21T11:16:36Z")
Thanks to all that replied regarding my circumstances. I’ve always wondered when reading these discussions how someone like me would fair. I was somewhat surprised to see that if I had an employee based insurance scheme that, after a certain amount of time, they would probably start paying for my insulin. But don’t worry, I’m not actually moving to the US. I was just interested. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=57)