# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1121 "2009-07-21T12:28:53Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And you have already been given a cite that says, at least in one state, the vast majority of the bankruptcies are caused by credit card debt. … > > Or try this one - since we don’t charge on our cards very often, if hubby and I had a big medical bill, we could charge over $10,000 between my Mastercard and his VISA, which doesn’t even count his Amex, or our savings. Is it now unfashionable to have those sorts of reserves in case of a problem? And this too has already been explained to you-- credit card debt and medical care debt could be one and the same. Do you know what an ER visit for multiple broken bones and internal injuries would cost? What about cancer treatments? Do you think $10,000 would cover that? Imagine you had to charge your chemo and radiation on your multiple credit cards, maxing them all out. Then, guess what? You have to declare bankruptcy for your credit card debt, which you have because of… wait for it… your medical bills, and all the other things you had to charge because you were too sick to work while you were receiving your medical care. But no, it MUST be because those people were buying SUV’s, or having illegitimate babies, or whatever, right? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1122 "2009-07-21T12:43:44Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > What led up to their being unable to buy anything but very expensive private policies? In my husband’s case, something went awry seven months before he was born, resulting in a birth defect. I fail to see how that is in any way his fault or something he could have prevented. > [@](#): > > Are they complaining that they have to stay in a job they hate in order to hold onto a group policy that will cover them? No, largely his complaint is that no one will hire him and that he is, at this point, incapable of working. > [@](#): > > Were they born with expensive health issues that their parents feel the taxpayer should cover? Even if he was, how is that his fault? What does my husband’s parents have to do with his current situation, now that he is in his 50’s? > [@](#): > > See, if you ignore all of the touchy feely stuff and start looking at the back stories and the facts, you generally find out that the bottom line with these folks is that they made choices that were counter to being responsible for oneself. :rolleyes: Right, my husband _chose_ to have spina bifida :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Such as ditching a “boring” job that had group coverage or deciding that getting pregnant at 16 sounded like a good idea. Well, my husband was certainly _never_ pregnant at any age! > [@](#): > > And I am getting very tired of supporting every person that demands that I do so. You don’t support anyone, you selfish piece of nasty, _you’re on social security disability_. You don’t even support _yourself_. YOU are supported by OTHER PEOPLE, including TAXPAYERS! **You** are one of the very people you say you despise. Must suck to be you. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1123 "2009-07-21T12:57:26Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I imagine that Arizona and Texas do not provide a mess of programs to illegals - California does. Prove this statement or STFU. What you “imagine” has no relationship to reality that I can see. I want to talk about facts, not your delusions. > [@](#): > > I am extremely happy here, but due to all of the welfare programs and the S/N and BSL laws, we will probably be forced out of here. No, you’re not happy. You’re one of the most unhappy people on this board. Poor little rich girl, those mean poor people sucking on the public titty even as you collect YOUR government check. Why, if that keeps up maybe there won’t be enough to go around and _\>gasp!\<_ YOU might get a smaller check, too! Is that what you’re afraid of? Even though you apparently have other resources, unlike many who would be left completely destitute. You whine that your circumstances were beyond your control yet you won’t even consider that the same happens to others. I mention families in my area who were hit by a tornado and you say something along the lines of tornados don’t happen in Southern California - so I guess they don’t exist in the Midwest? Maybe the rest of us disbelieve in earthquakes, mudslides, and brush fires, then? It’s all about you, your world, your twisted beliefs - bad things can happen to YOU out of the blue, but if someone else gets hit by a rock falling out of the sky then it’s all their own fault. But really, it’s the hypocrisy of saying how people taking taxpayer money are causing the end of the world and you yourself taking a government benefit supported by tax money without a trace of understanding what a slime filled hypocrite you are that makes me want to vomit. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1124 "2009-07-21T12:58:25Z")
I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real conditions that merit a sympathetic view of universal healthcare, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as \*\*Guin \*\*are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like \*\*Guin \*\*exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1125 "2009-07-21T13:01:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > When you turn 62 or 65 or whatever age you decide to retire, are you going to turn down your Social Security? I’m hoping to work until at least 70, ideally 75 or 80. And yes, if the program still exists I most certainly do expect to collect, and why shouldn’t I? **I** have no objections to funding social programs and it would not be in the least hypocritical of me to collect from one. Actually, I rather admire a woman I know who will turn 100 in November and still works full time as an airport manager in Tennessee… but realistically I know I can’t plan to be that healthy and energetic at that age, there’s an element of luck there. I sure would like to be, though! If I could find fulfilling work I can do at 100 I surely would like to do it. Sure beats sitting at home waiting to die. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1126 "2009-07-21T13:09:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Look hon, just because you are personally insulted by the fact that I resent having to support every other person with a sob story doesn’t mean that you can continue to make up stories to suit your bias. No, I’m not _insulted_ by you, I’m _disgusted_ by you. > [@](#): > > No matter what you want to call it, the SS I am getting is money I paid into the system for almost 40 years and now I need it back. Really? You will starve without it? You’ve mentioned retirement funds and a husband in the past so presumably not. No, you don’t actually _need_ the money, though yes, you are _entitled_ to the money. You don’t _need_ that money nearly as much as some of the people you loathe and despise need their benefits just to survive. > [@](#): > > Do you also bitch at retirees that take their social security payments when they are financially comfortable without them? No - why would I? If someone qualifies for a government program why would I object to them taking advantage of it? All these people you are bitching about qualify for their programs just as much as you qualify for SSDI. Now, if you don’t like the _program_ then bitch about _that_ - but don’t attack people who qualify for it. YOU are the one bitching about people who legitimately qualify for a government program actually using that program. Which I find terribly ironic seeing as you yourself take advantage of government money. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1127 "2009-07-21T13:19:47Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real conditions that merit a sympathetic view of universal healthcare, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as \*\*Guin \*\*are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like \*\*Guin \*\*exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. No–the problem is heard-hearted bastards like you who wish people like **Guin** into non-existence. She has real health problems & is now living with her parents, who support her. She helps at home & with their funeral home–what fun! None of your precious tax dollars are going her way. She does need good health insurance & I hope she gets it. And that she gets meaningful employment–not the crap job that **Crafter\_Man** was suggesting. (Since he’s so worried about all that tax money he’s paying, perhaps he needs to get a better job. Or a second job! If he isn’t earning enough money it’s obviously his fault.) \*\*curlcoat \*\*has finally convinced the Feds that her nebulous problems are real enough to get disability money from SS. Good for her! Now she needs to stop saying her husband is supporting her–he’s got help. From all of us still paying into SS. (She did say she got some kind of temporary help from the State at some point but did not elaborate.) Disregarding the nebulous details of her “health problems”–I’m happy that she’s not making any co-workers miserable. For their sake, I don’t begrudge my share. And she needs to stop bitching about “her” taxes. She isn’t paying any. And she doesn’t vote, either. She’s given up & retired from life. Not housebound & not bed ridden–perhaps her attitude will improve. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1128 "2009-07-21T13:29:59Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Actually, it has quite a bit to do with it since children who grow up in households where it is expected that the government will support them tend to repeat that “lifestyle”. At some point, we should try to break that chain of dependency. Yes, that is, for example, a reason we have public schools open to all regardless of income, so such children can get the education their deadbeat parents wouldn’t give them on their own. Likewise, it makes sense to make sure those children also have the care they need remain healthy, as healthy workers are more likely to be _able_ to work and pay taxes to support our society - unlike disabled people, something you have personal experience with, yes? > [@](#): > > I don’t know anything about those laws, but it is quite possible that there are only a few reasons that folks are allowed to use, medical expenses being one of them. Well, then, maybe you should educate yourself about those laws prior to opening your mouth in a discussion about bankruptcy and proving yourself to be an ignorant tool. No, “medical expenses” is not the only reason you can declare bankruptcy. > [@](#): > > And I rather doubt “I had to buy an SUV with that $10,000” is a reason that is acceptable. You can buy an SUV for $10K? Where? What planet? Actually, if someone requires a fairly sophisticated wheelchair to get around they may not be able to use a normal car. Quadriplegics, for example, pretty much have to be transported in vans, there’s just no way to get them and their support equipment into a sub-compact. Of course, you couldn’t possibly comprehend that someone else’s circumstances may be different than yours, or they may have legitimate needs you don’t. > [@](#): > > You want the taxpayer to pay to feed everyone, Yes, because it causes me great emotional distress to watch someone starve to death. > [@](#): > > make sure that everyone can get clean drinking water Absolutely. You see, water-borne diseases such as typhoid and cholera and various diarrhea-inducing maladies can spread to those of us with money to take care of ourselves, not to mention the stench of rotting corpses in the gutters being soooooo distasteful, so enlightened self-interest dictates that even the poor and scum-like should have clean water to drink, if only to safeguard the health of the wealthy. Unless, of course, you’re a normal human being who simply understands that it is more humane to help one’s fellow citizens drink clean water. > [@](#): > > We also have subsidized housing Sure. Cause, personally, I don’t want to have to walk past any more corpsicles on my way to somewhere else ever again. Oh, wait - people don’t freeze to death in Southern California, so I guess that doesn’t happen anywhere… carry on. > [@](#): > > schooling Yes, because educating children whose parents are too stupid or neglectful to see the importance of educating their children gives those children their best shot at making them independent, self-supporting, tax-paying citizens. K-12 public schooling is cheaper than a lifetime on the dole or in prison. I’m sorry you don’t have the intellect to comprehend the utility of that. > [@](#): > > transportation You know, even in Chicago the well-to-do take advantage of subsidized mass transit. Even the poor use the roads. Hey, wait a minute - you’ve been on roads, too, you’re even a driver, right? Yet again, you take advantage of something that is supported in part by tax dollars (transportation) and then criticize others for doing so. Tell me, is it hard work being such a hypocrite? Did you have to practice a lot before you got it down this good? and the list goes on. Does it occur to you that the ability of the taxpayer to pay for these things isn’t infinite? > [@](#): > > To anyone they are demanding pay for it. Which includes me, and most likely **Crafter\_Man** , **Carol Stream** and **leander**. If you want to volunteer a chunk of your income to pay for healthcare for all, that is certainly your right. Why do you not allow us that same right? Well, sure, we’ll give you the right to give “a chunk of your income to pay for healthcare for all”, in fact, that is _exactly_ what we want! 😃 > [@](#): > > Prove it. Which means doing something other than pointing at another country and saying “see, it works there”. It’s not just ONE other country, it’s a LOT of other countries - UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Australia… bunches more. In fact, by NOT having UHC we get lumped in with such attractive places as China, India, um… let’s see… Zimbabwe, Somalia… > [@](#): > > Particularly since the boomers are retiring and will be on fixed incomes - they simply will not be able to afford to eat more in taxes and/or go elsewhere should the government provided doctors and hospitals turn out to be less than wonderful. Retiring boomers will be going onto MEDICARE which is _already_ UHC for those over 65. And you know what? It’s working so well it would be political suicide to get rid of it at this point. Why is it OK for everyone over 65 to have a UHC in this country, but not anyone under 65? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1129 "2009-07-21T13:33:39Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, I have never been on public assistance. Right… you just take the money of taxpayers in the form of social security… That’s not a government benefit program - oh, wait, yes it is! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1130 "2009-07-21T13:35:00Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > The current proposal, which is likely to change, is that a tax could be levied on those who make more than 300k per year. Well, then, **curlcoat** has nothing to bitch about, as she is disabled and thus makes no money a year, right? Well, she gets social security checks, of course, but that’s nowhere near $300k a year so, again, no worries, right? ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1131 "2009-07-21T13:36:18Z")
> [@leander](#): > > And so long as people like \*\*Guin \*\*exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. For any system, there are going to be people who learn how to “game” it. There are plenty of books on “what day to go to Disney World to get the shortest lines” to “how to play the stock market” to “how to study for the LSAT”. Some of these things are, obviously, more egregious than others. The thinking person regards all that as “noise” in the system. It’s unavoidable, although efforts to minimize it are a must. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1132 "2009-07-21T13:39:09Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Right… you just take the money of taxpayers in the form of social security… That’s not a government benefit program - oh, wait, yes it is! **curlcoat** is apparently under the impression that the SS she is drawing now is going to equal the amount she put in. She doesn’t grasp the fact that over time she can easily draw more than she had paid in. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1133 "2009-07-21T14:12:33Z")
All I know is that there is pretty much nothing that entertains me more than an unemployed, Social Security/Disability collecting, Orange County housewife complaining about poor people taking all her money. I’m just surprised she has the time to contribute here at all in between nail appointments and bon-bon jags. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1134 "2009-07-21T14:14:22Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > That’s the part of the deal rich people are trying to get a takeback on. The deal was “we do the work you don’t want to do while you live in wealth and are free from regular everyday concerns, and in return you look after our well being and provide some stability for us.” What’s happening instead is that the rich people keep their lifestyle and freedom while they steal money from pension funds, lay off 10% of their work force, reduce wages, bust up organized labor movements, and influence the government to reduce oversights, allowing for the biggest gap between rich and poor among all of the free countries of the world. > > I do not give a fuck that your taxes are going to go up. We have given you everything you have, laboring for you and trading our freedom for a promise you have broken. I don’t want to hear the tiniest little fucking peep out of you that we’re taking back some of the money you stole from us by preventing us from negotiating on fair terms, sometimes going as far as using the fucking military to force us back to work. > > You exist because we allow you to. Now fucking pay up, and get back to your golf course, you fucking whiners. The thing is, I seriously doubt **curlcoat** is any richer than upper middle class. I hear a lot of middle class people who are the victims of the sort of behavior you describe, bitching and moaning about all the poor rich people. It’s like some weird variation of Stockholm Syndrome. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1135 "2009-07-21T14:43:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was asking a question to **Rubystreak** about what she said. I even quoted it, dumbshit. Your post to me is out of the blue, has no bearing on anything I’ve said. Congratulations on your climb to the upper nethers of the OneDumbFuck totem pole. Shockingly, on a message board, sometimes other people comment on the posts you’ve directed to a single person. I know it’s tough when the hoi polloi point out that you’re being a fucking retard, but that’s a cross you’ll just have to bear. Since apparently your poor mother was a syphilis-ridden whore who passed her shame down to you in congentital form, thereby cursing you with this all-too-evident developmental disability, let me spell it out for you more clearly. You asked whether there was not a similar situation with health care as with food, in terms of what is provided to the poor versus what the rich may obtain for themselves. The poor are, theoretically, provided with such food as will keep them healthy, in terms of nutritional content and quantity. So, presumably, they should also be provided with such health care as will keep them healthy. The caviar and champage of food would then be equated to breast augmentation surgery. Now, I hadn’t seen anyone in the thread argue for giving people free access to absolutely any remotely medical procedure their little hearts desire, so I was curiuos as to exactly what orifice you’d pulled your bizarre question from, since clearly it couldn’t be in response to anyone here. If you’re still having problems with comprehension, let me know. I could probably whip up a diagram–my ASCII boobs are pretty hot: (.)(.) > [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d just like to say that I picture you saying this to him while sitting cross-legged on the top of the pole. Psssst. “Saying this to **her**.” ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1136 "2009-07-21T15:32:44Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > **curlcoat** is apparently under the impression that the SS she is drawing now is going to equal the amount she put in. She doesn’t grasp the fact that over time she can easily draw more than she had paid in. Or even that the money she put in is now long gone and never existed in a vacuum for her and her alone. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1137 "2009-07-21T16:05:32Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real conditions that merit a sympathetic view of universal healthcare, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as \*\*Guin \*\*are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like \*\*Guin \*\*exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. I don’t see how Guin is a con artist or a scammer. The only time she received Medicaid was for one emergency hospital visit. They covered her bills, which were probably quite expensive, and that’s it. Other than that, her parents support her or she supports herself. They are apparently paying out of pocket for her meds. Where you’re getting this idea that she’s some welfare queen committing fraud I don’t know. And frankly, I don’t care. I’m not an internet detective with nothing better to do that figure out who’s lying about having epilepsy or their job status. I’m not sure why you give so much of a fuck either, frankly. You seem to get off on stalking the objects you deem worthy of scorn, which doesn’t make you someone who is worthy of respect either. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1138 "2009-07-21T16:35:45Z")
I hear that OBama is going to give an press conference on the **Guinastasia** Issue that is roiling the public discourse. Perhaps then this crucial issue may be resolved. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1139 "2009-07-21T16:36:48Z")
Oh boy, I just now saw the part where **curlcoat** claimed that her $10k of credit card limit is an excellent “reserve” in case she ever has a big medical emergency. HAW, HAW, HAW! First of all, the idea that having a high credit card limit is a good “reserve” for emergencies, and second, the idea that $10k would likely cover a major medical emergency. Pardon me… I have to find something to wipe my eyes, I’m laughing so hard. Hee! Also, you people who stalk **Guinastasia** and know every tiny detail that she has ever posted here are kind of creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1140 "2009-07-21T16:38:18Z")
> [@leander](#): > > I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real conditions that merit a sympathetic view of universal healthcare, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as \*\*Guin \*\*are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like \*\*Guin \*\*exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. I think one of the main disconnects here is that you have some people on one side arguing that there are certain real cases of rape that merit a sympathetic view of universal access to law enforcement investigation of such charges, and others who are suggesting that liars and fraudsters such as women who use accusations of rape to punish someone they don’t like are making it impossible to judge who is entitled and who is not. And so long as people like those women exist it will be very, very hard to judge whether such a system is worth the risk of conartists abusing it even when there are so many people who are well deserving. (In case you’re obtuse, the point was that potential abuse of a system is not a good argument against having the system.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=58)