# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1221 "2009-07-22T11:00:00Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I have to say I am really, thoroughly impressed by the depths of curlcoat’s idiocy/delusion. > > Is it really possible to be so unaware of what SS is in this day and age? Apparently. Lots of people think there is an “SS fund” out there with their name on it. Little do they know that, after a couple years, they are being supported by taxpayers. (Actually, they are \*always \*being supported by taxpayers. But I suppose you could take into account how much they paid into the system.) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1222 "2009-07-22T11:04:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > See, that’s the difference between you and me - actually, unfortunately the difference between me and apparently a majority of those living in the US. I plan ahead and know what we will need to have a hope to have a comfortable future. So, no, I don’t need that money _right now_, but since I can no longer contribute to a 401K at work or get a pension from an employer, I am taking my social security early so we don’t have to touch any of the assets we are counting on to fund our retirement in order to pay bills now. So… let me get this straight… You bitch about people who are “undeserving” getting taxpayer’s money even when hey are _desperately_ in need and how important it is to be responsible and take care of yourself… but _YOU_ don’t _need_ your taxpayer-derived money (SSDI) yet you are proudly taking it so you don’t have to touch your assets? You _can_ take care of yourself yet you insist other do so? What a selfish, miserly, low-down sub-scum form of life you are! > [@](#): > > I also have no idea how long I will live - I may not make it to 65. I should leave my husband in debt just because you think it’s disgusting that I am getting SSDI? But if you were _responsible_ you’d have enough money to take care of yourself without needing taxpayer money and without leaving your husband in debt, right? So by your own definition you are one of those irresponsible people. You should have planned better so there would be no chance of you leaving your husband or anyone in debt, right? And let me make this absolutely clear: I am NOT disgusted with the fact you receive SSDI, and I am disgusted with **YOU** , you sick, nasty, twisted, heartless, hypocritical pile of stinking crap. > [@](#): > > You still cannot come up with a real life scenario where a person or couple who do not qualify for Medicaid are unable to afford private insurance, without there having been irresponsibility themselves or if they are young, their parents. Bullshit. Numerous examples have been given in this thread. What it comes down to is that you will accept nothing outside of your narrow, bigoted world view. You are one very cruel, evil, alleged human being. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1223 "2009-07-22T11:07:05Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > OK, the latest I’m seeing against UHC is that is is a “States rights” issue and that there is no “constitutional authority” to enact UHC. Have these already been mentioned here? Yes. IMO, the federal government does not have the authority to have anything to do with healthcare. Any government-run healthcare should be administered by the states, not the federal government. Socialists do like this idea, however. They will claim it’s due to “inefficiency” or whatever. I think they’re lying. (Since when do socialists care about efficiency? LOL.) The real reason is they don’t want anyone to have a choice. Socialists are very totalitarian in nature. They believe people should be forced to do things. Socialists are the most anti-choice people I’ve ever met. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1224 "2009-07-22T11:27:20Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > We are already doing that. How many of those children that grow up in subsidized housing, living on welfare even finish school much less become contributing members of society? You mean like [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson), one of the world’s most gifted neurosurgeons who grew up in the Detroit projects? How about [this guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Schultz), CEO of Starbucks who grew up in subsidized housing in Brooklyn? Uh, right, we should have left both those guys in ignorant poverty :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > $10,000 down and “easy monthly payments”. Or heck, maybe they bought two, like my across the street neighbors who cannot afford their mortgage and so only put $5000 each down. Or maybe they bought it used. Wow, look at how it backpedals! If the SUV was $40k new but they bought it used _they didn’t pay $40k_. Are you really THAT stupid? You must be - you think $10k in reserve is adequate to pay for any medical emergency. > [@](#): > > This is a big part of your problem - you assume that everyone who is having financial problems due to medical expenses must be a total innocent who would never go blow money on cars or houses they couldn’t afford instead of making sure their family has insurance. And YOU assume they must be totally guilty of being irresponsible and must have done something wrong rather than having bad luck. > [@](#): > > And where is all this money to pay for it going to come from? Our population keeps growing, and our tax situation is making more of them poor people every day (as well as their own stupid spending practices). You have to be realistic about these things, not just a sob sister. We pay to feed folks and make sure that all of our water is clean already and we are deeply in debt. You want to add to this? Yes, I want to add healthcare to this. Despite your protests, there IS money to pay for this in this country. > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t know since I never saw any “corpsicles” in Washington either. DC or Washington state? Or do you not know? And, once again, **curlcoat** hasn’t experienced it so it doesn’t happen. Frolic naked in Chicago in winter, folks, **curlcoat** doesn’t believe people can freeze to death so it never happens! > [@](#): > > Don’t be an idiot. I was obviously talking about subsidized bus passes and taxi fare. Perhaps you don’t have those in Chicago. We have FREE mass transit for those over 65 - wow, talk about subsidized! I believe poor pregnant women can get subsidized transportation to help them get to the doctor so they can have healthy babies. > [@](#): > > I wouldn’t know. True, it seems you know very little about anything. > [@](#): > > I noticed that you didn’t bother to answer this one, most likely because you don’t want to deal with the reality that there is only so much money to go around. Or, did you just want us to up the national debt to pay for these things? Nope - let’s raise taxes on the wealthiest people. This shouldn’t bother you, because you keep saying you’re not wealthy. Here’s an idea - let’s stop giving SSDI checks to wealthy, selfish bitches who actually do have enough money squirreled away to take care of themselves and use that money to take care of someone who _really needs_ help in order to survive. > [@](#): > > Now, which one of any of those countries has the same population, land mass, private insurance companies and crap record of government run healthcare that we have? What the FUCK does “land mass” have to do with providing health care to everyone? Nothing. It’s just you coming up with yet another reason to defend your callous willingness to let other people suffer and die because of your own selfish greed. > [@](#): > > What is the percentage of poor to middle class to wealthy in UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Australia? What is their overhead for healthcare? See, you can’t just point at them and assume that because it works (?) there, it will work here. Nice (?) you put in there - there is NO DOUBT that UHC works in those countries. It has worked for _decades_. It really terrifies you, the idea that it is possible to cover _everyone_ for less cost and better overall results, doesn’t it? Why is that? > [@](#): > > Because most folks over 65 don’t work so they don’t have the ability to get a group plan thru their employer, nor will they have the income to buy private since most retirees “earn” less than when they were working. But if they were “responsible” they’d have the money to buy their own private insurance policies, right? So what you’re saying is that if you’re old you deserve a free ride, but if you’re 20 years old and get caught in a house fire you deserve an agonizing, prolonged death because you weren’t “responsible” enough to have enough money accumulated to pay the bills? > [@](#): > > Of course, that is you once again trying to turn aside a question you can’t answer, which was have you considered what is going to happen when a large section of our society retires and probably won’t be able to pay high taxes to support your UHC? The same that will happen when “a large section of our society retires” and goes into a government health insurance program called “Medicare”. Don’t you understand that Medicare is _already_ a government health insurance program? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1225 "2009-07-22T11:33:45Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Perhaps you could read the whole thing so you don’t look like such an idiot? The discussion was on inability to pay medical bills at all. I also have far more in reserve than that - I could pull $200,000 out of our house if I had to, even after the crash, because we have made paying down the mortgage a priority. That’s still not enough. Unless you have access to a million in cash on short notice you aren’t able to handle “anything”, and even with a million you could still come up short with a major burn injury, or a prolonged bought with cancer. If you need a transplant the _initial_ costs are hundreds of thousands with the follow up costs tens of thousands of dollars just for _maintenance_ for _life_ and that’s not looking at any complications or other emergencies that might arise. You just have _no clue_ how expensive medicine can be. > [@](#): > > Perhaps you have never had an uninsured medical emergency you could afford to pay for? Remember that dog with the cancer? Aside from the disrespect over his importance, his treatment cost 10’s of thousands, wasn’t covered by any insurance and he went to specialtists that demanded payment at the time of service. Using our credit cards, which have low interest, was the safest way for us to pay for his treatment. Of course, we were able to pay it off fairly quickly by rearranging our budget, so we didn’t end up having to pay all that much in interest. But even so, it is far better to risk your credit rating than your house. So.. you’ll pay tens of thousands of dollars for medical care for a _dog_ but you don’t want to spend anything for a _human being?_ You have some really fucked up priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1226 "2009-07-22T11:39:50Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > IMO, the federal government does not have the authority to have anything to do with healthcare. Any government-run healthcare should be administered by the states, not the federal government. So… would you have an objection if every state had a UHC plan for its citizens? That’s what Canada does - they have UHC at the province level. Would that be acceptable to you? ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1227 "2009-07-22T12:11:20Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If you had paid any attention at all instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have noticed that the only people I have a problem with are those who just take and never put anything in, and those who demand another government handout because they **couldn’t be bothered** to consider something as important as healthcare a priority. Bolding mine So your main problem is with the US healthcare system as it stands today, right? Because that’s what’s happening today. If you want to change that I recommend getting together with like-minded people to find a way to lobby the government to change the system so that it operates in the way you want it to operate. Or are you just too lazy that you **couldn’t be bothered**? ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1228 "2009-07-22T12:14:01Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > Bolding mine > > So your main problem is with the US healthcare system as it stands today, right? Because that’s what’s happening today. > > If you want to change that I recommend getting together with like-minded people to find a way to lobby the government to change the system so that it operates in the way you want it to operate. Or are you just too lazy that you **couldn’t be bothered**? **curlcoat** doesn’t even bother to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1229 "2009-07-22T12:43:47Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > I have to say I am really, thoroughly impressed by the depths of curlcoat’s idiocy/delusion. I can’t believe all these lunatics are still asking for cites. Are they actually such optimists that they think they’re going to get one? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1230 "2009-07-22T14:17:20Z")
Naw, we just like to annoy the crap out of the selfish old biddy. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1231 "2009-07-22T14:30:07Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, but as I said upthread I could make a big dent in it and there are very few health providers that won’t take payments for the rest. Your father did not have insurance? Whether or not my father had insurance is irrelevant to the question. The question was whether _you thought it realistic that your “safety net”_ (which you’ve asserted is available to anyone who bothers to live prudently and plan ahead) would cover such an expense. You do understand that even if you made “a big dent” in it by using your credit cards, you still have to pay that money out of your pocket eventually, right? How long would it take you to make $500,000 in payments to your credit card issuers and the healthcare providers? Bear in mind that stuff you put on credit cards will also incur finance charges, compounding at anywhere from 8 to 19 percent annually. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1232 "2009-07-22T14:33:11Z")
I like the fact that **curlcoat** has totally dropped the discussion of how her SSDI benefits are being paid for. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1233 "2009-07-22T14:38:59Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You still cannot come up with a real life scenario where a person or couple who do not qualify for Medicaid are unable to afford private insurance, without there having been irresponsibility themselves or if they are young, their parents. That’s **exactly** my scenario. Tell me, **please** , which of the following made me irresponsible: [ol] [li]When I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disorder, which could be neither predicted nor prevented, when I was a teenager?[/li][li]When I worked my butt off and got a partial scholarship to an excellent private college and took out loans (like 86% of all American college students) to be able to attend?[/li][li]When I got an excellent full-time job with great benefits and opportunity for advancement?[/li][li]When I made a habit of paying cash for the things I wanted (including my car) and carrying absolutely no consumer debt from month to month?[/li][li]When my home _and_ car were broken into/burgled while I traveled on business, costing me $5,000 out of pocket ($2,500 deductible on auto and home policies) to repair the car damage and replace my stolen items?[/li][li]When I had an unexpected $1,100 car repair the very next month?[/li][li]When I was laid off from work two months after that, before I was able to replenish the $6,100 hit my savings had taken?[/li][li]When I had to opt against COBRA coverage, which was 2X+ my income from unemployment and would’ve eaten up my remaining savings within three months (leaving me unable to pay daily expenses to keep my home and radical expenses like food and heat and electricity)?[/li][li]When I became seriously ill during my unemployment (nothing to do with my auto-immune disorder, nor my “lifestyle” or any “habits” save having a digestive system) and had to have emergency, lifesaving surgery?[/li][li]When I incurred more than $60,000 total in medical debt due to hospitalizations after that surgery, because of complications?[/li][li]When I got a job afterward that does not offer insurance coverage because I’m an independent contractor _like every person who does my particular job in this entire region of the country_?[/li][/ol] Because of Point 1, during my last insurance shopping excursion (3 weeks ago, I always live in hope) I found that I _may be_ eligible for a plan that would still leave me with tens of thousands of dollars of debt if I were to need surgery or even just several days of hospitalization because it caps daily payout at $1,200 including hospital costs, practioner fees and non-surgical testing. This coverage would, in itself, cost me $9.348 a year, plus the $1,000 deductible (which is actually more than I spend in a year on medical expenses). And because of Point 10, the tens of thousands of dollars of medical debt I _already have_ (I’ve been paying it off for 5 years and will be paying for at least another 2) I really cannot take on another $9k+ annual obligation without compromising my already frugal standard of living or giving short-shrift to my retirement savings, which are very important because of Point 11. I don’t get employer contributions or a pension plan so the responsibility to make sure I have enough money to live on in my future is entirely on my shoulders. Of course, it may all be moot, because, I reiterate, of Point 1. There is no guarantee that even that ridiculously limited policy may be denied me. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1234 "2009-07-22T15:00:11Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > $10,000 down and “easy monthly payments”… Or maybe they bought it used. Purchasing a vehicle for ten grand down plus monthly payments is _not_ equivalent to purchasing a vehicle for $10000. Purchasing a used vehicle for a quarter of its original price is hardly equivalent to purchasing the vehicle for its original price. Do you really believe that the person who spent $10,000 on a used SUV has made the same choices as the person who spent $40,000 on a new SUV, _simply because both people ended up with an SUV_? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1235 "2009-07-22T15:01:04Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@curlcoat](#): > > > > What is the percentage of poor to middle class to wealthy in UK, France, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Australia? What is their overhead for healthcare? See, you can’t just point at them and assume that because it works (?) there, it will work here. > > Nice (?) you put in there - there is NO DOUBT that UHC works in those countries. It has worked for _decades_. In Germany’s case, their health plan has been working for [over a century](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Germany), dating back to 1883. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1236 "2009-07-22T15:11:33Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > See, that’s the difference between you and me - actually, unfortunately the difference between me and apparently a majority of those living in the US. I plan ahead and know what we will need to have a hope to have a comfortable future. So, no, I don’t need that money _right now_, but since I can no longer contribute to a 401K at work or get a pension from an employer, I am taking my social security early so we don’t have to touch any of the assets we are counting on to fund our retirement in order to pay bills now. > > I also have no idea how long I will live - I may not make it to 65. I should leave my husband in debt just because you think it’s disgusting that I am getting SSDI? > > No, they don’t. If you had paid any attention at all instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have noticed that the only people I have a problem with are those who just take and never put anything in, and those who demand another government handout because they couldn’t be bothered to consider something as important as healthcare a priority. You still cannot come up with a real life scenario where a person or couple who do not qualify for Medicaid are unable to afford private insurance, without there having been irresponsibility themselves or if they are young, their parents. Far too many people think they “deserve” this, that and everything because the ads on the TVs tell them they do, so they go buy it all on credit. Those are the people that I am getting tired of bailing out. Well, I’ve never “taken” anything from the system. I’ve put in all my life. Steady constant employment, paying taxes, paying the Socoal Security “deductions” etc. I’ve got a retirement plan, and a small nest egg. But, if it all went to shit, it would be nice to know that there was a way out, a safety net of some sort. None of that “We took what we need from you, we no longer need you, so die”. That’s what you are advocating, once we get past the smoke and mirrors. If the government is not going to govern, if it is not going to deal with the “common welfare”, “public wellbeing” etc, then who needs a government at all? It’s like a contract. We obey laws and pay taxes. In return, we expect something back (within sane budgetary and administrative constraints). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1237 "2009-07-22T15:22:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > If the government is not going to govern, if it is not going to deal with the “common welfare”, “public wellbeing” etc, then who needs a government at all? It’s like a contract. We obey laws and pay taxes. In return, we expect something back (within sane budgetary and administrative constraints). Do you mean that? I mean, if the general welfare of the populace were a concern of the federal government, don’t you think they’d have put it into the Constitution? Or at least the introduction to it? Oh, wait a minute… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1238 "2009-07-22T15:27:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Do you mean that? I mean, if the general welfare of the populace were a concern of the federal government, don’t you think they’d have put it into the Constitution? Or at least the introduction to it? > > Oh, wait a minute… Hmmmm. Good point, Maybe we need A cite! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1239 "2009-07-22T15:29:14Z")
Do your own research to back up my claims! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1240 "2009-07-22T16:35:35Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > So… would you have an objection if every state had a UHC plan for its citizens? > > That’s what Canada does - they have UHC at the province level. Would that be acceptable to you? **Crafter\_Man** would still have to do battle against all those “socialists” in his own state. (I don’t think “socialist” means what he thinks it means.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=63)