# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1361 "2009-07-23T16:55:52Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You know, even WITH insurance people themselves will _choose_ to avoid “very expensive things” sometimes. My mother, for instance, could have had a LOT of very expensive care at the end of her life, all of it covered by Medicare and her “gap” insurance, but instead _we chose_ to opt for hospice, at home, which was a LOT less money but money had nothing to do with our decision - because we didn’t have to worry about how to pay the bills. People _choose_ to turn off the machines for the hopelessly brain dead every day in this country not because of money issues but because they know the person is dead and any further treatment is futile. The irony of the same Republicans [forced the husband of a woman in a persistent vegetative state to keep paying huge sums of money to keep her "alive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case)" is astounding. It really is all about politics with them. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1362 "2009-07-23T17:25:45Z")
[http://www.theseminal.com/2009/03/03/the-founding-fathers-did-not-want-large-corporations/](http://www.theseminal.com/2009/03/03/the-founding-fathers-did-not-want-large-corporations/) Strange that our founding fathers were very concerned about corporate power. Yet they have evolved into financial and political powerhouses that dominate us. Yet somehow people are comfortable with that. Yet people argue that our forefathers had a stance on health care which was not even a concept at the time. Anyone who argues our originators would be against health care are just making shit up. Arguing that they did not see us in this experiment together would be ignoring the common welfare concept. they actually said that in the preamble. Yet that should be ignored? Their fear of corporations on the other hand should be dismissed? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1363 "2009-07-23T17:41:36Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > So… because they’re dead he can just twist in the wind? No. Knowing that he was going to have an ongoing serious health issue, they should have planned for his future. Apparently, they didn’t. > [@](#): > > Yes, the legally married, employed full-time people who decided to have a child that, tragically, was born with a birth defect. You do know that not everything is about you, don’t you? > [@](#): > > Want to know a secret? _You paid for his healthcare all along!_ That’s right! From _day one_ because his daddy was a Marine drill sergeant which means not only his paycheck but also all his family’s healthcare was paid by taxpayers. Like YOU. Ha-ha! Boy you are really losing it aren’t you? How many times have I said that I never have a problem with people that _earn_ these things? But of course you need to ignore that or otherwise you wouldn’t be able to work up such a lovely head of steam. > [@](#): > > Bullshit. SSDI is paid for by FICA taxes. You’re living off other people’s tax money. Of course, if you actually realized that your head would probably explode. I am going to start listing the logic that I have had to repeat over and over. This one will be #1. I used it recently, in the thread, go look for it. > [@](#): > > Damn good thing you were forced to pay taxes, too - else you wouldn’t be getting shit right now, would you? Why would you think that? If the government hadn’t taken that money from me all those years, I’d have been able to put more to retirement. I wonder what $70,000 would be now… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1364 "2009-07-23T17:46:10Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > YOU demand people prove what they say… but you won’t do it yourself. You are a hypocrite. Note that I used the word “everything”. I obviously do not demand that you prove everything you say. I actually do very little of it. > [@](#): > > And yet, it is inconceivable to you that someone else might have “done the best they could” and yet find themselves in need of help. This will be logical response #2 but I’ll give you some help here and not make you look for it - I have said _many_ times that I am aware that not everyone who needs aid has been irresponsible. > [@](#): > > Um… yeah, basically. I think it is a moral evil that this country _doesn’t_ have an adequate medical support system for ALL citizens. UHC or you’re evil. Yes, that’s what I believe. It took you this long for you to figure it out? I suppose I just couldn’t believe that there would be someone that stupid stubborn out there. > [@](#): > > The fact I am adult and have a functional brain allows me to identify you as one of the latter. Keep trying, someday you’ll get it right. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1365 "2009-07-23T17:46:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I wonder what $70,000 would be now… Because the value of investments _never_ goes anywhere but up. :rolleyes: > [@curlcoat](#): > > I obviously do not demand that you prove everything you say. That’s fair, since you seem unable to provide citations for your own assertions. > [@curlcoat](#): > > I actually do very little of it. Thanks to the unclear antecedent, you might actually be right about this. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1366 "2009-07-23T17:51:45Z")
[QUOTE=curlcoat] I wonder what $70,000 would be now… [/QUOTE] Approximately $35,000. At least that’s what our $70,000 is right now. Of course, I’m nowhere near retirement age, so that’s good. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1367 "2009-07-23T17:53:08Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If the government hadn’t taken that money from me all those years, I’d have been able to put more to retirement. I wonder what $70,000 would be now… If your understanding of entitlement programs is anything to go by, probably $2.95 and an empty propane tank. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1368 "2009-07-23T17:53:46Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > Because the value of investments _never_ goes anywhere but up. :rolleyes: That’s because it’s magical curlcoat world: investments never go anywhere but up, $26,000 is enough to cover any medical emergency (and if it’s not, it doesn’t matter as long as you have the magic BLUE card), and everyone who goes bankrupt had to be some sort of deadbeat. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1369 "2009-07-23T17:59:11Z")
[Quote=curlcoat] > [@Broomstick](#): > > So… because they’re dead he can just twist in the wind? No. Knowing that he was going to have an ongoing serious health issue, they should have planned for his future. Apparently, they didn’t. [/quote] Back in the day there was no way to know before he was born that he would have any sort of problem at all. How do you prepare for something you _can’t_ see coming? Oh, yes… savings, insurance… well, the Marines gave them health insurance, but I fail to see how you could possibly expect a young couple in their early 20’s to have saved enough money to cover the lifetime care of someone with a severe disability. [Quote=curlcoat] > [@Broomstick](#): > > Yes, the legally married, employed full-time people who decided to have a child that, tragically, was born with a birth defect. You do know that not everything is about you, don’t you? [/quote] Oh, yes - the above example was about _my husband_, not about _me_ - do try to keep up dear. Do you need me to type slower so you can? [Quote=curlcoat] > [@Broomstick](#): > > Bullshit. SSDI is paid for by FICA taxes. You’re living off other people’s tax money. Of course, if you actually realized that your head would probably explode. I am going to start listing the logic that I have had to repeat over and over. This one will be #1. I used it recently, in the thread, go look for it. [/quote] Aw, just admit it - you’re living off other peoples’ tax money. Either that, or you’re taking other peoples’ tax money when you _don’t_need it. [Quote=curlcoat] > [@Broomstick](#): > > Damn good thing you were forced to pay taxes, too - else you wouldn’t be getting shit right now, would you? Why would you think that? If the government hadn’t taken that money from me all those years, I’d have been able to put more to retirement. I wonder what $70,000 would be now… [/quote] If you invested with the wrong people it might be zero - just ask Bernie Madoff’s clients how well their “sure thing” worked out. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1370 "2009-07-23T18:00:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I suppose I just couldn’t believe that there would be someone that stupid stubborn out there. Funny - we all keep saying that about you. Except I don’t think you’re _just_ stupid, you’ve also displayed appalling ignorance in this thread as well. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1371 "2009-07-23T18:05:02Z")
> [@keturah](#): > > I’m afraid that you gave up that right when you accepted SSDI. You can’t keep claiming to be against the system when you accept the benefits from that system. You do understand that the money you paid in was not held for you personally, right? Additionally, you have said that you will accept the money even if it surpasses the amount that you have paid in. Sigh - have you read the thread at all? Or are you just accepting what **Broomstick** bleats out? a) I am not against “the system”, I am against being _expected_ to be happy to pay for another handout for our generations of welfare families and just general irresponsible twits. b) I am well aware that the government didn’t hold the money I paid into SS aside just for me, and that they didn’t invest it or anything intelligent. I am also aware that they took those tens of thousands of dollars from me over the years, meaning I couldn’t add it to my retirement funds. If I were the rich person that **Broomstick** seems to think I am, I could just wave those tens of thousands aside, but since I’m not… c) It’s not likely I will live long enough to take $90,000 out, much less the lost interest. Even if I do, the mere fact that I worked at least one job for over 35 years means I have far more right to any overage than people who have children they cannot afford, run up huge debt and then expect that someone else will deal with it or buy houses they had to have known they couldn’t afford. Anybody else that asks these same questions again can just refer back to this post. [QUOTE=Jenaroph] Hey, curlcoat, how 'bout that $500,000 dollars? You got that much socked away, right? Just in case, right? [/QUOTE] What about it? You want me to create debt to pay my bills? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1372 "2009-07-23T18:07:30Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > c) It’s not likely I will live long enough to take $90,000 out, much less the lost interest. Even if I do, the mere fact that I worked at least one job for over 35 years means I have far more right to any overage than people who have children they cannot afford, run up huge debt and then expect that someone else will deal with it or buy houses they had to have known they couldn’t afford. You didn’t put in $90,000, or anywhere close to it, even if you were making $100,000 a year. You _may_ have put that much into Social Security _en toto_, but I doubt it. See my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1373 "2009-07-23T18:11:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It’s not likely I will live long enough to take $90,000 out, much less the lost interest. Even if I do, the mere fact that I worked at least one job for over 35 years means I have far more right to any overage than people who have children they cannot afford, run up huge debt and then expect that someone else will deal with it or buy houses they had to have known they couldn’t afford. You also have far more right to any overage than leprechauns who foolishly invested in unicorn farms. Start giving cites for all these CRAZY WELFARE MAMAS OH NOES or shut your fucking ignorant, rich, entitled mouth, you disgusting waste of meat. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1374 "2009-07-23T18:14:05Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Bullshit, lady. Read the history of Social Security and the funding strategies of it. You are most certainly being supported by the taxes of others. Granted, you paid into the same program in dedicated taxes in the past, to become eligible for it. But it’s not a pension plan, it’s a tax and an entitlement program for the retired and disabled. I agree your hard work and contributions made you eligible for it, and that you’re entitled to the benefits of it. What you’re wrong about is that it’s your “investment.” Read the thread and stop repeating the same stupidity that others are. > [@](#): > > Further, as an inhabitant of Orange County, you’re benefitting from a highway system paid for in part by federal taxes and in part by taxes on all Valifornians. And I had not heard that Orange Bounty was self-sufficient in energy production or in water – so you’re damn well benefiting from things paid for in part by others. And you have some idea that I am not paying taxes? In Orange County of all places?? > [@](#): > > That’s what living in a 21st century first world society entails. I don’t begrudge you ti – the only thing I object to is your view that you’re entitled to what other taxpayers have paid for that you take for granted, like the freeway system, the aqueducts and other water distribution facilities, the power grid, while taking a crap on those who are less fortunate than yourself and who may need other government services. How you got any of that out of _anything_ I’ve said, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1375 "2009-07-23T18:30:13Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I am not against “the system”, I am against being _expected_ to be happy to pay for another handout for our generations of welfare families and just general irresponsible twits. I and others would have a much easier time accepting this if you didn’t continue to assert that most people who need assistance are “welfare families and just general irresponsible twits.” Either back up your assertion or accept (as supported by other posters’ cites) that most people who need assistance are remarkably similar to you in their values and behavior. [QUOTE=curlcoat] How you got any of that out of _anything_ I’ve said, I don’t know. [/QUOTE] It’s apparent to me from the way you continue to assert that _most_ people who need assistance are just selfish, lazy, irresponsible people who brought their hardship on themselves, even after it’s been shown to you that this _is not true_. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1376 "2009-07-23T18:46:20Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > a) I am not against “the system”, I am against being _expected_ to be happy to pay for another handout for our generations of welfare families and just general irresponsible twits. I don’t get the impression people in this thread are too concerned with what makes you happy. After reading what you have to say, your unhappiness would be a side benefit of healthcare reform. > [@](#): > > c) It’s not likely I will live long enough to take $90,000 out, much less the lost interest. Even if I do, the mere fact that I worked at least one job for over 35 years means I have far more right to any overage than people who have children they cannot afford, run up huge debt and then expect that someone else will deal with it or buy houses they had to have known they couldn’t afford. You do? I’d like to see where this right is codified. Chapter and verse, if you please. I think you’re confusing what you think you deserve with an actual right. > [@](#): > > Anybody else that asks these same questions again can just refer back to this post. Ah. Your post is your cite. I see that phrase bandied about a lot, and it’s not often complimentary. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1377 "2009-07-23T19:50:53Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I would like to get back to the OP and point out that a week later \*\*Rand Rover \*\*has yet to pony up on UHC, the car or my week in Hawaii… or a pony, for that matter. There has to be a pony! Look at all the horse shit! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1378 "2009-07-23T19:52:18Z")
**Rand** apparently hasn’t come back to this thread since page 11 or thereabouts. Could there _be_ a better gift? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1379 "2009-07-23T20:09:34Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > And you have some idea that I am not paying taxes? In Orange County of all places?? Retard: he’s saying that you’re already paying taxes for the shiftless hordes of welfare mothers to use the freeways, water, and energy, which you don’t seem to have a problem with, but when it comes to UHC, suddenly it’s a whole different concept in your opinion. Or, to put it in your own terms, _you’re_ benefitting from _my_ tax dollars (since I’m a Californian). And I hate Orange County - why should my money go to pay for your asshole freeways? Waaaaahhhhhh! > [@curlcoat](#): > > How you got any of that out of _anything_ I’ve said, I don’t know. Shit, show me how that _wasn’t_ what you said (not verbatim, of course). That seemed to be a pretty accurate summation of your views, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1380 "2009-07-23T21:34:09Z")
Yay, **Curlcoat** ’s finally up to replying to **posts made 2 days ago**. She should be done with this thread in about a week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=70)