# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/121 "2009-07-16T23:34:30Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Oh, THANK YOU! That is _so thoughtful!_. And my compost heaps thank you. And my vegetables thank you. And my pretty flowers. We gardeners know what’s really important, don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/122 "2009-07-16T23:35:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You, sir, are a master of subtlety and nuance. I guess every time you get a haircut you worry that the stylist may shave you completely bald. I mean, if you want some of your hair removed, you must want it all removed, right? In other words there is a role for government to play. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/123 "2009-07-16T23:37:38Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > We gardeners know what’s really important, don’t we? True. And we’d _never_ substitute Shinola for the real thing! ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/124 "2009-07-16T23:45:09Z")
The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/125 "2009-07-16T23:46:02Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? You can’t be serious. Even for you, that’s stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/126 "2009-07-16T23:46:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > So, it looks like I may be paying for health insurance for a lot of you motherfuckers. Is there anything else I can get you while I’m at it? A brand(!) new(!) car(!) perhaps? Or how about a week in Hawaii? … > Anyway, you’re welcome. Good, because UHC is to your indirect advantage. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/127 "2009-07-16T23:47:10Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? Your stupidity actually causes me physical pain. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/128 "2009-07-16T23:52:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? Here’s a hint: Not being able to afford going to the movies doesn’t make you dead. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/129 "2009-07-16T23:53:18Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You, sir, are a master of subtlety and nuance. I guess every time you get a haircut you worry that the stylist may shave you completely bald. I mean, if you want some of your hair removed, you must want it all removed, right? Well yeah. I just haven’t had the time in the morning to do it right, and it’s not something you want to do when you haven’t slept well. If you could swing on by and gimme a good head shave there’d be two bits in it for you. Oh, and could you pick up a six pack of Anchor Steam for me? I had enough food stamps for the filets but ran out before I could get some really good beer. You’re the bees knees RR. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/130 "2009-07-16T23:53:56Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? Okaaay… Consequences of not going to movies: boredom, maybe not having a place to take your date. Consequences of not going to a doctor: serious illness, possibly death. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/131 "2009-07-16T23:55:35Z")
I guess ROVER is the only one on the board with health care and pays taxes. Lets find out where he lives and do the scene "Zorba the Greek " when the old rich lady died. A rapid redistribution of wealth is in order. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/132 "2009-07-16T23:55:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? Because health insurance doesn’t respond to market forces like movies. It isn’t profitable to pay someone’s healthcare bills. It’s profitable to not pay someone’s healthcare bills. Even someone as stupid as you should be able to understand that. Do you think that schools, fire departments and police departments should be private? ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/133 "2009-07-17T00:14:02Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Actually, firefighting was a business in the 1800s … people bought plaques from fire companies to assure that the company would actually put the fire out instead of waiting and ‘salvaging’ from the burn building. Firefighting was a for-profit enterprise long before that, proving enriching for one Marcus Licinius Crassus (115 -153 BCE): In the event of a fire anywhere in Rome, he would rush to the scene with his men and all their equipments, but without the slightest intention of putting them immediately into action. Instead, with his team idly standing by, he was already hard at work making bids, at petty prices, for the properties under fire and those under imminent danger or uncertainty in the affected neighborhood. No homeowner in close vicinity could for long afford resisting such offers, for Crassus’ offers were progressively diminishing in sight of more and more houses burning to the ground. Only when the owners gave in did he order his team to put an end to the fire in or near the properties that came into his possession. Source: Haim Ofek, _Second Nature: Economic Origins of Human Evolution_. Cambridge University Press, 2001. pp. 148-9 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/134 "2009-07-17T00:17:00Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It isn’t profitable to pay someone’s healthcare bills. It’s profitable to not pay someone’s healthcare bills. You sure about that? As in, really really sure for real? Think a little harder. Still sure? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/135 "2009-07-17T00:21:37Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > I’ll take the love of a good woman please. And world peace. But definitely the love of a good woman. Failing that, the love of a really bad one for a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/136 "2009-07-17T00:23:13Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. What pisses me off about UHC is the stingy reimbursement, plus they do everything they can to weasel out of paying our fees for medical services. Oh wait…maybe you mean Universal Health Care and not [United Healthcare](http://www.uhc.com). Nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/137 "2009-07-17T00:24:44Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The other point about UHC that chaps my hide is the whole idea of health care exceptionalism. Why is a trip to the doctor so different than a trip to the movies? Why should the government use tax dollars to pay for one and not the other? How many people declare bankruptcy and lose their homes/life savings/retirement because the government won’t pay for their movie tickets? Even if UHC was not under discussion, do you realize just how little it would take for _ **you** _ to lose your health insurance? How many people thought their jobs were safe and then one day they’re not, or ironically a medical condition or an accident leaves you unable to work and after a time COBRA either runs out or you can’t afford to keep it. One day in the hospital can take away years worth of savings. My sister pays more than $1,000 per month for health insurance for herself and her husband (and that with a $5000 deductible) due to pre-existing conditions. She’s lucky, she can afford it, but for me and most people that wouldn’t be an option. I have decent health insurance at the moment- that could change on a dime; I _have_ been uninsured in the past and it’s terrifying (I have major neck problems to this day due to an accident when I was uninsured). The lack of health insurance for 1/6 of Americans- the number of people who have _died_ because they can’t afford preventative care- these are things that will seem to subsequent generations like Jim Crow seems to us: a classist barbarism that is just jaw dropping in its blatant classism and the blunt hypocrisy of the religious who are against it, all while insurance executives are buying Gulfstreams and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the policy makers has excellent insurance… gets my back hairs up. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/138 "2009-07-17T00:29:47Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You sure about that? As in, really really sure for real? Think a little harder. Still sure? Yep. Care to school me? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/139 "2009-07-17T00:42:16Z")
The last time I broke my arm, I went to the Bijou to see _Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS_ … fixed me right up, lemme tell ya what. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/140 "2009-07-17T00:43:32Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > How many people declare bankruptcy and lose their homes/life savings/retirement because the government won’t pay for their movie tickets? > > Even if UHC was not under discussion, do you realize just how little it would take for _ **you** _ to lose your health insurance? How many people thought their jobs were safe and then one day they’re not, or ironically a medical condition or an accident leaves you unable to work and after a time COBRA either runs out or you can’t afford to keep it. One day in the hospital can take away years worth of savings. > > My sister pays more than $1,000 per month for health insurance for herself and her husband (and that with a $5000 deductible) due to pre-existing conditions. She’s lucky, she can afford it, but for me and most people that wouldn’t be an option. I have decent health insurance at the moment- that could change on a dime; I _have_ been uninsured in the past and it’s terrifying (I have major neck problems to this day due to an accident when I was uninsured). > > The lack of health insurance for 1/6 of Americans- the number of people who have _died_ because they can’t afford preventative care- these are things that will seem to subsequent generations like Jim Crow seems to us: a classist barbarism that is just jaw dropping in its blatant classism and the blunt hypocrisy of the religious who are against it, all while insurance executives are buying Gulfstreams and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the policy makers has excellent insurance… gets my back hairs up. So in other words: you have it, I want it, give it to me. THAT, my friend, is barbarism. Instead of just wating out back and jumping me, you get the government to take it from me (since the government can use force while others can’t). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=8)