# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1381 "2009-07-23T21:38:52Z")
For an idle housewife she sure doesn’t get much done in a day. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1382 "2009-07-23T22:11:53Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Why don’t you look that up and get back to us? That is one of the things no one seems to care to check out, as I haven’t been able to find anything at all that indicates that anyone cares how children raised totally on welfare turn out. Except for those occasional success stories. > [@](#): > > This is a big part of your problem-- you assume that everyone who is having financial problems due to medical expenses must be a freeloader or a spendthrift or a loser. Actually, this is a big part of _your_ problem - you see things as black and white and cannot even recognize grey when you see it. > [@](#): > > Social programs that provide food and drinking water to poor people are [not why this country is in debt.](http://useconomy.about.com/od/fiscalpolicy/p/US_Debt.htm) You pulled that out of your ass. Actually, someone else brought that up - either you or **Broomstick**. And paying to feed, clothe, house and clean up drinking water _are_ a part of our national debt no matter what you want to think. Whether or not they are the majority is immaterial - the debt is large enough, way too large, I don’t see how we can afford to add another multi-billion dollar program to it. > [@](#): > > I’d rather we ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and used that money to pay for it. Or raised taxes on the wealthiest 1% of Americans. Something like that. OK, realistically, how likely is it that your elected officials are not going to be starting a war or police action or whatever, even if we do get out of Iraq and Afghanistan? How long has this country ever gone without sticking our noses into some other country’s business? What do you have against rich people? > [@](#): > > You can’t hand wave away the fact that those countries have better overall national health than the United States either, can you? I can wave away that bald statement unless you can offer details, since there are many things that can affect overall health other than whether or not the country has a UHC. > [@](#): > > Nor the fact that it does work, on a national scale, in many places. If we can’t use evidence that it works in other countries, and we can’t try it here, how can we say it will work here? What would prove it to you? Try looking at the subject in depth. Instead of just saying “it works”, look at the various class levels and see how much they are paying, how much they are using it. Look at the plans themselves - what is covered, what isn’t? Look at the country’s overall finances - can they afford to subsidize healthcare for all because they aren’t running off to war every other year? Then instead of saying “it will work here”, look at our finances. Take an indepth look at Medicaid, Medicare and the VA. You know - research? Instead of just swallowing what the talking heads tell you? The same talking heads that have us in Iraq and Afghanistan? > [@](#): > > Too bad. They should either keep working so they can pay for their COBRA, or go without it. Snort - there’s a realistic notion. 75 year old folks working in factories - yeah, employers will jump at that opportunity! > [@](#): > > Why are they entitled to free health care? What free health care are the over 65 set getting? > [@](#): > > What makes you think that taxes on the middle class will be raised to fund UHC? Cite please? Uh, I asked you what is going to happen when a large section of our society retires and probably won’t be able to pay high taxes to support your UHC - you know, the boomers? Where did you get middle class from that? Tho, there was a plan at some point to do just that, to tax the middle class (and probably the rich as well), which was discussed on this board not that long ago. And since the current plan, to just tax the rich, doesn’t seem to be going over well, how long do you think it will be before they come back with a plan to tax the middle class? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1383 "2009-07-23T22:14:46Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > For an idle housewife she sure doesn’t get much done in a day. Sure she does. If everything I’ve learned from Married with Children is correct (and it so often is), she eats plenty of bonbons while watching her stories and badgering her shoe salesman husband for sex. The persistence of her message boardery likely helps break the monotony. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1384 "2009-07-23T22:23:50Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > You don’t sound middle class to me. Sorry, you sound rather wealthy. I say this as a very thrifty person with low debt, but shit. Considering that you don’t work, you folks have a ton of money. Maybe you need to rethink what it means to be “middle class.” Most middle class people could not afford to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a dog. I’m not trying to be mean, that’s just a fact. Again, read the thread before you pop off. Middle class is a measure of income, not what one does with one’s money. We don’t blow it, and I worked full time until 9/07 so we had a dual income for 12 1/2 years. We have a house that is worth far more than what we owe on it because my husband has owned it for about 25 years, we don’t take out equity loans, and I used to be able to overpay the mortgage when I was working. We have no significant debt - the car and truck are paid for, we rarely use the credit cards, we don’t go on cruises or vacation in Hawaii (I have never been there). And I am very cheap, such as I am still on dial up because I won’t pay for any sort of faster connection. Yes, we dropped a lot of money on that dog’s treatment, but that is what a medical emergency does. And because our routine bills are well within our means, we were able to charge that and then pay it off pretty quickly. Of course I was still working then, so if something like that happened now it would take longer to pay off. But because our credit cards are bare and we can take so much equity out of the house, we could pay for another medical emergency - and if it is one of the dogs, it won’t be covered by insurance so we’ll pay the whole thing again. It would put us in debt and might reduce the money we are counting on for retirement, but it is there if we need it. None of that makes us wealthy. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1385 "2009-07-23T22:27:23Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Have you made a note of exactly how much you have paid into SS over the years so that you can stop cashing the cheque when you have taken out exactly what you have put in? Do you have a projected date for when this will (or, indeed, did) happen? I have not bothered to research the exact amount, but I did take a number that I know was low and figured out that they have taken an excess of $90,000 from me. Since I don’t know how to compute interest, you will have to do that yourself to tell me how much the final figure it. Of course, all of that doesn’t mean that taking SSDI is anything like sitting on one’s butt and living off of welfare. If nothing else, I am still paying income tax as well as all of the other fed, state, county and city taxes. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1386 "2009-07-23T23:16:11Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > For a) they seem to have two basic plans, the first being they are going to cover everyone and make everyone pay a premium based on income. Which means I would end up paying more to cover the fact that there are so many that say they can’t pay much at all. You’re only going to pay _anything_ if you choose to join that plan. Guess what? The HMO/PPO that you’re covered under? It offers different plans to different people and different companies at different rates. What your husband contributes to the healthcare plan that covers you is more than other people who are covered by whatever company it is (did you say United Healthcare at some point?) are paying for similar if not identical coverage. So really, this would be nothing new. It’s kind of like flying on an airplane. Everyone’s going to the same destination, but everyone paid a different price to get there. > [@](#): > > Or they are just going to essentially create a group plan with subsized lower premiums for those who currently cannot afford insurance, paid for by taxes. How are they going to decide who can or cannot afford insurance? Just because they say they can’t? The government simply cannot follow up on each one. The whole point of a public plan is that it will be open to the public. Anyone who wants it can get it, not just those of us who’ve been priced out of the private insurance market. That’s been made clear over and over and over again. For something you’ve ranted and railed about repeatedly, you’ve made, quite clearly, no effort to understand the plan that’s been put forward or you’d know the answer to your own question already. > [@](#): > > Then don’t have babies! Why is it ok with you that there are so many people having babies who cannot afford them at all? You do realize that the standard you’re putting forth would mean that **no one** would be able to have children except the megawealthy? Because even people with good jobs and good insurance and savings and investments can lose their jobs or have care denied by their insurers. Even healthy people can have children with diseases that don’t manifest for months or years but when they do, become very costly to treat. **There are no guarantees** in childbearing. At all. > [@](#): > > That is exactly what I am talking about. You want to encourage even more women to have babies they cannot afford by paying their maternity costs. No, I want to be sure that when women fall pregnant, they have the opportunity to have proper prenatal care, for the sake of _their_ lives and the lives of their babies. (Conversely, I also want women to have access to affordable and effective birth control and safe, legal terminations.) > [@](#): > > If a woman cannot afford prenatal visits, what the hell is she doing having a baby in the first place? You really think that the only reason why mothers and babies die is a lack of prenatal care? You’re dead wrong. > [@](#): > > Can you prove it? Can you prove that the only significant debt they had was medical? No one seems to be able to do that. Asked and answered. You’ve been given cites at least three times over and you’re choosing to ignore them. > [@](#): > > Or the UHC may flat out not cover things like keeping a newborn alive that has no hope of survival off the machines, or will be a hopeless vegetable. There may be a cap on how long they will pay to keep a coma patient on the machines.You want the taxpayer to cover all of these extremely expensive things that do drive actual responsible people into bankruptcy, as if there is no limit on how much we can afford to spend on it. In cases where it’s deemed medically hopeless, this is not really a problem. Paying to keep the essentially dead alive is a waste of resources no matter who is footing the bill. Ceasing care when the care offers no benefit is compassionate. But these are not the things that drive people into bankruptcy. Not by a longshot. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1387 "2009-07-23T23:22:48Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Again, read the thread before you pop off. Middle class is a measure of income, not what one does with one’s money. You’re the one who’s two days behind reading the thread. I read it. I still think you sound wealthy. I know plenty of middle class people, and very few of them can afford a 5 figure emergency without severe financial distress. Middle class is a measure of income, not what one does with one’s wealth, indeed. It is YOU who fails to understand that. A middle class family with a couple of kids could be totally financially responsible and still not have a lot of savings. Not everyone who is middle class did things the way you were able to do it, who had no economic misfortunes to wipe you out. > [@](#): > > None of that makes us wealthy. According to you, if you have well into six figures of equity that you can immediately put your hands on, as you have claimed in this thread, yes, that would make you wealthy. Wealth is a measure of ASSETS, and you have claimed to have more than the average middle class person. You are, in effect, wealthy, even though you feel the need to claim otherwise to shame those who are not as wealthy are you are. > [@curlcoat](#): > > That is one of the things no one seems to care to check out, as I haven’t been able to find anything at all that indicates that anyone cares how children raised totally on welfare turn out. Except for those occasional success stories. I refuse to discuss children with you. Well covered territory, as is your repeated claim that you can’t find cites for anything, ever. > [@](#): > > Actually, this is a big part of _your_ problem - you see things as black and white and cannot even recognize grey when you see it. I wish making statements this laden with unintentional irony were physically painful. > [@](#): > > Actually, someone else brought that up - either you or **Broomstick**. And paying to feed, clothe, house and clean up drinking water _are_ a part of our national debt no matter what you want to think. Whether or not they are the majority is immaterial - the debt is large enough, way too large, I don’t see how we can afford to add another multi-billion dollar program to it. Why don’t you open up Google and do a search, and see how President Obama plans to pay for it? While you’re at it, see what the main sources of the national debt are. Educate yourself instead of living a life of complacent, smug ignorance. > [@](#): > > OK, realistically, how likely is it that your elected officials are not going to be starting a war or police action or whatever, even if we do get out of Iraq and Afghanistan? How long has this country ever gone without sticking our noses into some other country’s business? They’re your elected officials too, babe. If you can fantasize about what you want to do with babies born on welfare, I can fantasize about an end to frivolous wars. I would also like to point out the contrast. > [@](#): > > What do you have against rich people? I have something against them because I want them to pay their taxes? > [@](#): > > I can wave away that bald statement unless you can offer details, since there are many things that can affect overall health other than whether or not the country has a UHC. No cites for you! Why waste my time? Nothing I say will ever convince you. I know this because nothing ever has. You are the most stubbornly ignorant person I’ve ever had the displeasure of encountering. > [@](#): > > Try looking at the subject in depth. Instead of just saying “it works”, look at the various class levels and see how much they are paying, how much they are using it. Look at the plans themselves - what is covered, what isn’t? Look at the country’s overall finances - can they afford to subsidize healthcare for all because they aren’t running off to war every other year? Haahahaha! I take it you’ve looked at the subject in depth, done some research, and can debunk my statement? IOW, you know more about it than I do, and are speaking from the position of the more informed party? Good. The please fight my ignorance and share some concrete data that shows that these other countries are so different from the US that the success of their plans cannot be applied to what might happen in the US. I’d love to read it and am open to the idea that I am wrong and you are right. > [@](#): > > Snort - there’s a realistic notion. 75 year old folks working in factories - yeah, employers will jump at that opportunity! You really need to get that snorting problem looked at. You’re insured, see an ENT guy. Also, moron, I was being fucking ironic when I said it. I’m not the one who calls people who need government help “irresponsible twits.” I find it funny that you don’t think old people who need government help are twits, but little kids who do are the bane of your existence. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1388 "2009-07-23T23:26:29Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I have not bothered to research the exact amount, but I did take a number that I know was low and figured out that they have taken an excess of $90,000 from me. Since I don’t know how to compute interest, you will have to do that yourself to tell me how much the final figure it. > > Of course, all of that doesn’t mean that taking SSDI is anything like sitting on one’s butt and living off of welfare. If nothing else, I am still paying income tax as well as all of the other fed, state, county and city taxes. So you are saying no, you haven’t bothered to work it out. Not that I am going to do it for you. I’m not the one living on welfare. I take it I can also assume that your answer too “will you stop cashing the cheque when the amount you paid in is less than you have taken out?” is also a no? But no, there is clearly no hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1389 "2009-07-23T23:35:29Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Snort - there’s a realistic notion. 75 year old folks working in factories - yeah, employers will jump at that opportunity! Actually, one of my coworkers is 75. She may be close to 76. Another person in the office is 72 or 73. Another started with the company as I was starting Kindergarten – in the '60s. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1390 "2009-07-23T23:37:03Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > DC or Washington state? I said Washington, not DC. I am ignoring most of your ranting because it is just the same old thing all over again and it’s boring. > [@](#): > > You just have no clue how expensive medicine can be. Oh sure, I just worked in the industry for over 20 years, of course I have no idea how expensive it can be :rolleyes: How about you follow the thread instead of latching on to bits and pieces? Or are you doing it just so you can work yourself into a self righteous froth? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1391 "2009-07-23T23:42:14Z")
Oh my God, you stupid fucking bitch, at this point I don’t even care about your willfully ignorant views on health care - just stop feeling you have to reply to every goddamn single post directed at you separately. You’ve already been schooled in the multi-quote function; but even beyond that, everybody who’s arguing with you is making practically _the same fucking case_, so just address the underlying issues, not the posters. Holy shit, is this what my tax (or Social Security) dollars are paying for? ---
**Author:** ![stretch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@stretch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stretch)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1392 "2009-07-23T23:47:06Z")
Hey, **curlcoat** , let me help you out here. My soon-to-be-ex-husband is on SSDI. He paid in roughly $150,000 over the 30 years he worked. He has already been paid out $72,000 in the 3.5 years he has been on SSDI. So if you in fact paid in a whopping $90,000, then in a matter of a few years you will have burned through that. Also, after you’ve been on SSDI for 2 years you will be eligible for Medicare Part A for free. I expect you to turn that down because that is supported by current payroll taxes…the government did not save up any money to pay your share of those costs. Medicare Part B will cost you about $110 per month when you are eligible. Again, you stay away from that “entitlement” because current payroll taxes are paying it…not money that you put in. In around 5 years you will completely sucking off the government tit if you continue to claim SSDI or take Medicare. Now you know, you sorry excuse for a social animal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1393 "2009-07-23T23:49:30Z")
Hey, **stretch**! Long time, no see! Still have the Herald. Haven’t driven it since I brought the MG up. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1394 "2009-07-23T23:50:16Z")
[QUOTE=curlcoat] If you had paid any attention at all instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have noticed that the only people I have a problem with are those who just take and never put anything in, and those who demand another government handout because they couldn’t be bothered to consider something as important as healthcare a priority. [/QUOTE] (I put what you quoted of my post in here because I want you to tell me how you managed to get what you apparently did from it) > [@Isamu](#): > > Bolding mine > > So your main problem is with the US healthcare system as it stands today, right? Because that’s what’s happening today. > > If you want to change that I recommend getting together with like-minded people to find a way to lobby the government to change the system so that it operates in the way you want it to operate. Or are you just too lazy that you **couldn’t be bothered**? OK, what does the US healthcare system have to do with things like people not bothering with an education, teenage mothers, crack whores, drug pushers, gang members and everyone else who would rather do something with their money than buy insurance? How about the average middle class family that has four kids _knowing_ that there are some severe genetic diseases in their family tree? Or the family that has a child with serious medical problems and then proceeds to have two or three more kids? Why is it ok with all these people to do their thing, and then look to the taxpayers when they can’t afford their medical bills? I have no real problem with the US healthcare system as it is now - it could use tweaking, but not replacement. What I’d like is for the general public to quit expecting the taxpayer to bail them out of a stupid mortgage, or pay all their medical bills. It would also be nice if finances were taught in public schools. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1395 "2009-07-23T23:59:45Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > OK, what does the US healthcare system have to do with things like people not bothering with an education, teenage mothers, crack whores, drug pushers, gang members and everyone else who would rather do something with their money than buy insurance? Fucking nothing. Nothing at all! You’re the only one seemingly trying to tie them together incessantly. None of these things have anything to do with eachother, except in your world where people only get sick because they didn’t plan their finances better. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1396 "2009-07-24T00:03:01Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > Whether or not my father had insurance is irrelevant to the question. The question was whether _you thought it realistic that your “safety net”_ (which you’ve asserted is available to anyone who bothers to live prudently and plan ahead) would cover such an expense. > > You do understand that even if you made “a big dent” in it by using your credit cards, you still have to pay that money out of your pocket eventually, right? How long would it take you to make $500,000 in payments to your credit card issuers and the healthcare providers? Bear in mind that stuff you put on credit cards will also incur finance charges, compounding at anywhere from 8 to 19 percent annually. Look, I don’t even know which conversation this is so I’ll just be brief. I have no idea if we would have enough money to cover _anything_, but if we cashed out our retirements and mortgaged our house, we could cover a heck of a lot. And then, yes, we would be stuck paying for it. And? I’m not sure what your point is here. That I shouldn’t be responsible for paying for my bills? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1397 "2009-07-24T00:03:35Z")
**curlcoat** , your posts have made me wondered something: suppose UHC was implemented. What percentage of those on it and who take direct advantage of it would you predict lived “responsible” lives, financial or otherwise (defined however you choose)? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1398 "2009-07-24T00:08:11Z")
[QUOTE=curlcoat] If you had paid any attention at all instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have noticed that the only people I have a problem with are those who just take and never put anything in, and those who demand another government handout because they couldn’t be bothered to consider something as important as healthcare a priority. [/quote] Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, and cowshit too. You read the posts of people trapped in crappy jobs, and situations because changing insurers would make their ongoing health problem a “preexisting condition”? How about the people with catastrophic costs that their insurance didn’t cover? The people who lost their job and their previously covered condition became preexisting? > [@](#): > > OK, what does the US healthcare system have to do with things like people not bothering with an education, teenage mothers, crack whores, drug pushers, gang members and everyone else who would rather do something with their money than buy insurance? How about the stupid old hags who didn’t save enough money for retirement? Enjoy being a leach, hypocrite. > [@](#): > > It would also be nice if finances were taught in public schools. Judging by your understanding of Social Security you sure could have used those classes. It’s not too late, you could qualify for FAFSA and take a finance course at your local community college. It’s not too late! Do it! go go go! ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1399 "2009-07-24T00:10:07Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > OK, what does the US healthcare system have to do with things like people not bothering with an education, teenage mothers, crack whores, drug pushers, gang members and everyone else who would rather do something with their money than buy insurance? How many people do you honestly believe fall into these categories? You keep throwing out the worst case scenarios as if they are commonplace but you can’t back that up with facts or cites or anything but your own compulsive need to believe that anyone who isn’t insured or is poorly insured is some sort of immoral, uneducated, unintelligent or criminal person, an “unintelligent twit” to use your own words, or, incapable of ever making good decisions. Worst case scenarios are dramatic, but they’re not real life. When you get acquainted with that, call us all back. We won’t likely be waiting by the phone. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Man\_With\_The\_Golden\_Gun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Man_With_The_Golden_Gun)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1400 "2009-07-24T00:50:27Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > It reminds me of the warnings issued by the guards in _The Running Man._ > > “Warning! Warning #14! Second warning!”. > > Yipes. I don’t know if anyone’s said this or not (I’m not going through this train wreck of a thread to find out), but I think you mean “The Long Walk”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=71)