# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1461 "2009-07-24T18:51:35Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > So who exactly wouldn’t benefit from living in a more economically competitive (lower GDP spent on healthcare) country with a healthier population (as measured by infant mortality, lifespan, etc.)? Morticians? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1462 "2009-07-24T19:15:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The thing I try to keep in mind about **curlcoat** is that she was the woman who was stunned to learn that there are descendants of slaves still living in America today. … Wait, **what**? Did she think that all of the former slaves emigrated to Liberia? And then magically a bunch of other Africans just moved here at the same time, but then most of them randomly decided to swap out their original surnames for European ones? > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Go look up “directly” and get back to us. Also, a surtax on the “rich” isn’t the same as "general tax revenue, so you fail again. Having a healthy population benefits everyone exactly as directly as having an educated population–more so, in fact, since everyone will produce better work when they’re not dead, whereas some people have no aptitude for or interest in higher education. And with our current tax system, the more you make, the more you pay in taxes. I fail to see how another graduated increase doesn’t equate to “general tax revenue.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1463 "2009-07-24T19:38:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Morticians? Ahh but everyone makes it their way sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1464 "2009-07-24T20:39:11Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Morticians? It’s one thing to beat up on Guin, leave her Daddy out of it ! ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2009, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1465 "2009-07-24T20:44:02Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Oh for heaven’s sake. How does a woman “fall pregnant”? > > If you knock the vase off of the table, do you say “it broke”, or “I broke it”? > > You seem to think it’s the former, in which case you’re 3 years old. Welcome to the wide world of language, jackass. “Fall pregnant” is a common term in other countries where English is spoken. And since I spent most of this week communicating with midwives in the UK and Sweden, it was at the forefront of my mind. Get bent. > [@curlcoat](#): > > What did your parents do at that point? Did they make any arrangements to make sure you would be able to afford to deal with it? I was insured under my parents plan at the time, but when you either turn 18 or leave college, you cannot stay insured under your parents plan. When I left college and got a job I was insured. > [@](#): > > How long did you work in that job before you were laid off? What does that have to do with anything? > [@](#): > > But then, that could be immaterial since - again! - I have said that I am fully aware that not _all_ people who have medical emergencies they cannot pay for have been irresponsible. You asked for a scenario, incredulous that one should exist. Now you’ve seen one. > [@](#): > > OTOH, you were able to pay for/make arrangements for your emergency. Why do you feel that the taxpayer should pay for that rather than you? If you’d been paying attention, the taxpayers – which includes me, you dimbulb – did pay for the emergency surgery I had, because I could not. Medical assistance would not pay for the other hospitalizations, despite the fact that I was in grave condition during one (to the extent of “call the family to come say goodbyes, she is circling the drain”) and had a sub-poverty level income and no insurance. Consequently my finances ever since have been fucked. But that’s immaterial because, for the umptyumpth time, a public health plan option would not be free. Those who sign up for that plan would pay premiums, just like those who sign on to United Healthcare (with the $12 million dollar CEO) or Aetna (with the $38 million dollar CEO) or Blue Cross do. So the taxpayers wouldn’t be “paying” for anyone’s care, the _plan members_ who are, themselves, taxpayers, would be. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1466 "2009-07-25T02:09:04Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > And since I spent most of this week communicating with midwives in the UK and Sweden, it was at the forefront of my mind. Suuure you did. Was that before or after you were hurling concrete at a passing car? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11374443&postcount=42](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11374443&postcount=42) ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1467 "2009-07-25T02:11:52Z")
As much as I appreciate the hourly reminder that there are truly crazy people on the Internets, I think I’m going to have to unsubscribe from this one. PM me if someone says something interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1468 "2009-07-25T02:13:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The thing I try to keep in mind about **curlcoat** is that she was the woman who was stunned to learn that there are descendants of slaves still living in America today. It helps me to remember to keep my expectations for her very, very low. Whoa – where was this??? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1469 "2009-07-25T03:02:37Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Having a healthy population benefits everyone exactly as directly as having an educated population–more so, in fact, since everyone will produce better work when they’re not dead, whereas some people have no aptitude for or interest in higher education. That may be true, but has nothing to do with what I said. The direct benefit I’m talking about is actually utilizing the program (i.e., getting subsidized education or health insurance). > [@](#): > > And with our current tax system, the more you make, the more you pay in taxes. I fail to see how another graduated increase doesn’t equate to “general tax revenue.” A special surtax is being proposed to pay for one specific program. That’s different than just the whole idea of progressive income taxation. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1470 "2009-07-25T03:04:47Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Or because my father wasn’t Thurston Howell the Third either. Most rich people inherited nothing from their parents. > [@](#): > > But you may be right. I enjoy the money I make and I work hard for it … but it isn’t the end-all, be-all of my existance. I don’t predicate every single decision I make on some bottom-line as though that is the definition of my existance. In other words, you are selfish. You value certain things (i.e., spending time with family, enjoying your job) over producing value for society. I love it when people like you say I am sociopathic and don’t do anything that benefits society when the opposite is actually true. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1471 "2009-07-25T03:05:05Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Curlcoat** , again, seems to be playing the part of “Who cares what you say..I’m just going to keep replying until I “win” the thread and am the only person left replying”. > > I can think of two other trolls in the past who used to do exactly this. [Drmark2000](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343779) used to do this constantly. Just keep replying and replying and replying singly to people until they all left and he was the sole person in the thread. Search his posts made for other topic gems if you care. > The other I can think of, offhand, is [andrewdt85](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=355788). Again, the tactic seemed to be “Just keep replying and fighting–no matter what anyone else says.” a pattern that’s apparent if you read all of his topics ever made. > > Both were eventually banned. Uh, OK. If we post “too many” messages to this, er, message board, we get banned? Or do you suppose there was some other reason why those folks were banned? :dubious: Oh, and **Rubystreak**? I scroll past far more posts than I reply to, so I’m not really interested in trying to keep track of posts that are several apart. Particularly since many of you don’t quote enough that I know what you are responding to, so I have to go back and forth thru to the old post as well. **Bosstone** , I have no idea what the multi-quote feature is. Oh, reading further I see that **MsWhatsit** has explained it - I shall give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1472 "2009-07-25T03:17:23Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Whoa – where was this??? [Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=498747) where **Omega Glory** pits her. I _think_ the thread he links to in his OP is the one **Miller** refers to. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1473 "2009-07-25T03:22:35Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Most rich people inherited nothing from their parents. You’re a fucking idiot. > [@](#): > > In other words, you are selfish. You value certain things (i.e., spending time with family, enjoying your job) over producing value for society. I love it when people like you say I am sociopathic and don’t do anything that benefits society when the opposite is actually true. How do you benefit society? Be specific, please. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1474 "2009-07-25T03:30:10Z")
I clicked on the multi-quote button and nothing happened… > [@Jenaroph](#): > > [You’re not looking very hard then.](http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index+-+temp_policy+%2Bamp%3B+government) Read the thread. All that cite did was say the same old thing “Health Costs Cause Bankruptcy!!!”, without looking into whether or not these folks were just skating on the edge and _any_ emergency would have put them under. _That_ is the sort of study that I am having trouble finding, tho I am currently downloading, very slowly, an address given by Elizabeth Warren who is supposed to be an expert in bankruptcy and finance. In the little bit that I’ve seen so far, it appears that the average family in the US has _zero_ in savings yet are carrying a lot of credit card debt, so it is no wonder that $20,000 in medical costs put them into bankruptcy. Medical emergencies, which include injuries, are probably more common than, say, a tornado taking out your house and place of work. Tho before you ask for a cite, I don’t have one - that just seems like common sense. > [@](#): > > Why must it be a majority of people before it’s a problem? [Isn’t 1 out of 3 bad enough?](http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/04/uninsured.epidemic.obama/) Are those people uninsured because they actually have no money for insurance, or because they have other things they would rather spend it on? Again, read the thread, since people are complaining about me having to repeat myself. It would help if you all wouldn’t keep trying to use the same lame arguments. [QUOTE=Broomstick] Um… where else would they list their cause of bankruptcy? Do you think people are going bankrupt from, say, silly investments in emu farming but putting down “credit card debt” or “medical expenses” instead? [/QUOTE] I have already repeated myself on this once - do you want me to do it again? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1475 "2009-07-25T03:34:16Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You’re a fucking idiot. You think I’m wrong? > [@](#): > > How do you benefit society? Be specific, please. I make enough to pay the surtax (not the full 5.4% though, yet). I don’t rob banks for a living or beat up old ladies (the last one I do just for fun). So how do you suppose I make the money I make? Does it just fall from the sky? If you pay a dollar for a candy bar, and you pay $5 for lunch, and you pay $20 for dinner, is there a reason you paid different amounts for each of those things, or is it completely random? Would you pay $20 for a candy bar if the candy bar salesman asked? So, it’s pretty obvious. I make a lot more money per year than the average person. And the reason is that I provide more value to society than the average person. The details of exactly how I provide that value don’t really matter–the fact that I make more is the only fact you need to know to know that I provide more value. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1476 "2009-07-25T03:39:40Z")
You enable tax avoidance by the very rich. How many of your wealthy clients pay no income tax at all? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1477 "2009-07-25T03:40:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You think I’m wrong? I suspect that the extended families of the Rockefellers and Vanderbilts would think that you’re wrong. Just as obvious examples. > [@](#): > > So, it’s pretty obvious. I make a lot more money per year than the average person. And the reason is that I provide more value to society than the average person. The details of exactly how I provide that value don’t really matter–the fact that I make more is the only fact you need to know to know that I provide more value. No, please, provide details. The question is not, “In what way do you provide value to those in need of tax lawyers?” The question is, “In what way do you provide value to society?” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1478 "2009-07-25T03:45:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I suspect that the extended families of the Rockefellers and Vanderbilts would think that you’re wrong. Just as obvious examples. What are you talking about? All I said is that the vast majority of rich people didn’t inherit anything. I didn’t say that there aren’t rich people that got it by inheritance. I think we are seeing which one of us is truly the fucking idiot here. > [@](#): > > No, please, provide details. The question is not, “In what way do you provide value to those in need of tax lawyers?” The question is, “In what way do you provide value to society?” The people that pay me have lots of choices for how they spend their money. They are members of society, and the other people they could give their money to are members of society. I could take a job that would allow me to have a more regular schedule, but I choose not to, and I make more for it, which shows that I benefit society more by doing the job I do than does someone who’s not willing to. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1479 "2009-07-25T03:47:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You enable tax avoidance by the very rich. There are different ways to do things. I help people do things in the way that allows them to lower their tax bill. That’s not a bad thing. > [@](#): > > How many of your wealthy clients pay no income tax at all? :rolleyes: I love the myth that the rich don’t pay taxes. In reality, the top 1% of income earners pay some huge percentage of taxes (I forget, something like 60-70%). ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1480 "2009-07-25T03:48:29Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > How many of your wealthy clients pay no income tax at all? How many posters on this message board pay no income tax at all? 70%? 80%? 90%? But that’s just hand-waved away. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=75)