# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1541 "2009-07-25T05:02:52Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > Versus a whole band? (I dunno, is Radiohead one guy? I seem to remember someone called Beck, not sure if that’s the same guy, don’t feel like looking it up) Yeah, you’re right–four or five truckers, then. > [@](#): > > Just one trucker, then. 52 linear feet of truck, fourteen days working and two days at home, and he’s the difference between whether or not your supermarket has fresh food. Or he’s the difference between whether or not your hospital has insulin. Just one guy, just one day, just one shipment that doesn’t show up could ruin a lot of days and cost a lot of people lots of money, which is the important thing, isn’t it? Right, one trucker could temporarily fuck things up. Not sure what this has to do with anything. The dude is still only providing $40,000 or so worth of value to society. > [@](#): > > Oh, and a point from someone I was talking to about this: lawyers are disproportionately paid at least in part because politicians are, by and large, current or former lawyers. Surprisingly, the people in power can slant things as they like. This makes no sense at all. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1542 "2009-07-25T05:03:58Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > But if the starting point, i.e. that 47% don’t pay taxes, is true, you’d have to admit that the percentage is even higher on the SDMB, right? It seems obvious to me. Do you disagree? I disagree that there is evidence to show that. Let’s assume that each poster on the SDMB is a tax unit, and that therefore we can assume that 47% of posters do not pay income tax. (Assuming, of course, the the 47% figure is more or less accurate.) I would assume that the people who ask for help with board subscriptions are _already_ within the 47%, and not in addition to it. I don’t see why you’d assume that people who make enough to pay tax are also going to ask for subscription renewal help. The only way (in my mind) that I can justify your stance is that you are assuming that the only people who support income tax are those who do not pay it. Please correct me if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1543 "2009-07-25T05:04:07Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > How much does your wife cost? > [@Rubystreak](#): > > Explain the difference between your value as a human being and your value to society. See if you can do it without resorting to your salary as the final word on the matter. I multi-quoted these posts because they make no sense at all. I wouldn’t even being to pretend that the concept “value as a human being” has any meaning. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1544 "2009-07-25T05:04:27Z")
I can’t believe I’m actually bothering to make a serious post to this thread on page 31, but anyway, here’s a question, which I will ask and then hit the sack for the night: Let’s assume, just for kicks, that money really is the only thing that proves someone’s value to society. Let’s further assume that someone is a big-time tax lawyer who brings in scads and scads and scads of dough. Now let’s assume that this tax lawyer, out of the goodness of his formerly Grinch-like heart, decides, you know what? I’m providing a valuable service here. I should do it for free. I shouldn’t even take people’s money for this service! He’s independently wealthy from years of bringing in scads of dough, so he can easily afford to take no salary for the rest of his career. He is still a tax lawyer. Still providing the exact same service he was before. No change there. But now he’s getting paid: $0. Did his value to society just drop to nothing? Is he a valueless member of society? ETA: Hey, congrats on the multi-post, **Rand**! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1545 "2009-07-25T05:05:47Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > When have I ever said anything that contradicts this? Your constant claims that how much a person makes determines their worth to society. **MsWhatsit** – that makes me think that, in **Rand Rover** ’s mind, Andrew Carnegie provided no value to society, in his philanthropic actions. Since he did them for free. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1546 "2009-07-25T05:06:17Z")
Oh, _that’s_ how multi-quote works! anyway - > [@Rubystreak](#): > > Cites have been given. Your uninformed opinion is not a worthy entry in any sort of intellectual debate. This is why no one takes you seriously in these conversations. All you have is your opinion. What I have is questions. If your belief in a UHC is so shaky that it cannot handle questions without you becoming emotional and rude, then why are you supporting it? > [@](#): > > I didn’t ignore what you said, though maybe I should have, all things considered. My point, once again, is that there is no way to plan for an expense that large. I’m sorry, but there isn’t. Cancer, heart disease, and stroke are very common maladies, and they are very costly to treat. If you were to find your coverage short, you would be screwed. And, again, you ignore what I said - maybe this is why I have to repeat myself so much. If you (generic you) have done _ **nothing at all to prepare for an emergency, such as having a savings account** _, then it is extremely irresponsible to expect that the taxpayer will cover all of your costs. If you choose to, say, buy a house you can’t quite afford and use all of your savings to do so, and then have a medical emergency, do you think that is responsible? > [@](#): > > I have no trouble putting myself in the place of someone who is financially screwed by our current system when they have an emergency injury or serious illness. It is you who cannot put yourself in others’ place. You expect everyone to be like you, with $200,000 equity in your home, multiple, high limit, low interest credit cards, and a husband who can support all her bills. A lot of people, hard working middle class people, are not in your cushy position. Can you acknowledge that? Again I repeat myself - I did not always have these things. I worked and earned, my husband worked and earned (and still does), we budgeted, never took chances, saved, created retirement funds. There were plenty of times we could have taken a flyer on something, but we were simply too - wait for it - responsible to take a chance with our futures. And there is _no_ reason why other people cannot do this - again, I started out well below the poverty level - but far too many people would rather have a bigger house, another kid, or whatever it is that is causing the average family to have zero in savings and high credit card debt even before there are any medical problems. > [@](#): > > I gave you fucking CITES about how much cancer treatment costs, and how many people are driven to financial ruin because of it, including people with insurance. You have no reason whatsoever to accuse me of making shit up, Ms. It’s My Opinion, Snort. You made up stories about people getting cancer after a tornado landed or something like that. Or maybe it was **Broomstick** , it gets hard to tell. Anyway, did I ever in any way indicate that the _diagnosis_ makes any difference? I want to know how many people out there without medical insurance and/or those driven to bankruptcy because of a medical problem even bothered to try to be responsible. I want to know if all of this clamoring for a UHC is just another demand for a handout from the same people who are now demanding bailouts from stupid mortgages And, I will repeat myself again - there is no guarantee that your cancer patient would get full care under a UHC. There is only so much money available, so if your cancer patient is old and/or far along in the disease prior to diagnosis and/or has some other serious health issue, do you not think it likely that the government will deny full treatment? They may deny _full_ treatment on some things period - high qualify healthcare is desperately expensive, and for a reason. > [@](#): > > I already did and gave a cite. If you disagree with my cite, and you are really interested in what leads people to go bankrupt, FIND YOUR OWN CITES. I double dog dare you to. Apparently, all your cite said was “it was health problems” without any details, which is all I have seen so far. I am looking for what was going on prior to the health issue. [QUOTE=cwthree] Why do you have such a hard time believing that people go bankrupt for the reasons they say they do (catastrophic expenses, long-term unemployment, etc.)? [/QUOTE] Because there are plenty signs pointing to it, such as the fact that so few US families have any savings and so many of them have a lot of credit card debt. Because of this, it appears to me that there is a growing population of people out there that are skating on the thin edge at all times - do you think another government handout is a good cure for this? > [@](#): > > Several people have explained exactly why this happens. Several posters have also told you exactly what it would cost to purchase health insurance for their families. They’re not making those numbers up, either. I saw people explain that they can’t get insurance due to pre-existing conditions, so that doesn’t answer it. I saw people say that a private policy would cost them $X, but no reasons why they can’t afford it, other than unemployment. > [@](#): > > Do you know anything about the terms of this blue credit card? Ask your husband about the finance charges associated with carrying a balance on it. I’m rather sure that I said that I would use that, as well as doing things like take a bunch of equity out of the house, if we had such a large bill unpaid by insurance that we had no other way of paying it. That card is not a where we would go unless we had to. [QUOTE=Shot From Guns] Also, did you seriously just say that your husband kept an old corporate card and you’re considering it part of your equity? [/QUOTE] No, I said it was a card from his old job. They had him get it in his own name. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1547 "2009-07-25T05:07:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Yeah, you’re right–four or five truckers, then. > Right, one trucker could temporarily fuck things up. Not sure what this has to do with anything. The dude is still only providing $40,000 or so worth of value to society. Based on WHAT? What he’s carrying could be worth a great deal more than that. One trucker who decides to take his truck to Vegas could cost millions in lost revenue to the people expecting his stuff. In rare circumstances, it could cost lives or livelihoods. > [@](#): > > This makes no sense at all. The people who run things and have at least nominal control of the economy can legislate to enrich people like themselves? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1548 "2009-07-25T05:08:28Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > I can’t believe I’m actually bothering to make a serious post to this thread on page 31, but anyway, here’s a question, which I will ask and then hit the sack for the night: > > Let’s assume, just for kicks, that money really is the only thing that proves someone’s value to society. Let’s further assume that someone is a big-time tax lawyer who brings in scads and scads and scads of dough. > > Now let’s assume that this tax lawyer, out of the goodness of his formerly Grinch-like heart, decides, you know what? I’m providing a valuable service here. I should do it for free. I shouldn’t even take people’s money for this service! He’s independently wealthy from years of bringing in scads of dough, so he can easily afford to take no salary for the rest of his career. He is still a tax lawyer. Still providing the exact same service he was before. No change there. But now he’s getting paid: $0. > > Did his value to society just drop to nothing? Is he a valueless member of society? > > ETA: Hey, congrats on the multi-post, **Rand**! The only thing I have been talking about is the value I provide to society. I don’t know what it means to say “my value to society” or my “worth as a human being” or any of that shit. All I am saying is that lots of liberal douches think I am bad and selfish and only out for myself because I want to make lots of money, but they don’t understand that I have to provide value to society in exchange for that money. In your hypo, I would still be providing value to society, and the measure would be the value of the services that I provide. Even though I don’t charge for them, we could estimate the value (by, say, looking at the amount others charge for simlar services). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1549 "2009-07-25T05:10:37Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Your constant claims that how much a person makes determines their worth to society. Guin, you are just as wrong as you always are. I’ve only been talking about the value I provide to society, not my “value to society.” I apologize if I used loose language in any post above that didn’t make this clear. I’m sure someone will be along shortly to take me to task for some post where I say something about my “value to society” or something, but I’m only talking about the value I provide to society, not my worth as a human being or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1550 "2009-07-25T05:10:54Z")
No, we think you’re selfish because that’s all you seem to talk about. “Look at me, I’m so rich – hey, did you know I’m rich!!!” Guess what? We don’t _care_. Oh, and get a new term – “liberal douches” is really old. Have you no imagination? ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1551 "2009-07-25T05:11:38Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > The only way (in my mind) that I can justify your stance is that you are assuming that the only people who support income tax are those who do not pay it. Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m quite sure that many people support income tax, but why wouldn’t they, since they are not paying it at all? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1552 "2009-07-25T05:13:43Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I multi-quoted these posts because they make no sense at all. I wouldn’t even being to pretend that the concept “value as a human being” has any meaning. It doesn’t have any meaning as regards to money. You’re right – “how much does your wife cost?” is a nonsensical question. It’s like “what’s the value of a belly laugh” or “how much is your memory worth?” “What does springtime cost?” is a deranged question. The difference is, you say it’s because all value is based on what people are willing to pay, and we say that some value cannot be measured in only that. Do you understand why a person might pay a reward of $500 for the return of a beloved pet? Why a man might spend thousands on a shiny rock artificially overvalued by a wealthy family on a circle of yellow metal that could better be used for delicate electrical components? You refuse to acknowledge value measured in anything but money. It’s convenient, because then you can ignore everyone who disagrees. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1553 "2009-07-25T05:14:05Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > No, we think you’re selfish because that’s all you seem to talk about. “Look at me, I’m so rich – hey, did you know I’m rich!!!” Guess what? We don’t _care_. Please. I’ve never made a single post that is anything like what you quoted (except for in my fake meltdown that I had at your request). I just mention that I make a lot of money and people automatically assume I’m bragging or lording over them or something. Probably because there are a lot of losers here on the SDMB (such as yourself) who can’t find the means to not keep living off their parents well into their adult years. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1554 "2009-07-25T05:15:09Z")
I am also entertained that by your lights you are worth less to society than Paris Hilton. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1555 "2009-07-25T05:15:43Z")
> [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > It doesn’t have any meaning as regards to money. > > You’re right – “how much does your wife cost?” is a nonsensical question. It’s like “what’s the value of a belly laugh” or “how much is your memory worth?” “What does springtime cost?” is a deranged question. > > The difference is, you say it’s because all value is based on what people are willing to pay, and we say that some value cannot be measured in only that. Do you understand why a person might pay a reward of $500 for the return of a beloved pet? Why a man might spend thousands on a shiny rock artificially overvalued by a wealthy family on a circle of yellow metal that could better be used for delicate electrical components? > > You refuse to acknowledge value measured in anything but money. It’s convenient, because then you can ignore everyone who disagrees. Let me ask you this–how much value do you think the average long-haul trucker adds to society? Please answer in monetary terms. If the number is in excess of the average salary of a long-haul trucker, please explain the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1556 "2009-07-25T05:24:10Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > I’m quite sure that many people support income tax, but why wouldn’t they, since they are not paying it at all? I support income tax, and I’m paying more this year than I ever have in my life. And if next year it goes up a bit to pay for stuff like UHC and paying down the deficit, I’m fine with that too. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1557 "2009-07-25T05:26:03Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Let me ask you this–how much value do you think the average long-haul trucker adds to society? Please answer in monetary terms. If the number is in excess of the average salary of a long-haul trucker, please explain the difference. Truckers actually make a fairly large amount of money, but that’s mostly because they have to maintain their own vehicles. Take-home, a good trucker makes about $36k – that’s purely anecdotal, though. Let’s break that down into months. $36,000 is $3000/month. He is hauling well over $3000 in merchandise in that month. He is probably hauling well over $36,000 in merchandise at one time – maybe more if he’s hauling a bunch of plasma TVs or a mighty truck of iPods, maybe less if he’s hauling lettuce. But he did not invent the TV, you say, or build the iPod or grow the lettuce. Okay. But without him, you have no access to it. By the mere act of arriving in town and unloading his goods, the trucker has kept things running. He has enriched the area. It sounds overblown, but you’re the person who chose to point at someone who really contributes a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1558 "2009-07-25T05:33:52Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I multi-quoted these posts because they make no sense at all. I wouldn’t even being to pretend that the concept “value as a human being” has any meaning. In other words, you’ve got nothing. Your value to society is not measured by your salary. Your salary merely measures what your clientele, a very small portion of society, is willing to pay for your services. Your value to society is multi-faceted and comprised of many more factors than just your salary. > [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](#): > > Truckers actually make a fairly large amount of money, but that’s mostly because they have to maintain their own vehicles. Take-home, a good trucker makes about $36k – that’s purely anecdotal, though. My husband, a former over the road trucker, says that the long haul guys make twice that much, easily. > [@curlcoat](#): > > What I have is questions. If your belief in a UHC is so shaky that it cannot handle questions without you becoming emotional and rude, then why are you supporting it? Why can’t you do your own research to answer your questions? When I offer you cites, you either flagrantly do not read them, or you dismiss them as biased. Thus, you should do your own research, find sources that you think are credible, and answer your own questions. Do you think I was born knowing about about health care? I had questions, I looked them up, and I found answers. I am not obligated to do the same for you, considering our long history of me providing cites and you disregarding them. > [@](#): > > If you (generic you) have done _ **nothing at all to prepare for an emergency, such as having a savings account** _, then it is extremely irresponsible to expect that the taxpayer will cover all of your costs. If you choose to, say, buy a house you can’t quite afford and use all of your savings to do so, and then have a medical emergency, do you think that is responsible? Most people do not have 6 figure savings. This is a fact. People who do not have 6 figure savings are not, IMO, irresponsible. Now, many people have equity in their homes, but if you tap into that for an emergency, and you don’t recover from your illness, then you will lose your house. This is a common scenario. I feel compassion for people in this situation because most people I know are middle class and, if they didn’t have insurance and got seriously ill or injured, would be in this very situation. If you don’t even own your home, you lack even that equity to tap into, so where would you come up with enough money to cover a 6 figure medical expense $20,000 in the bank would be loooong gone. > [@](#): > > Again I repeat myself - I did not always have these things. I worked and earned, my husband worked and earned (and still does), we budgeted, never took chances, saved, created retirement funds. What if some catastrophe had happened to you before you had amassed all this wealth, like your husband got laid off, and you lost your insurance because he was out of work for 2 years (it happens)? Then, because of your pre-existing medical conditions, when he got another job, you weren’t covered, and had an emergency that required you to have an extended hospital stay? You would be as screwed as anyone else. This is not an usual scenario. > [@](#): > > whatever it is that is causing the average family to have zero in savings and high credit card debt even before there are any medical problems. My point is, you can have savings, but very few people have THAT much in savings. I don’t know anyone who is middle class around my age who has a six figures in liquid assets. > [@](#): > > You made up stories about people getting cancer after a tornado landed or something like that. Please cite where I said that. I merely offered you the numerical figures for what cancer treatment costs for the uninsured and asked if you could afford it. Most people couldn’t. > [@](#): > > I saw people explain that they can’t get insurance due to pre-existing conditions, so that doesn’t answer it. I saw people say that a private policy would cost them $X, but no reasons why they can’t afford it, other than unemployment. Because it would eat up half their take home pay for the month? It’s fucking expensive, and maybe they want to eat, or pay the rent instead. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1559 "2009-07-25T05:34:04Z")
Oh, and lest you think I am ignoring you, I’m off to bed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1560 "2009-07-25T05:39:22Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I support income tax, and I’m paying more this year than I ever have in my life. And if next year it goes up a bit to pay for stuff like UHC and paying down the deficit, I’m fine with that too. Well, that’s strange, to me. Any chance you can pay taxes for me, since you’re so inclined ? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=79)