# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1641 "2009-07-26T01:34:56Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake - looks like it’s time for Mt. Curlcoat to erupt again… ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1642 "2009-07-26T01:39:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Ha! Can’t take the heat, so you remind me that I said I wouldn’t bash your dumb fat ass anymore. Well, I reserve the right to answer your inanity at the time and place of my choosing. Live in fear, Rubystreak, I may be just around the corner! Can’t take the heat? YOU were the one who said YOU were done with ME, but then couldn’t shut your mouth. OK, so you’re not done with me. You are fascinated by me and my wide ass. You must enjoy having your ass handed to you by stupid fucking bitches. Keep it coming, you’re amusing me, douchebag. Your credibility around here is in negative numbers as it is. All you can do is lie, contradict yourself, and spew insults. Your mama sure has a lot to be proud of. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1643 "2009-07-26T01:40:43Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > If I may make a little suggestion, you may want to clarify when you’re using _your_ meaning of a word or phrase vs. generally accepted meanings. Just a thought. May make it easier on you. Won’t need to go taking offense whenever someone demonstrates an inability to read your mind and all. And which word or phrase am I using my meaning of v. the generally accpepted meaning? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1644 "2009-07-26T01:42:52Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > Your credibility around here is in negative numbers as it is. Of which I am proud. Now go eat your twelfth box of twinkies for the day. It’s OK that your husband won’t fuck you anymore, as long as you have that delicious creamy center. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1645 "2009-07-26T01:45:26Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Of which I am proud. > > Now go eat your twelfth box of twinkies for the day. It’s OK that your husband won’t fuck you anymore, as long as you have that delicious creamy center. You kiss your mother with that mouth? Anyone who disagrees with you and proves you wrong must be… fat? Wow, I think Zoe was right after all. You aren’t a tax attorney, you’re a 7th grade boy. And you’re cracking both me and my husband up. Keep it coming, maybe I’ll leave you a tip, denoting your value to society. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1646 "2009-07-26T01:49:31Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’m sorry, I am not goofing off at work, with unlimited time during the day to answer posts. :rolleyes: No, you’re sitting at home, collecting your government check. Way to address the issue. Try again… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1647 "2009-07-26T01:52:38Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Right - and under a UHC _everybody pays taxes_ to support the system. It can even be engineered so that even if someone doesn’t pay _income_ tax they still have a FICA-like tax on their earnings they can’t get out of. So, you don’t understand the difference between an insurance policy where everyone pays essentially the same thing, and a tax based on income? Do you not get that _someone_ is going to have to pay more to make up for all of those who cannot pay enough? > [@](#): > > (originally posted by me - Yeah, but at least they are paying premiums. And the insurance companies do try to weed some of them out.) > > In other words: **curlcoat** believes no one but her pays taxes, and that it’s OK to dump the chronically sick and/or poor out in the cold without medical care because… well, because she doesn’t care about pain and suffering that isn’t hers. Uh, how in the world did you get that from what I said? Are you just so blindly determined to “stick it” to anyone better off than you that you just babble out shit that has nothing to do with the discussion? > [@](#): > > I am currently enrolled in a medical plan subsidized by the state of Indiana because of my low income. I was required to document my income, which documentation ran to 28 pages (in part because I had held multiple jobs that year - I’m told that most people don’t require quite that much paper). Have you noticed that the state of Indiana isn’t running the whole country? That some states do a much better job administering things than others, or than the feds do? \<\\> > [@](#): > > I used to work in the industry. Yes, that practice exists, and has existed for years. No, it’s NOT illegal. Then I do not believe that you worked in the insurance industry at all. It is highly illegal to have claims processors/examiners who are employed to only deny any and all claims that cross their desks. The government jumps all over any insurance company that denies _a_ claim incorrectly, much less have people that do it _routinely_. > [@](#): > > If you have a UHC that sort of thing _CAN NOT_ happen. It _can’t_ - because EVERY doctor under UHC is “in network”. Please look up the definition of _“universal”_. Well, that isn’t the plan that is currently in Senate and I hope to God that we never get forced to participate in such a thing. (You do realize that the word “universal” could be defining the fact that everyone is covered, and not that all doctors are forced to take all such insured patients?) \<\\> > [@](#): > > Equally clearly, our current system WON’T fix that, otherwise it would have already. Even more that has little to do with what I posted, but I will point out that it is not necessary to rip the whole healthcare system apart in order to fix the few things that are wrong with it. > [@](#): > > Perhaps it is incomprehensible to you, but normal people don’t enjoy medical procedures at all, even when paid for by someone else. “Let’s spend money” is not a motivation for normal people when faced with a medical crisis. Huh. Was it you or **tumbleddown** who was saying I was a masochist for not paying out of pocket for things that could make me more comfortable but cost more than I am willing to pay? Anyway… “Normal people” don’t appear to consider money at all when faced with a medical crisis. Either they are frantic to get their own symptoms to stop, or frantic to save a loved one’s life or stop their pain. > [@](#): > > Ah-hah! You ADMIT it can happen!!! Again - I have never said that I think that all people who cannot afford insurance or end up in bankruptcy were irresponsible. The fact seems to be that nobody knows how many are or are not irresponsible and I think it is high time that we find out. If nothing else, look what happened recently when irresponsible people were allowed to buy and sell houses… ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1648 "2009-07-26T01:55:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The Man From Butt Muncha > > _To reach…the unreachable star! > To teach…the unteachable Stream! > No matter how gormless, no matter how 'tard!_ > _This is our QUEST…(damn, that last note is high!)…QUEST!._…(oh, fuck it, bring in a tenor.) What value does **Guin** provide to society? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1649 "2009-07-26T01:57:37Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > And which word or phrase am I using my meaning of v. the generally accpepted meaning? Who gives a shit about hermeneutic minutiae when your [argument](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic)) is worthless? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1650 "2009-07-26T01:59:45Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > It is highly illegal to have claims processors/examiners who are employed to only deny any and all claims that cross their desks. The government jumps all over any insurance company that denies _a_ claim incorrectly, much less have people that do it _routinely_. Did you not bother to look at the cites I gave earlier – of sworn testimony before Congress – that says you are wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1651 "2009-07-26T02:05:34Z")
[http://www.thenationalcoalition.org/DrPeenotestimony.html](http://www.thenationalcoalition.org/DrPeenotestimony.html) > [@](#): > > MANAGED CARE ETHICS: THE CLOSE VIEW > PREPARED FOR U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > COMMITTEE ON COMMERCE > SUBCOMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND ENVIRONMENT > MICHAEL BILIRAKIS, CHAIR > > [etc.] > > \ > > In the spring of 1987, as a physician, I caused the death of a man. > > Although this was known to many people, I have not been taken before any court of law or called to account for this in any professional or public forum. In fact, just the opposite occurred: I was “rewarded” for this. It bought me an improved reputation in my job, and contributed to my advancement afterwards. Not only did I demonstrate I could indeed do what was expected of me, I exemplified the “good” company doctor: I saved a half million dollars! > > \ > > I had a common task: using my medical expertise for the financial benefit of the organization, often at great harm and potentially death, to some patients. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1652 "2009-07-26T02:06:31Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > No, I am quite serious. Why should I care if your taxes go up? When did I ask you to care? [QUOTE=Shot From Guns] What if you’d invested it with Madoff? 0% of $90,000 is $0. [/QUOTE] I don’t invest in anything speculative. > [@](#): > > Do you even understand the concept of a safety net? Yup! That is what I am trying to protect from you all. [QUOTE=Broomstick] Back in the day there was no way to know before he was born that he would have any sort of problem at all. How do you prepare for something you can’t see coming? Oh, yes… savings, insurance… well, the Marines gave them health insurance, but I fail to see how you could possibly expect a young couple in their early 20’s to have saved enough money to cover the lifetime care of someone with a severe disability. [/QUOTE] In the at least 18 years of his life, his parents couldn’t have set up _anything_ that would provide him an income to help deal with his medical bills? > [@](#): > > Oh, yes - the above example was about my husband, not about me Even when it is a story about your husband, it’s still all about you. However, my point was that you responded to something I said about people in general with a rant about your husband, as if his (your) situation is universal. Or all important, whichever you prefer. The rest of your post was still just more of the same old stupid thing. [QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] You didn’t put in $90,000, or anywhere close to it, even if you were making $100,000 a year. You may have put that much into Social Security en toto, but I doubt it. [/QUOTE] Uh, that amount _was_ a guestimate for what I’d put in en toto. If you are good with those sorts of numbers, you can submit whatever amount you think I put in over 35+ years of working at least one job. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1653 "2009-07-26T02:14:20Z")
RAND Rover and a few others think they are safe and snug in the bosom of the health companies. They have great coverage and great contracts. But meanwhile the companies are data mining their little computers to death. Every over the counter drug you buy with a credit card goes into your file, every doctors visit, every prescription drug. When you finally have a need and they may have to pay for care, they will do their best to deny you. They will claim a pre-existing condition or that you were dishonest when you signed up. They will try their best to find a way to screw you over. If that is the kind of health system you like, good for you. But, I think it is a disgusting capitalistic aberration that should be dismantled. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1654 "2009-07-26T02:19:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I don’t invest in anything speculative. I know I already conceded “victory” to you, but this is too fucking stupid of a statement to stand unchallenged in its awesome retardedness. _Anything_ you buy for future use entails a degree of speculation as to its future value. Real estate, T-bills, Krugerands - even that gallon of fucking milk you don’t finish today - the acquisition of _any_ of them involves an element of risk that their future value will be less than it is at present. You are the most aggressively stupid entity I’ve yet encountered on these boards. And I remember **VCO3**. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1655 "2009-07-26T02:19:55Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No one has posted what the interest on $90,000 would be, so I don’t know how long I would have to live to take out all of the money I put in. Google “interest calculator” and you will find many tools to do this for you. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1656 "2009-07-26T02:29:40Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Since I wasn’t given the opportunity to go to college Why didn’t you MAKE the opportunity for yourself? There are a number of ways to get assistance to go to college - one that might have appealed to you is “work/study” which helps you pay as you go (I did this to pay for part of my college). Or take out a loan - many view this as an investment in themselves and pay the borrowed money back. My sister who is in very bad financial straits worked out a situation with her current college where they cover her tuition and fees and she teaches some undergraduate classes for a small salary. It’s just barely enough to live on, but in a couple years she’d have a master’s and (hopefully) be more employable. > [@](#): > > can you tell me how much a month the government expects you to pay on those loans? Few student loans come from the government - they are loans made through a bank. Unless it’s changed in the the 25 years since I paid mine off. > [@](#): > > (I take it that the parents couldn’t be bothered to have a college fund) If the parents are irresponsible why _shouldn’t_ we give a little help to the kids? Or should we just let the ignorance and poverty continue another generation? The _point_ of student loans is to enable people to go to college, then pay it back when they’re more educated and more productive. _Usually_ this works out pretty well for all concerned. > [@](#): > > OK, this has to win some award for stupid. Are there any jobs out there (legal ones) where one can avoid paying taxes to the feds? I thought not. Actually… yes. If you have a job that pays under a certain amount per year you are not \*required \*to file a tax return. It would have to be a pretty low income situation, and probably short term as well. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1657 "2009-07-26T02:33:30Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > It’s apparent to me from the way you continue to assert that _most_ people who need assistance are just selfish, lazy, irresponsible people who brought their hardship on themselves, even after it’s been shown to you that this _is not true_. Stats show that most families in the US have little to no savings and high debt to income ratio, which means that they are just one problem away from disaster. What are they spending their money on that they have no savings and all this debt? _That_ is what I have been asking all along, and I have a feeling that the answer is something you all don’t want to look at too closely. All of this violence towards someone who asks questions has got to be a smoke screen for something. [QUOTE=The Tooth] I don’t get the impression people in this thread are too concerned with what makes you happy. After reading what you have to say, your unhappiness would be a side benefit of healthcare reform. [/QUOTE] Well aren’t you just a ray of sunshine. Anyway, the first wave of freakout revolved about how could I possibly not want to throw more money into government handouts, which is what that was a response to. > [@](#): > > You do? I’d like to see where this right is codified. Chapter and verse, if you please. I think you’re confusing what you think you deserve with an actual right. This is in response to those who think that access to healthcare on demand is a right. You might want to, I dunno, read the thread? > [@](#): > > Ah. Your post is your cite. I see that phrase bandied about a lot, and it’s not often complimentary. Don’t be stupid. What I said was if anyone wants to ask me those same dumb questions, they can just go back and read that post. I didn’t say anything that needed a cite. [QUOTE=woodstockbirdybird] Retard: he’s saying that you’re already paying taxes for the shiftless hordes of welfare mothers to use the freeways, water, and energy, which you don’t seem to have a problem with, but when it comes to UHC, suddenly it’s a whole different concept in your opinion. [/QUOTE] Retard: I have said plenty of times that I am already paying for enough government handouts and I _do_ have a problem with that, which is why I am against a UHC, the next in a string of freebies. [QUOTE=Shot From Guns] For an idle housewife she sure doesn’t get much done in a day. [/QUOTE] Uh, dummy? If I don’t have the time to be posting here that you all have, don’t you think that might be an indication that I am getting things done _other_ than wasting time on the internet? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1658 "2009-07-26T02:37:55Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Uh, dummy? If I don’t have the time to be posting here that you all have, don’t you think that might be an indication that I am getting things done _other_ than wasting time on the internet? I didn’t realize the Bingo parlors were open this late. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1659 "2009-07-26T02:42:13Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > And which word or phrase am I using my meaning of v. the generally accpepted meaning? Oh no. Ignore me for a whole page then come back expecting me to answer? I think not. I’ve far too much pride and dignity to be treated thusly (though considering we’re talking about being treated thusly on the internet, that still ain’t much). Or to put it more coyly: If you have to ask, you’ll never know. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1660 "2009-07-26T02:43:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > So, you don’t understand the difference between an insurance policy where everyone pays essentially the same thing, and a tax based on income? Do you not get that _someone_ is going to have to pay more to make up for all of those who cannot pay enough? Yes, I understand that some will pay more than others for the same service. You know, a handicapped person in this area rides the bus for half the price I do, even though hauling their ass around costs at least as much as hauling mine around does. For the really badly disabled there is, essentially, a door-to-door taxi service that on a per-ride basis costs far more than my bus or train fare, yet the pay mo more than half what I would for a bus ride, and in some cases nothing at all. And I don’t have a problem with that. At all. Likewise, in any health coverage system some will pay in more than they take out, and some will take out more than they pay in. I don’t have a problem with that, as I find the alternatives morally intolerable. > [@](#): > > Have you noticed that the state of Indiana isn’t running the whole country? Yes. And your point is…? > [@](#): > > That some states do a much better job administering things than others, or than the feds do? Actually, from the sound of your whine it seems even the Feds do a better job than California does right now. > [@](#): > > Then I do not believe that you worked in the insurance industry at all. It is highly illegal to have claims processors/examiners who are employed to only deny any and all claims that cross their desks. The government jumps all over any insurance company that denies _a_ claim incorrectly, much less have people that do it _routinely_. No, you dumb stain on the sidewalk of society, they don’t deny ALL claims. They do whatever they can to find a _way_ to deny a claim. They can’t avoid all claims, but they certainly WILL skirt the narrow edge of what’s legal to find a way out of paying, and there are ample instances where they slide over the line. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=82) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=84)