# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1741 "2009-07-27T16:01:22Z")
[Health Insurance “Innovation” – The Baseline Scenario](http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/27/health-insurance-innovation/) It is called rescission. The health companies will use whatever they can scrape up to escape paying. If you think heath companies should be trying to find ways to escape paying, after collecting premiums for years raise your hand. On one hand we have health companies that are cheating their customers out of contracted coverage and we have a comparatively poor health system On the other hand Bricker and a few other think they are assured of great coverage. I guess that would be a wash. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1742 "2009-07-27T16:29:53Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Which has nothing to do with what I said, which is there is an attitude in this country that we don’t need to be responsible for ourselves. One of the signs of this is the lack of savings by a majority of US citizens. Hardly. It’s just as likely to be a sign that wages are low relative to the cost of living, leaving a majority of workers with no money left over after paying for necessities. > [@curlcoat](#): > > Of course, if we both ended up with some sort of high dollar medcal emergency at the same time and maxed out our medical insurance, right after our house burned down (yeah, right…) Yes, right. Let’s say you were _in_ the house when it burned. You’d very likely be facing a lengthy hospitalization, reconstructive surgery (not cosmetic to make you look good, but lifesaving to put skin where you need it), and perhaps physical therapy. > [@curlcoat](#): > > So, not a real job. You are talking about things like babysitting or teens picking berries (if they still do that), right? “Not a real job?” Tell that to people who make a living picking crops and doing other seasonal work (no, they’re not all here illegally). How do you define a “real” job? > [@curlcoat](#): > > I wasn’t demanding that anybody pay my way on anything, which is why I didn’t have time/money to go to college. Please. Plenty of people - plenty of _women_ - have worked their way through college or managed it with scholarships and/or loans (which they paid back). It sounds to me as though going to college wasn’t sufficiently important to you at the time, rather than being simply unattainable. > [@curlcoat](#): > > If you honestly believe that it is legal for an insurance company (other than Medicare) to flat deny something that is covered in the policy, you are going to have to provide some sort of proof. If there isn’t a law making something illegal, it’s legal. Can you provide a cite that shows that such denials are explicitly illegal? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1743 "2009-07-27T16:32:21Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’m so glad discussion has moved from how incredibly rich curlcoat is to how incredibly disadvantaged she is. I found it to be extremely interesting. We saw a reversal from “I have it made because I’m better and smarter than everyone else” to a “I’m messed up and need all the ‘stuff’ that I already claimed no one should be entitled to (except for me)”. That tells me all I need to know. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1744 "2009-07-27T17:03:16Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Ah, perhaps this is the problem. Do you think it is a common belief that parents should not prepare their children to succeed in life, both thru finances such as college funds, and teaching things like budgeting and delayed gratification? That even tho it was the parents’ choice to create this new human, they don’t have any responsibility to try to ensure said new human will not become a burden on society? Isn’t the lesson better taught by NOT providing for your child’s every possible want and need? For example, my parents paid for my college tuition, books, and rent. Food and utilities and phone bills and clothing were my responsibility. Once I was in law school, I was required to pay for everything. And you know what? I did it, because I knew I had to, even though my parents certainly COULD have paid for everything. So that taught me budgeting, and delayed gratification, and how to succeed in life–and did it much better than it would have had they paid for everything. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1745 "2009-07-27T17:58:28Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, I didn’t get it because you couldn’t be bothered to specify. All you said was he was born with spina bifida and of course his parents couldn’t have known it was going to happen (which isn’t really true, but we can ignore that). Indeed? I don’t think I can ignore that. Do you have a citation to offer that MSAFP testing in the fetus and/or mother, and fetal ultrasound, were commonly done or even available around the time Broomstick’s husband was born? My info from: McClatchey, Kenneth D. _Clinical Laboratory Medicine_, Lippincott, Williams, and Wilkins; Second Edition, 2002, page. 640 …says that “95% of infants with spina bifida are born to couples with no family history. … Prior to the availability of MSAFP screening, only patients with a positive familiy history of spina bifida were offered prenatal diagnosis. … MSAFP test kits were released in the United States in 1983.” As far as ultrasound goes, it’s been around for longer, but 1) it’s not highly effective (or was not in the early days) for detecting spina bifida, and 2) it was not commonly used on fetuses until the 1980’s. The first reference I can find of any use outside of a laboratory on fetuses is: Bishop, E. H. “The Doppler ultrasonic motion sensor.” _Obstetrics and Gynecology_ 28 (1966):712-713. A bit after Broomstick’s husband was born. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1746 "2009-07-27T18:19:33Z")
Jesus, is curlcoat ever right? What a silly bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1747 "2009-07-27T18:33:37Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Damn, I’ve been doing other stuff over the weekend and saw that curlcoat attempted to justify her taking more out of social security than she put in whilst simultaneously pouring scorn on those that need any form of social assistance. > > Damn, that could have got got quite funny, but I feel I am somehow past the point of getting in to it and, let’s face it, I’d probably get a reply from her on Thursday at the earliest. > > Oh well. > > I guess it is best that I stop trying to discuss stuff with an obvious troll anyway. She’s a double-fisted sponge. Her poor husband…I’ll be he’s lookin’ for a back door. ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1748 "2009-07-27T18:53:42Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I found it to be extremely interesting. We saw a reversal from “I have it made because I’m better and smarter than everyone else” to a “I’m messed up and need all the ‘stuff’ that I already claimed no one should be entitled to (except for me)”. Not only that, but the explanations for why she couldn’t afford to go to college (which she expects us to accept) are the same as those for why people can’t afford insurance or healthcare (which she rejects ). In all seriousness, this discussion would have been a lot cleaner if curlcoat would have stated her opinons clearly in the beginning, instead of spreading them out over 25 pages, buried in with a bunch of wharrrgarbl. Such as “I’m opposed to UHC because I see it as an extension of social programs which I already oppose”. Then she could have elaborated as to why she opposes existing social programs. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1749 "2009-07-27T21:19:09Z")
> [@NinetyWt](#): > > In all seriousness, this discussion would have been a lot cleaner if curlcoat would have stated her opinons clearly in the beginning, instead of spreading them out over 25 pages, buried in with a bunch of wharrrgarbl.. I found the problem. She’s an evil Murloc. wharrrgarbl mrglmrglgrglmrgl :eek: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1750 "2009-07-27T22:25:44Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I found the problem. She’s an evil Murloc. > > wharrrgarbl mrglmrglgrglmrgl :eek: That would explain the irrational rage I feel when I read her posts… ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1751 "2009-07-27T22:32:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > That would explain the irrational rage I feel when I read her posts… Irrational??? Rage strikes me as the only rational response. ---
**Author:** ![Nation](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@Nation](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nation)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1752 "2009-07-27T22:57:17Z")
seems like the majority of people around here are whacked out liberal socialist moonbats that want the gov’t to run every aspect of their lives, want people who went school and got a good paying job to pay for the ones who sit on their asses all day, or work at wal-mart, or the corner 7-11. you know the ones who sit and smoke all day long and bitch about how bad everything is, but too stupid and lazy to do anything about it themselves. its pathetic whats happening to this country. we have drowned ourselves with the stupid, idiotic, pussified, ridiculous, moronic political correctness horseshit and we’re soooooooooo afraid of “offending” someone we go to any lengths to prevent it, and attack anyone who makes someone blush. its pathetic and embarassing whats happened to us. The rest of the goddamn world is laughing their fucking asses off at us right now for what we have turned into. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1753 "2009-07-27T22:59:32Z")
> [@Nation](#): > > The rest of the goddamn world is laughing their fucking asses off at us right now for what we have turned into. If you were literate enough to read and comprehend a real news source, you’d understand that this is true, but not for the reasons you think it is. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1754 "2009-07-27T23:05:12Z")
> [@Nation](#): > > The rest of the goddamn world is laughing their fucking asses off at us right now for what we have turned into. When the rest of the world laughs at America, it’s mainly illiterate, stupid assholes like you that they’re laughing at. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1755 "2009-07-27T23:08:09Z")
> [@Nation](#): > > seems like the majority of people around here are whacked out liberal socialist moonbats that want the gov’t to run every aspect of their lives, want people who went school and got a good paying job to pay for the ones who sit on their asses all day, or work at wal-mart, or the corner 7-11. you know the ones who sit and smoke all day long and bitch about how bad everything is, but too stupid and lazy to do anything about it themselves. Interesting how you lump Walmart workers and 7-11 in with people who sit on their asses all day. Ever heard the saying “the world needs ditch diggers too”? Well, it’s true. If you reap the benefits of their labor while sneering at them for not making as much money as you, then you are an arrogant asshole. Ever work retail? It’s hard work. Fuck you, sir, for looking upon retail workers as subhuman. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1756 "2009-07-27T23:21:32Z")
> [@Nation](#): > > seems like the majority of people around here are whacked out liberal socialist moonbats that want the gov’t to run every aspect of their lives, want people who went school and got a good paying job to pay for the ones who sit on their asses all day, or work at wal-mart, or the corner 7-11. you know the ones who sit and smoke all day long and bitch about how bad everything is, but too stupid and lazy to do anything about it themselves. > > its pathetic whats happening to this country. we have drowned ourselves with the stupid, idiotic, pussified, ridiculous, moronic political correctness horseshit and we’re soooooooooo afraid of “offending” someone we go to any lengths to prevent it, and attack anyone who makes someone blush. > > its pathetic and embarassing whats happened to us. The rest of the goddamn world is laughing their fucking asses off at us right now for what we have turned into. I respect you and your views on unecessary capitalization of letters. Don’t let the man keep you down. If you happen to be the man, don’t beat yourself up. Yours truly, Whacked out Liberal Socialist Moonbat ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1757 "2009-07-27T23:23:05Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I found the problem. She’s an evil Murloc. > > wharrrgarbl mrglmrglgrglmrgl :eek: Isn’t “evil murloc” redundant? Like “annoying foot fungus”? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1758 "2009-07-27T23:38:01Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Isn’t “evil murloc” redundant? Like “annoying foot fungus”? There are neutral murlocs in Borean Tundra. And they have the cutest goddamn babies in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1759 "2009-07-27T23:53:42Z")
> [@Nation](#): > > seems like the majority of people around here are whacked out liberal socialist moonbats that want the gov’t to run every aspect of their lives, want people who went school and got a good paying job to pay for the ones who sit on their asses all day, or work at wal-mart, or the corner 7-11. you know the ones who sit and smoke all day long and bitch about how bad everything is, but too stupid and lazy to do anything about it themselves. We outnumber you 10 to 1, Grampaw. Just what are you going to do about it? Who’s the pussy now, pussy? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1760 "2009-07-28T00:34:49Z")
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